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masa 5th December 2008 07:05 PM

[romaji and translation] Days
 
Nanigenaku kawashite ru kotoba no hitotsuhitotsu ga
Boku ni totte wa totemo daiji na takaramono
Dakedo jibun de mo nandaka hazukashii kurai da kara
Kimi ga shitta ra kitto waraware chau darou

* Ai taku te ai taku te
Semete koe ga kiki taku te
You mo naku denwa shi tari

Kimi ga iru sore dake de
Kokoro ga totemo atatakaku naru
Boku no negai wa tatta hitotsu dake
Sou konna fuu ni itsu made mo
Kimi o suki na mama de ite ii desu ka

Taisetsu na hito ga iru koto wa mou zutto mae kara
Shitte iru yo datte egao ga katatte ru

Setsunaku te setsunaku te
Mune ga gyu tto naru yoru mo
Tashika ni ne aru keredo

** Kimi o omou sore dake de
Kokoro wa ikiru imi o motsu kara
Nanika o motomete ru wake ja naku te
Tada konna fuu ni itsu made mo
Kimi o suki na boku de ite ii desu ka

* (repeat)

Kimi ga iru sore dake de
Kokoro ga totemo atatakaku naru
Boku no negai wa tatta hitotsu dake
Kimi o suki na mama de i sasete

** (repeat)
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Each word you casually exchange with me
Is such a precious treasure to me
But I myself feel a bit embarrassed about this
So if you knew, you would surely laugh at me

* I want to see you, I want to see you
I want to hear your voice at least
And I sometimes call you with no special reason

My heart becomes so warm
Just because you are around me
I have only one wish
Can I stay loving you forever
Just like this?

I've known for a long time that you have someone precious
Because it's clear from your smile

Though it's true I spend some nights
Feeling so sad, so sad
And feeling a tightening in my chest

** If I just think of you
My heart has the meaning to live
I expect nothing special from you
Can I stay loving you forever
Just like this?

* (repeat)

My heart becomes so warm
Just because you are around me
I have only one wish
Please let me keep on loving you

** (repeat)

jkm444 5th December 2008 07:13 PM

thanks for the translation!!

Diana 5th December 2008 07:13 PM

THANX!! It was about time :P Hehe, joking.

Aderianu 5th December 2008 07:20 PM

very beautiful... thanks, masa

waterballoon 5th December 2008 07:23 PM

Thank you! But may I tweak some of the spelling/grammar stuff for you?

Okay, like "Is so precious treasure to me" sounds better if it was "Is like a precious treasure to me"

"I have just one and only wish" well I think "I have just one and only one wish", would sound better?

"I've known for a long time that you have presicous one" I believed you meant precious... haha.

But still, THANK YOU SO MUCH masa for the translation!!! The verses are just so cute... relate-able... omg Days is like my instant favorite now!

Gkone01 5th December 2008 07:38 PM

Thanks

CeReSu 5th December 2008 07:44 PM

Thanks!
Lyrics is so beautiful!

milky_way 5th December 2008 07:45 PM

Thanks, masa :D

jon_the_d 5th December 2008 07:52 PM

Thanks masa, I've been eagerly anticipating your translation!!

Miltonic 5th December 2008 07:52 PM

Thanks a lot :)

The lyrics are great.

BluishDays 5th December 2008 07:58 PM

Thanks for the translation masa <3 The songs beautiful ^_^

When I first heard the preview, I thought it was okay, but after hearing the song in full and reading the lyrics it's beautiful *^O^*

Thanks again masa <3

TOBEAYU 5th December 2008 08:11 PM

Thank you so much masa!!!
This lyrics are beautiful and a little sad :(

xLuna&1LOVE 5th December 2008 08:19 PM

Thanks Masa! I love the translation!
It's soo emotionally!
I LOVE IT! THANK YOU!

Raleigh 5th December 2008 08:21 PM

Aww.. those are touching lyrics

apple-pi 5th December 2008 08:35 PM

Thank you so much for the translation!
I thought the song was just about missing someone, but apparently there is a "one-sided love" feeling to go with the PV! interesting~

Handjan 5th December 2008 08:36 PM

Thank you for translating masa.
Days are so beautiful and touching.

