Britney Spears vs. Ayumi Hamasaki .....what do you prefer?
 

I like Ayu :D:D

Ayumi Hamasaki... obviously.

well this is obviously an ayu forum, so >_>

of course ayu~

Lol, of course Ayu.

Her music is more diverse, she's more responsible, carries herself in a better way, much more beautiful, sings live, and on and on...

wth? this is an ayu forum, of course most ppl would choose Ayu 0__o

Ayu although I love both but I always buy Ayu's album
not if Brit

Absolutely Ayu... Remember this is a forum about Ayumi Hamasaki -- AHS...LOL

Equal. Brit is my favorite American artist and Ayu is my favorite Japanese. But this topic is a little silly because this is an Ayu forum. Unless you knew that and just wanted people to answer Ayu, for whatever reason.

I prefer ayu, but britney is good too XD

I hate britney so ayumi

hahah silly question :P
Ayu of course
though some of BS's (hahaha) songs are catchy, the lyrics are awful and I'm really doubting she has any involvement in the production of her music :P

Lets see...theres a shameless ***** and then there's Ayu.....hmmmmmmm this is sooooooooo tough

Ayumi Hamasaki.

is there anyone here choose britney??????
:no:no:no

hehe
i think no...

Me. Britney is much more talented than Ayumi, IMO. She's a much better singer, writer and looks prettier too. And a way better dancer.

ayu...
but i love britney though

U're being sarcastic right? D=

Britney, I worship this girl atm LOL. She's just so amazing. She can do w.e. she wants and still be famous, release catchy music, and make it on VMAs LOL. Talk about godlyness LMAO. And all her albums are good <3 OH and she can lose weight rapidly! Omg britney <3 LOLLLL

Ayumi is REALLY godly too, but her recent stuff hasn't impressed me.

Although both of them can't beat Ai <3 LMAO XD for me at least.

Britney is stupid, she wastes her talent, if she actually has any. :P
I pick Ayumi every time.
Ayumi is far more dedicated to her music, and you can tell Ayu appreciates her fans, whereas Britney doesn't

She's still selling millions... lol I think britney is not wasting her talent at all... and she does have talent... Just because she doesnt compose her own music doesn't mean she's talentless. Sure she lip syncs, but she performed live earlier in her career and I think that proves enough. I just feel that people are Judging her ALL on her personal life and just because she's had a hard time doesn't mean she's crappy and stupid... its like judging ayu to be talentless because she got picked up randomly by matsuura :S and how she was a high school drop out. But this isn't true at all because ayu is a pop icon now. Same goes for britney, she made some mistakes but she picked up her career again. I think that proves a lot as an artist.

how can u compare britney to ayu o____________________________o

Ayumi definitely, although I used to be a big fan of Britney before I started listening to Japanese music :)

Of course Ayu~:rolleyes

...writer? I wasn't aware that Britney was very literate. :innocent

Ayu :heart

Of course ayu. She's a really different artist that's why I love her. Her songs have meanings not like Western pop songs that I don't know if they were really seriously written.

When Britney was at her peak I admired her long before ayu came into my life. But she wasted her stardom when she junk her career and life.

I idolized ayu because she's a real artist. Serious, determined and career-oriented. even though many controversies have come to her life, she just moves on fighting unlike Britney who just throws away what she has been keeping.

I don't understand why some people are dismissing Britney as a legit choice. She is one of the most successful artists of all-time, and probably the most famous singer of the past 10 years. She's not something to sneeze at.

AYU!!

Well, you've got a point there, I know I called her stupid, but I didn't mean it like that. Haha. Yes, she is selling millions and I do realise she's had a hard life and I know she's had a nervous breakdown and I DO feel bad for her, because no one deserves that. But it seems that at the height of Britney's career she always seemed haughty?
And I said that about talent not because she's had a hard time, but because from the live performances I've seen of Britney, she never seems to sing live and I know people pay hundreds of pounds to see her, which kind of makes me sad, cuz I know Ayumi lip-syncs (as she demonstrated at PCDL haha), but she still sings the majority of her songs live.
I dunno, that's just my opinion. Haha. With Britney, I kind of always hope that she'll build herself back up properly, show us that she will sing live and she will write more lyrics and she'll give it her best. But it's never seemed that way to me. :P

Ayu of course!!! I like some of Britney's songs, but Ayu is the best for me!!! :)

I used to be a HUGE fan of Britney years ago. In the "Britney" era. I still follow her news, but I don't care about her music anymore because I don't listen to American music anymore. I guess I'd pick Ayu.