Chibi_Venus 5th December 2008 08:37 PM

I'm absolutely in love with these lyrics. No joke, they totally describe my (love) life right now. I'm not exaggerating and I'm not, like, "Oh, Ayu's lyrics = my life!" They totally do match.

Thank you so much, masa!

Delirium-Zer0 5th December 2008 08:53 PM

Thanks so much masa! It's like a sweeter, less upset version of "is this LOVE?". I like it.

Here's your translation with some grammar checks ^^

Quote:

Each word you casually exchange with me
Is such a precious treasure to me
But I myself feel a bit embarrassed about it
So you would surely laugh at me, if you knew it

* I want to see you, I want to see you
I want to hear your voice at least
And I sometimes call you with no special reason

My heart becomes so warm
Just because you are around me
I have just one and only one wish
Can I stay loving you forever
Just like this?

I've known for a long time that you have a precious person
Because your smiling face is telling of it

Though it's true I spend some nights
Feeling so sad
And feeling a tightening in my chest

** My heart has the meaning to live
If I just think of you
I expect nothing special from you
Can I stay loving you forever
Just like this?

* (repeat)

My heart becomes so warm
Just because you are around me
I have just one and only one wish
Please let me keep on loving you

** (repeat)

MissElin_ 5th December 2008 09:30 PM

Thank you thank you thaaaank you! :D:D:D

Melrose 5th December 2008 09:56 PM

Quote:

Though it's true I spend some nights
Feeling so sad
And feeling a tightning in my chest
You should change that to include the repeteated JP words for painfully/whatever, so it starts with that and twice.

xLitax 5th December 2008 10:00 PM

Thank you so much!!!

ren0210989 5th December 2008 10:32 PM

thank you!!!!
i love it^^

jon_the_d 5th December 2008 10:42 PM

I'm with Melrose, I like the english translation to match up with the japanese as much as possible, including what she sings at certain points.

Obviously it has to make sense in English too, and some things which don;t translate easily I'll fiddle with a bit, but key words and key ideas need to match with when they are sung in the song.

Here's my preferred translation, using masa's as a base, but fiddling and comparing with other translations, and doing certain bits my own way.

Quote:

Each word you casually exchange with me
Is a precious treasure to me
But I myself feel a bit embarrassed about it
So if you knew, you would surely laugh at me

I want to see you, I want to see you
I want to at least hear your voice
I'll call you for no other reason

Just because you are here
My heart becomes so warm
I have only one wish
Yes, in this way, forever,
I want to love you this much, would that be okay?
You have someone precious, I've known for a long time
It's clear from your smile

so painful, so painful
feeling a tightening in my chest
It's true I've had such nights

Just by thinking of you
My heart's existence has meaning
I expect nothing from you
Only, in this way, forever
can I stay as I am, loving you this much, would that be ok?

I want to see you, I want to see you
I want to at least hear your voice
I'll call you for no other reason

Just because you are here
My heart becomes so warm
I have only one wish
Let me keep loving you this much

Just by thinking of you
My heart's existence has meaning
I expect nothing from you
Only, in this way, forever
can I stay as I am, loving you this much, would that be ok?
Let me know what you think!

Kazeyomi 5th December 2008 10:42 PM

Aw these lyrics are really sweet!
Thanks masa for the translation :thanks: (<- cute gif lol)

bluegie 5th December 2008 10:45 PM

Thanks masa and the others :D

Ayu haven't made such straight forward lyrics for a long time. I really love this song... At least I dun see "Boku tachi wa blah blah blah" again.. LOL

pommy48 5th December 2008 11:04 PM

thanks for the translation, the lyrics are so beautiful :bawl

ストロボ・EdGE 6th December 2008 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chibi_Venus (Post 1729396)
I'm absolutely in love with these lyrics. No joke, they totally describe my (love) life right now. I'm not exaggerating and I'm not, like, "Oh, Ayu's lyrics = my life!" They totally do match.

Thank you so much, masa!

Me too... hurray for unrequited love (... / !)

ストロボ・EdGE 6th December 2008 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delirium-Zer0 (Post 1729401)
Thanks so much masa! It's like a sweeter, less upset version of "is this LOVE?". I like it.

Here's your translation with some grammar checks ^^

I don't think so; in "is this LOVE?" ayumi is questioning if she loves a certain person, she's really jealous, and a little pissed off...

In "Days" she seems more positive, she's sure she's in love, she doesn't worry too much if that person doesn't love her back kinda.

Ayu'Kiss 6th December 2008 12:26 AM

thank you so much masa!
the lyrics are soo beautiful

I think a lot of people here feel related to them
includes myself :rolleyes
I'm so loving this song!

jimex289 6th December 2008 01:10 AM

Thanks for the lyrics. I think they really clear the PV up a lot now.

Quote:

You have someone precious, I've known for a long time
It's clear from your smile
That basically explained the whole PV for me.

AyuGAME 6th December 2008 01:10 AM

thank you masa...

emi♡ 6th December 2008 01:30 AM

thank you very much masa, and everyone else who has helped :)

terra 6th December 2008 03:29 AM

Thank You masa, I've been waiting for this!

kirei_ayumi 6th December 2008 03:41 AM

Quote:

Can I stay loving you for ever
Just like this?
love this phrase, it's very touching...
thanks for the translation

Arenia 6th December 2008 04:00 AM

thanks for the translation ^^

freedreamer 6th December 2008 04:23 AM

the lyrics are so sweet...and quite sad...Very one-sided..
THANKS!!!

SURREAL__RAINBOW 6th December 2008 04:38 AM

the first chorus sounds a bit like HANABI *-*

omgg

love it!!


thanks a lot!

ayu_fantasy 6th December 2008 04:44 AM

OMG Thankyou~~!

PoetGirl 6th December 2008 05:58 AM

thnx a lot

Lanz16 6th December 2008 07:46 AM

I love the lyrics.
Its so touching!


Thanks for the translations everyone, I appreciate your efforts to make it clearer! :)

AyumiBest 6th December 2008 07:51 AM

We love Masa! XD Thanks for the translation. ^^

extepan 6th December 2008 08:36 AM

wonderful lyrics as usual!!

keikeiaznqueen 6th December 2008 09:53 AM

Thank you~!

I love these lyrics. They're so beautiful~

nanami606 6th December 2008 12:05 PM

Thank you for the translation, masa! :)

Surreal 6th December 2008 12:21 PM

I wonder who Ayu loves right now~~ hmm~

Emperatriz Ayumi 6th December 2008 12:23 PM

Thanks for the translation! Printing it ^^!!!! I really love the repeat part! Thanks...

Ahi_max91 6th December 2008 12:27 PM

hohoho,thanks 4 this lyrics...^^!~

ayuchloe 6th December 2008 12:31 PM

aww that was sweet!

Melrose 6th December 2008 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jon_the_d (Post 1729475)
I'm with Melrose, I like the english translation to match up with the japanese as much as possible, including what she sings at certain points.

Obviously it has to make sense in English too, and some things which don;t translate easily I'll fiddle with a bit, but key words and key ideas need to match with when they are sung in the song.

Here's my preferred translation, using masa's as a base, but fiddling and comparing with other translations, and doing certain bits my own way.



Let me know what you think!

I think it's muuuuch better. :)

@SURREAL: Why would she have to love someone right now? XD

Beauty4123 6th December 2008 01:57 PM

such sweet lyrics :weep makes me love the song even more than i do now, lol. thanks for the lyrics!

AyUmIXx 6th December 2008 02:06 PM

thx so much for the lyric translation!
the meaning is just so beautiful!
and i cry even more after knowing the meaning of the song!

Zemus 6th December 2008 03:33 PM

Thanks a lot. I love your translations! :)

masa 6th December 2008 03:43 PM

You are welcome.

To: Delirium-Zer0 and jon the d
Thanks for your suggestions. I change several parts as below, taking them.

Is so precious treasure to me --> Is such a precious treasure to me
So you would surely laugh at me, if you knew it --> So if you knew, you would surely laugh at me
you have precious one --> you have someone precious
your smiling face is telling of it --> it's clear from your smile
Feeling so sad --> Feeling so sad, so sad
(I think "painful" is too strong in nuance as the word for "setsunai".)
If only I think of you --> If I just think of you
Please let me stay loving you --> Please let me keep on loving you

And I have a question.
Some people are suggesting "one and only one wish" instead of "one and onle wish". But actually, I've never seen such a way of writing. Is it common among English speaking people now?