But while Britney's music, life and career has been going VERY well since her comeback with "Circus" album, Ayu's career and music has been going downhill since "MY STORY"... XD

And yes, Britney co-writes quite a lot of songs. I believe 2 songs from BoA's english album is co-writing by her.

LOL? I won't start bashing Spears here, but everyone knows that she isn't talented music-wise... she was another pop product from the late '90s who was lucky enough to gain recognition and popularity but wasn't able to deal with it nor reinvent herself, while Ayu has written better and more personal lyrics, took risks in every single aspect, handled her career herself, remained always at top of the charts, evolved and changed her voice for good, etc, etc. Meanwhile, Britney doesn't sing much to say :rolleyes Still, she obviously dances better than Ayu, but isn't THAT talented either, compared to Madonna, for example, who doubles her age, or Namie, in terms of J-Pop

And I don't thing beauty should influence someone's artistry

WHat were you wanting to achieve by posting this on an ayu forum?

Ayu ..

Milli Vanilli sold millions of records, are they good artists? You cant measure someone by how much he/she sold, mayn amazing artists sold less than a million copys in their career with 5+ albums, they still are better than britney, because I dont know what britney sells....her body? I dont really see what shes doing aside that. Singing a little playback? I could record a song, let somebody make my voice better and than jump around singing it playback as well, does it make me an amazing artist? NO

Please :rolleyes My point is not sales, it's longevity, overall popularity and staying power. If she was totally without merit or ability, she would've fallen off the radar years ago. The fact is, no matter how many people dislike her, Britney has star power that 99% of singers in the world would kill to have, Ayumi included. She's the world's biggest singer, and for good reason.

Ayu is a better artist...

but I have the same respect for Britney, even though a lot of people don't because of her personal life. She's had some amazing accomplishments...and people don't give her enough credit.

I would prefer Ayu of course...but a lot of Britney's songs are awesome.

Ayumi Hamasaki wins against any opponent.

VIVA AYU~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I definately prefer Ayu, but I do still like Britney as well.

lol it is no use to compare them.
once Britney starts singing live and releases a whole album that she WRITES HERSELF that isn't just about sex, sure.

i still love Britney, i have since she debuted but i do not prefer her to ayu at all and can not respect her the way i do with ayu.

I think Ayu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Britney...

I really can't emphasize that enough...

Boobies?

Ayu for sure

I do recall that when Britney injured her leg in one of her past concerts she cancelled the show, while when ayu fell into 2 meters tall hole and injured hard her legs and should've rested she came on the same evening and performed like a diva and wasn't whining cancelling shows for that.
And let's not forget that ayu is keeping on hearing just with 1 ear.

Britney might be one of the biggest pop stars on earth (and she was my favorite artist until I knew kumi/jpop) though in that aspect we really shouldn't compare that to ayu since no japanese artist is (and probably will never be) as popular as Britney in the world. But she comes nowhere near ayu in any artistical, proffessional or appreciation aspects and also talent.
The only thing she might do better than ayu is dancing Britney got talent for that. Besides that though ayu takes her in every aspect imo.

ayu ^^

well ayu herself said that she felt Britney is not herself (not her own creation), she's like a product.

This is to support someone's answer just now that BrittBrit really depends on her management team to build her image back. She literally knows nothing.

But ayu....hee hee ^^ YAY

Ayumi has more star power than Britney could EVER have.
Britney has sex appeal, which draws WAY too many people to her.

Yes, she's a good dancer. Yes, her songs are catchy. But what Britney doesn't have that Ayu does...is a brain.

Ayumi is lovely, strong, and intelligent. She carries herself well and is truly classy.

Britney themed her last tour around a BDSM-themed circus.
I'm sick of sex appeal determining "star power" instead of talent and ablilty.
It's not fair to those singers with actual talent and normal body-builds.

So that's my two cents.

First of all, we don't really know the extent of either of the injuries.

Second of all, so...we should give Ayu more respect because she's partially disabled?

I'm sorry, but I don't think so.

Ayu has A TON of other factors that make her great, all of which are musical.

I think it's fine to judge a person by their heart and personality...but what I really wish everyone would do was judge the artists by their music first, and personality later.

That would be my two cents on the whole Ayu vs. Britney thing. It seems that in the end, they both have alluring factors that are equally valuable.

AYUMI!!!!!!!! Well, this is an ayu fan forum so there's really no contest here. lolz.

I find some of these points very bias....

Just because she lipsyncs doesn't mean she cant sing. She was picked for the mickey mouse club for a reason :S ~! At least acknowledge that. And she started from nothing and became big just like ayu did and worked her way up. I'm pretty sure she can sing because i doubt anyone would hire her if she had no vocal abilities.