~Tsubasa~ 6th December 2008 04:07 PM

I love the lyrics!!!
Thanks for the translation!!!

jon_the_d 6th December 2008 04:46 PM

@Melrose

Thank you! glad you liked it :)

@Masa

I'm glad to see you've taken some of our suggestions,

I wasn't happy with "painful" either, but couldn't think what else to put there to repeat....I nearly went with "sorrowful".... The way you have it now is quite good.

as for your question, "one and only one" is a way to emphasise that there is only one of something, but I don't like how it goes in the song, it's the kind of phrase politicians and public speakers might use for emphasis and dramatic effect....does not suit the song.

also though, "one and only" (without the second 'one') is only used as an adjective. It is used for emphasis, but wherever it is used should also make sense if you used either "one" (on its own) or "only" (on its own)

e.g.
My one chance
My only chance
My one and only chance.

The one person I trust
The only person I trust
The one and only person I trust.

^these are all ok.

I have one wish
I have only wish
I have one and only wish

^This doesn't work.

In fact the use of the word "one" in the first two examples is different to it's normal counting function. Used in this way it is an adjective to signify something is unique, to indicate that there is no other person or thing that could be being referred to. It is therefore interchangeable with "only" in these sentences.

The phrase "one and only" therefore uses this meaning and doubles it for emphasis.

Some more examples where it is ok to use "one and only"
. e.g My one and only love, Your one and only chance, His one and only mistake, He is the one and only person whom I still trust.

I hope this helped!

I'm not great at explaining grammar...

[EDIT:]
I found a link detailing this meaning and usage of the word "one"; one

waterballoon 6th December 2008 04:53 PM

^ But still it was clear! Hahaha

AyUta 6th December 2008 05:19 PM

Aw, the lyrics are very touching. So straightforward this time around.

masa 6th December 2008 05:36 PM

To: jon the d

Thanks for your explanation. I didn't know that.
So how about "I have just one wish", simply?

And as for the word, "setsunai", I think it's one of the Japanese words that is so hard to be translated into English. The meaning is "sad", but with sweet and beautiful nuance. So it's not a negative word at all, and indeed, Japanese people like this word very much. For example, we say "Kono uta, totemo setsunaku te suki." (I like this song, because it's so setsunai.) Maybe there would be no English word just fit to this word.

ImpactBreaker 6th December 2008 06:24 PM

^Couldn't it be like: "I have only one wish" ? It would work fine in my opinion.

Also masa, on the last sentence there's a small mistake:

"Please let me I keep on loving you"

Just to remove the "I" there. And the "for ever" should be joined together to "forever".


Thanks a lot for the translations masa. These lyrics are so to the point. I don't remember ayu being so objective/direct in her lyrics like this.

Purple Neko 6th December 2008 06:30 PM

those are great lyrics! soo sad though ;_;

Yoake 6th December 2008 06:34 PM

I love very much this lyrics^^

jon_the_d 6th December 2008 06:34 PM

masa,

"I have just one wish" is fine, I went with "I have only one wish"...

Thanks for explaining setsunai, I know the feeling you are describing, but can't find a good word for it in english, as you said...

most english words meaning sad have a negative connotation, as no-one likes being sad...?
Doesn't mean we can't like sad songs or movies though...and some people like them because the sadness shows the romance of the story....

So in the song, when she is saying setsunaku te, is she happy that she was? or miserable that she was? or kind of a combination? (happy that she loves him enough to be so sad....?)

sorry for being a pain!!

BoBo 6th December 2008 07:22 PM

10x for the translation :)

masa 6th December 2008 07:24 PM

Thanks, ImpactBreaker.
I corrected my mistake and changed these parts.
for ever --> forever
I have just one and only wish --> I have only one wish

Also, I changed the line order of this part.
If I just think of you
My heart has the meaning to live

>So in the song, when she is saying setsunaku te, is she happy that she was? or miserable that she was? or kind of a combination?
She is neither happy nor miserable. She is sad. But this includes a kind of intimate feeling. Hard to explain. I think "kanashii" is the word just corresponding to "sad" .

waterballoon 7th December 2008 07:49 AM

I wonder if 'setsunai' can be translated to bittersweet?

jon_the_d 7th December 2008 09:02 AM

possibly....it may be the best translation so far.....

although...in Days...where is the sweetness she's feeling?

masa? any thoughts?

masa 7th December 2008 10:18 AM

Setsunaku te setsunaku te
Mune ga gyu tto naru yoru mo
Tashika ni ne aru keredo

Supposing this line is "Kanashiku te kanashiku te", she (the narrator) is all depressed and almost in despair. But with "Setsunaku te setsunaku te", she can still expect several things, such as meeting him, talking with him and staying together with him, though her love may not be accepted fully by him. Do you understand?

ImpactBreaker 7th December 2008 10:41 AM

Is she missing him?

Could it be translated as "missing you" or something?

I guess that is a word that doesn't really have a good english equivalent.

ayu_ready? 7th December 2008 10:45 AM

lyrics make me feel so sentimental :)

ImpactBreaker 7th December 2008 10:52 AM

I found this over some website:

Quote:

kanashiku te
悲しくて
setsunaku te
切なくて
tsubasa mo naku te
翼もなくて


I’m sad,
I’m wistful,
but I don’t have the wings to fly.

http://mayumik.seesaa.net/archives/200707-1.html



I guess "wistful" or "wistfully" would be a good word to translate it? It's my first time hearing that word though, since I'm not an english native.

Quote:

wistful

full of yearning or desire tinged with melancholy ; also : inspiring such yearning <a wistful memoir>
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wistful

jon_the_d 7th December 2008 11:08 AM

yeah thanks masa, I think I understand now, just can't find the right expression in english,

"missing" isn't quite right.

so, it's more like, she loves him so much, and gets to spend a lot of time with him, but more as a friend as he doesn't love her back. so she loves being with him, but has this sadness/pain/longing because he doesn't love her back.

It's classic unrequited love....
you want to be with them, but the fact that they don't return your love is a constant source of sadness and pain. But you'd still rather be with them and suffer, than not be with them at all.

I still can't think of a word to capture this kind of feeling....it'd have to be a sentence....:/


EDIT:

Impactbreaker!!!!

I think you've got it. I do know this word, but didn't think of it until you said it! I think it's almost perfect...

BUT, it doesn't go very well into the translation. (FYI, Wistful describes the person who is feeling it, not the situation....you cannot say "this song is wistful"...)

if we used wistfully, wistfully, it might work....but because this word is a bit uncommon, and maybe a little bit flowery and poetic, it sounds a bit strange in the song....

but still, I think it's better than what we have so far.

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masa 7th December 2008 11:29 AM

Well, it might be a good idea to use "miss" in this case.
How about this?

Though it's true I spend some nights
Missing you, missing you
And feeling a tightning in my chest

waterballoon 7th December 2008 01:09 PM

Hahaha 'wistfully' seems to be the most accurate translation for 'setsunakute'! But like what jon_the_d said... it really seems very bombastic and flowery... and I don't really know if missing is an appropriate translation, because in this context, the meaning of 'setsunakute' is exactly what jon_the_d said...

Quote:

so, it's more like, she loves him so much, and gets to spend a lot of time with him, but more as a friend as he doesn't love her back. so she loves being with him, but has this sadness/pain/longing because he doesn't love her back.

It's classic unrequited love....
you want to be with them, but the fact that they don't return your love is a constant source of sadness and pain. But you'd still rather be with them and suffer, than not be with them at all.
Missing doesn't seem to fit that. Although I really agree with the idea of using wistfully...

jon_the_d 7th December 2008 01:20 PM

yeah, I don't think missing conveys the right message at all. and it doesn't even make sense if she does actually get to see him...

also, I'd still insist on having the repetition as the first line of that verse, to match the japanese song, it makes a lot of difference when you're following the song whilst reading the translation. or when the translation is used to sub the video...

it has to match!!!! >.<

Melrose 7th December 2008 01:29 PM

@ ^: Haha, I agree. XD

Hmm, it's better now. ^^

But I'd still change the word order so that "feeling so sad, so sad" matches setsunaku te setsunaku te and not the second line of lyrics. Like jon_the_d says. It only makes it more accurate. ^^

So this:

Though it's true I spend some nights
Feeling so sad, so sad
And feeling a tightning in my chest

>>>

Feeling so sad, so sad
And feeling a tightning in my chest
It's true I spend some nights like that

Or something like that. That word order would match the Japanese lyrics more, don't you think?