^How does being smarter make u more of an artist? :S

If I injured my leg, I wouldn't perform either, I think me being able to walk for life is more important personally... I think this proves more of dedication to fans rather than how artistic someone is lol...

I believe that ayumi is a product as well... I think its definitely hypocritical for ayumi to call britney a product... Everyone in the music industry is a product at the start until the very end. Ayu loves rock but she still does pop no matter what. If she wasn't a "product" she would've went straight to rock which is what she loves isntead of releasing singles like days. You can only go so far if you want to stay popular and u'll always have to conform to what people want... making you a product for people to love, listen, buy stuff. Anyways Ayu saying britney is a product doesn't mean anything >_> how is that proof? Its like saying christina doesn't acknowledge ayumi has an artist so now she's not one anymore.

I don't know if this is true but i heard britney co-composes some of her songs too... if this is true than its another reason why she still is an artist. Wait didn't she co-compose one of BoA's songs under B.Spears? or was it just a rumor.

I love how people say Britney uses sex to sell but look a the rule PV =_= Anyways if britney only used sex, she would've died out when PCD debuted >_>. obviously its more than just sex.

And I believe britney does take part in her music more lately. Like she commented on womanizer and why she liked it. Plus britney changed the title of IF you seek amy to that. Like these things show that she has some input in her career and she chooses aspects of it.

I find that people are very bias when it comes to american music on this forum :S just because they aren't the perfect image does not mean they are not an artist. You might like ayumi better but that does not mean britney is now not a credible artist or she should be ranked lower because she's up against ayumi =__="

what a stupid comparison.

They are both totally different types of singers and in differently leagues.

But personal taste, Britney for sure, Ayumi lost her spark years ago.

Don't forget that Britney's career was built around shock value. She was one of the first teenage artists to really get into that innocent/****ty mix that gave America's parents a collective heart attack (I can't say how Europe felt about it because I honestly don't know). That is MASSIVE publicity. Honestly, she basically brought that trend into the mainstream.

She still tries to be shocking, but recent efforts have just been...well...pathetic. For example, the "If U Seek Amy" gimmick...is that what she has to do now to get attention? Spell out the f-word? Fantastic job, Brit...

Musically, a lot of her songs are catchy--especially the slick, pulsating electronic ones of the past few years--but her lyrics are filthy and more or less cliche by this point (and the dirtiness makes the few that aren't nasty seem bizarre to say the least). There's no sincerity.

That's what I like about Ayu most of all. Sincerity.

alternafan000 says all.

^ she admit her product.... and I said she was a product because she does whatever it does to please the crowd.. and thats what being a product is.... you do what the crowd wants you too which is true. Ayu might've released GUILTY, but she always releases songs that the japanese will want to hear on her albums. She'll never go FULL ON ROCK because she won't sell if she releases led zepplin music. Every celebritiy is a product because they have to conform to what people want even if its not what the envision. Even utada said that she was tired of her career at one point and she wanted to release a different style of music and thats why exodus was created. I'm sorry but every celebrity is a product no matter what. Its not a bad thing, but I mean its true.

Yeah but sex appeal doesn't always sell music. Thats what i'm saying. and I'm saying that to say that using sex is wrong, is silly because even ayu does it sometimes. I'm not saying ayu has a sex appeal o_O

Sure britny doesn't have as much control over her career, but I'm jsut saying she has some :S people make it sound like she does nothing for her career which is wrong. I never said she is as controllive as ayu because thats obviously not true.

Sorry if I Didn't explain some points clearly enough, but i seriously think that people underrate britney as an artist. They make it sound like she's just a brainless doll. I just wanted to prove this point. I never said Britney is JUST as artsy as ayumi or she has more control. I jsut stated that she IS an artist and she should get respect for her music.
You know we might have different ranking for artists and that fine. But I mean some people here speak of britney as in she's famous ONLY because of her management which is totally wrong. Thats why I'm defending her. I love ayu's old stuff and its undeniable that I am was amazing and how self-composing an album with little musical background is great. I didn't insult ayumi in any way in my last post or this post. Ayu is great, but like britney has her accomplishments too and she deserves to be called an artist too.

thumbs up to alternafan000 and zelenk0 for speaking truth :yes

Well, I must say.. I think that people actually give Britney too much credit. She will undoubtedly always have a legacy as an excellent stage presence and an all-around great entertainer, but as a critically acclaimed recording artist with any artistic merit? I really don't think so. The success of "Circus" has been catapulted mainly by a combination of cleverly-crafted pop hooks and the public infatuation with her personal life. Otherwise, the album is entirely passionless, much like Britney herself. Her music will always be secondary to her persona as a pop culture icon and everyone's favorite trainwreck.