Also, where does the "though" come from?

waterballoon 7th December 2008 01:35 PM

You mean like , 'so wistfully, so wistfully'?

ren0210989 7th December 2008 01:36 PM

these lyrics sure are special^^

i don't remember this many lyrics discussion since...well forever xD

Linoa62 7th December 2008 01:50 PM

Can't a synonym be used for wistful? http://www.synonym.com/synonyms/wistful/
Actually "sad" figures here as a synonym for wistful... Translating is such a complicated thing...

masa 7th December 2008 02:04 PM

I looked up "wistful" in a dictionary. But it seems this word doesn't have enough nuance of sad and lonely feeling. I think "miss" is more loyal to "setsunai" than "wistful" in this case.

though = keredo

maikaru 7th December 2008 02:07 PM

setsunai to me has some kind of pain attached.
Like, it's not sad in the sense so depressing, but it's really heavy on your heart.
I dont really cant explain in english...
It's frustrating(?) and sort of painful.
It's like a feeling like you can't do anything about it.
setsunai and natsukashii are often a pair.
Natsukashii is nostalgic feelings.

and kanashii is just plain sad... I dont feel like a pain in it.
Like your heart will explode or so... www
You can say kanashii when someone just takes your lollipop..
Or if the rain is coming down. etc.

setsunai is more.. a hurting feeling in the chest.
At least to me.

Melrose 7th December 2008 02:13 PM

^

Yea I don't like the sound of "wistful" either.

And, ah, okay. I don't get why keredo is there then, though. Because keredo would imply a contradiction, but there isn't one in that verse?

Quote:

setsunai is more.. a hurting feeling in the chest.
At least to me.
Yea. ^^

But masa what do you think about that changing of word order to make it more accurate?

jon_the_d 7th December 2008 02:17 PM

wistful definitely conveys sadness...

and although "miss" might be more faithful to setsunai, it doesn't make much sense in the song.

so...wistful sounds weird in the song, and miss doesn't convey the right feeling...

I'm stumped.

Maybe we should just leave it as setsunaku te, and all learn japanese...:/

to be honest, after looking at this song's lyrics so much, I don't think I'll ever need the translation again..

maikaru 7th December 2008 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Melrose (Post 1731698)
And, ah, okay. I don't get why keredo is there then, though. Because keredo would imply a contradiction, but there isn't one in that verse?

There's two reasons it could be.

the first, is that when we say "keredo" at the end of the sentence..
It implies there's something more, but we dont need to say it.
It's like a humble way of putting down your feelings..
It's like saying, "There were nights that it hurt, it hurt, and I felt a pain in my chest, but... [it's fine,] or [I can move on,]"
Something like that feeling.

the second reason is it could be~ it flows into the second chorus.
"There were nights that it hurt, it hurt, and I felt a pain in my chest, but... just thinking of you, my life has meaning. It doesnt mean Im looking for anything, just is it okay for me to stay the way that I love you??"
Or something like that.

Yeah there's a function for that keredo there.

masa 7th December 2008 02:25 PM

To: Melrose

Without "keredo", I think your idea of changing the line order is good. But with "keredo", it seems difficult to me.

maikaru 7th December 2008 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Melrose (Post 1731698)
But masa what do you think about that changing of word order to make it more accurate?

also about the word change.
Both the lines Setsunakutex2, and Mune ga gyu tto naru
Are both modify "yoru".
So the sentence in english literally says "the nights were painful, painful, and my chest became tight."
Its not really the same lyrics it you say:
"It's painful, it's painful, and theres nights were my chest becomes tight."
It implies that painful is a seperate idea.
But I think in the lyrics, setsunakute is modifying nights. =\

I think the word order is correct with masa.
Sometimes you cannot do it from Japanese to English line for line.
Yeah~~ cause english and japanese are so different. ^^)/
I hope it helps~~

masa 7th December 2008 02:42 PM

An idea hit upon me to explain the word "setsunai" simply.
"Setsunai" is "sad but beautiful" feeling.
For example, we Japanese people often feel "setsunai" when we look at the red sky of sunset in the end of a day.
Another example is this song itself.

Boku no negai wa tatta hitotsu dake

When we come to this melody line, I think many people feel sad but impressed by its beauty. This is just "setsunai" melody line.

maikaru 7th December 2008 02:47 PM

ahhh~~ that one!! ^^) it's better explanation.
夜空が懐かしくて切ないねって思ってんじゃん〜
そんな感じだよね〜〜^^);

Like cicada making a sound in the summer.
It is sometimes painful because you cannot return to the past.
But you can cherish the moments you had in the past.

yeah masa~~ you won that battle!! 。_。);
Yay!!!

So you gotta remember then~ when you read the translation~~
You have to know it's like ... a beautifully painful feeling!!

ren0210989 7th December 2008 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maikaru (Post 1731707)
the second reason is it could be~ it flows into the second chorus.
"There were nights that it hurt, it hurt, and I felt a pain in my chest, but... just thinking of you, my life has meaning. It doesnt mean Im looking for anything, just is it okay for me to stay the way that I love you??"
Or something like that.

Yeah there's a function for that keredo there.

i think you hit the point here very well^^
that's the same thing i was thinking!

@masa: so setsunai is like the feeling where you get very sad, but somehow you're still happy and maybe even wish for more?
it has both nostalgia and bitter-sweet happyness in it. right?

gosh i LOVE that word :heart

yoshino 7th December 2008 02:54 PM

Thanks !!

I love her lyrics!!

ImpactBreaker 7th December 2008 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masa (Post 1731729)
An idea hit upon me to explain the word "setsunai" simply.
"Setsunai" is "sad but beautiful" feeling.
For example, we Japanese people often feel "setsunai" when we look at the red sky of sunset in the end of a day.
Another example is this song itself.

Boku no negai wa tatta hitotsu dake

When we come to this melody line, I think many people feel sad but impressed by its beauty. This is just "setsunai" melody line.

Well, then I guess two words would be necessary to describe it, like "beautiful melancholy".

If it were something about the past, I'd use the wod 'nostalgic" since it's the kind of feeling that feels sad but beautiful at the same time, but it's solely related to past experiences.

There are also the words "yearning" and 'longing' but I don't think they express that much of a sadness.

jon_the_d 7th December 2008 03:27 PM

Ok, now you've been really clear about the exact meaning of the full sentence, I'll still try to fiddle it so the repetition matches....just give me a sec..


on second thoughts, what I initially put in my version keeps "painful" as describing the nights:

"so painful, so painful,
feeling a tightening in my chest,
It's true I've had such nights."

I probably still like my version best :P

although admittedly painful is not the best word... :/

I agree with the idea of two words, but not sure which two....still think there is some hint of pain and suffering....

Melrose 7th December 2008 03:31 PM

^

Hmm, okay.

But keredo is at the end of the verse, right? So if keredo was translated at the end of the verse too, the word order would fit?

Feeling so sad, feeling so sad
And feeling a tightening in my chest
It's true I spend some nights like that, however...

?

Ayu put keredo at the end of the verse, so wouldn't translated it be there too?
(And yes I know about the different word order of Japanese sentences vs English sentences. :))

ImpactBreaker 7th December 2008 03:33 PM

^^the problem is that pain and suffering are 100% bad feelings (unless ayu were a masochist :bchuck), but what masa implied is that it has to be somthing that conveys a bittersweet feeling, that something seems sad but still holds its beauty. I can't think of a exact word that alone conveys such a feeling other than "nostalgia", whic halso includes feelings of missing something, but that's only related to wondering about the past, not admiring something from the present.

Melrose 7th December 2008 03:35 PM

^

Yea I don't think melancholy or nostalgia really fits the lyrics. But then again feeling sad is a 100% bad feeling too. Unless you enjoy being sad.. "so bittersweet, so bittersweet" isn't good?

ren0210989 7th December 2008 03:45 PM

i agree with Melrose that bittersweet might be the best choice here...

since there's no perfect way to explain that feeling....

ImpactBreaker 7th December 2008 03:48 PM

Yeah, like waterballoon had suggested earlier about "bittersweet". Now that masa mentioned how it's more like, i do think the word suits.

At this site, they translated setsunakute in a KAT TUN song like that:

Quote:

I don't want to be all alone setsunakute
[ I don't want to be all alone, it's so bittersweet]
http://www.imeem.com/pkan/music/fqHr...n_preciousone/

Melrose 7th December 2008 04:35 PM

Oh, I just noticed something funny. Why are these two parts:

Sou konna fuu ni itsu made mo
Kimi o suki na mama de ite ii desu ka

Tada konna fuu ni itsu made mo
Kimi o suki na boku de ite ii desu ka

Translated exactly the same, as:

Can I stay loving you forever
Just like this?

?

And what happened to "sou"? It's not in the translation. @_@

maikaru 7th December 2008 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Melrose (Post 1731786)
^

Hmm, okay.

But keredo is at the end of the verse, right? So if keredo was translated at the end of the verse too, the word order would fit?

Feeling so sad, feeling so sad
And feeling a tightening in my chest
It's true I spend some nights like that, however...

?

Ayu put keredo at the end of the verse, so wouldn't translated it be there too?
(And yes I know about the different word order of Japanese sentences vs English sentences. :))

Japanese works entirely different..
The way you translate the paragraph is not what is being conveyed.
The painful feeling, and the tighting chest, and the night, are all one thought.
You cannot really break it up like that.
To say that, it would have to look like:

"切なくて、切なくて、
胸がギュッとなる。
実ははそんな夜を過ごす、けれど。"

setsunakute, setsunakute,
Mune ga gyutto naru.
Jitsu wa sonna yoru wo sugosu, keredo.

It's "setsunai", it's "setsunai",
And my chest tightening.
It's the truth that I pass those kinds of nights, but.

You have to work backwards when translating Japanese.
And now, it's more correct to say "There are certainly some nights when it's so setsunai, so setsunai, and my chest tightens, but.."
You can put keredo translation wherever you want. There is no difference.
Just the word you use in english is different. "Though" vs "But."

At least, that's the idea that is being conveyed in the lyrics.

And I am saying "so setsunai" because we still didn't decide on the word for it, ahaha.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Melrose (Post 1731882)
Oh, I just noticed something funny. Why are these two parts:

Sou konna fuu ni itsu made mo
Kimi o suki na mama de ite ii desu ka

Tada konna fuu ni itsu made mo
Kimi o suki na boku de ite ii desu ka

Translated exactly the same, as:

Can I stay loving you forever
Just like this?

?

And what happened to "sou"? It's not in the translation. @_@

He translated it the same because its really the same idea.
Can I stay loving you this way?
Can I stay loving you in this way that I do?
It's the same idea, with slightly different lyrics.

Sou in that context just means "So, can I... etc etc"
That's all~~~ no special meaning. ^^)

waterballoon 7th December 2008 05:20 PM

Oh yah I was wondering what happened to the 'fuu' in the chorus? It means wind/blow, right? Unless it has some other meaning in this context lol.

Melrose 7th December 2008 05:23 PM

^

Hmm, so why was Sou removed? It doesn't seem to be in the translation..

And, oh okay. Yea it does seem the same. But sou = so, and tada = merely/only? At least according to this dictionary. o.O So wouldn't it be:

Sou konna fuu ni itsu made mo = So, like this, forever
Kimi o suki na mama de ite ii desu ka = Can I stay loving you?

Tada konna fuu ni itsu made mo = Only/Just like this, forever
Kimi o suki na boku de ite ii desu ka = Can I stay loving you?



I see what you mean by breaking up the night-part apart. But the however and though are pretty much the same. They're both contradictions.

I said I loved you, but I didn't mean it.
Though I said I loved you, I didn't mean it.
I said I loved you, however, I didn't mean it.

Just that 'though' seems to come more in front. "I said I loved you. I didn't mean it, though." would be OK but would be kind of awkward.

Let's see if I can come up with something that keeps the thought as one, but stays more accurate to the original lyrics. Hmmm.

First translation draft:

So bittersweet, so bittersweet
Feeling a tightening in my chest at night
It is true I spend, however

Into...

OK I've got a blackout lol. Nevermind that. jon_the_d come and turn it into something good looking. XD

@waterballoon: ..what? fuu = way here. konna fuu ni itsumademo = in this way forever. ^^


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