People need to stop inflating her success as well. I really do not think she's one of the world's biggest singers. Now, is she one of the world's most recognizable singers? Yes, definitely. There's somewhat of a distinction there. To sell 75 million+ records worldwide in such a short period of time is remarkable, but I think the timing of her debut was absolutely everything. I have a hunch that her music will simply not surpass the test of time once she has left the industry.

As for the topic of the thread, Ayu vs. Britney.. It's obvious who my choice would be, I just came here to give my two cents about Britney. Mind you, I think "NEXT LEVEL" is about just as unpassionate as "Circus" is.

^Perhaps you're right...but I mean...how can we cleverly discern what exactly makes a great artist?

I mean, Ayu doesn't really compose her music or arrange it, or write it to begin with...I think she puts more of herself into it than Britney does I think...but I mean, to me...there isn't like a huge divide between Ayu and Britney. Imagine if Britney wrote all her lyrics and cared more about her music...what would be different besides styles?

I think it's hard for me to see her as just a trainwreck, because I actually know people who love her music...but I think it's true that she has gained more success through other means and that it's never really been about the music with her...imo I think you're right on target, and I have to agree with you.

however...I think that if I were going to choose an artist based on artistic merit...I would choose none of the above in this thread lol

Really? What's the difference? I don't see one. And if she's not the biggest singer on the planet, who is? Certainly not Ayumi :laugh

Sounds like some Ayumi fans are just jealous that Britney has made a comeback from poor sales (something Ayumi has not been able to do). Britney is more successful in the States and more popular than Ayumi has ever been in Japan, and for good reason.

At least she doesn't make total clunkers like pretty much of all of NEXT LEVEL...

ayu did compose some of her most successful songs like M and evolution, and unlike Britney, ayu writes lyrics of all of her songs and this isn't a personality issue, it's an artistical issue.
Of course you don't have to write lyrics or compose to be a good singer, but also in the artistical criteria ayu passes Britney.

It's possible some people feel this way, but for me (and no doubt many others), this is far from the truth. I like the idea of Ayu succeeding, but I also like her music for what it is, so whether or not the public likes her music has no influence on whether or not I like it.

Sure, the public loves Britney. They loved watching her transform from bizarre combination of sex and saccharine into the poster girl for the word "trainwreck." They like following her obsessively, her antics, her dancing, complaining about her Autotuned voice while still listening to it, her erratic phases and behaviors, and watching her new videos while cheering, "***** is back!"

The public still likes her music. And that's fine. This is the same public that thought it was a good idea to give Soulja Boy (and countless other people with no real merit) any kind of attention, and actually has an interest in what Paris Hilton's (and countless other people who...well you get it) tiny little thoughts are.

No offense to Britney fans--I'm not trying to imply that all her fans have "issues," but anyone who thinks has to admit the fascination with her personal turmoils and screaming-for-attention maneuvers is somewhere on the demented side. My point is, her popularity has less to do with her actual music and more to do with the weird publicity she gets. ESPECIALLY now, but really even from the start. For those who like her music, again, I am definitely NOT personally attacking you. That stuff is catchy as all hell. But as far as Brit's popularity goes, the music itself just a small part of why she's so well-known.

OF COURSE the public still wants Britney. And OF COURSE some people are ignoring the public and enjoying a generous dose of NEXT LEVEL.

Last I checked, this is all a matter of opinion. Both singers deserve credit. No use in trying to prove that one is "better" than the other. I love them both, for different reasons, they both have their good points and bad points. And, I think that most singers signed to a major label are really just products. Ayu may realize it more than Brit, but she still releases things like the AyuxHello Kitty Digital Camera. Just like Brit sells Curious. Both are just attaching their name to something to bring in sales.

lol yes I know this, but it doesn't really make Ayu a composer or an artist comparable to lets say hikki, or dream theater or whoever.

I think when dealing with Ayu and Britney fans, it really is more a matter of personality. People talk all the time about how Ayu has more heart and all of that...but to be honest, I couldn't care less if Ayu was a crack smoking hooker and Britney was God's favorite angel.

or vice versa, which is kinda close to what they actually are :laugh I care about the music they put out.

And the fact that Ayu writes her all her lyrics and composed a few songs back in the day, doesn't really make her that much more of an artist than Britney, imo. Of course it does give her SOMETHING...which I guess is enough for some people.

I personally prefer Ayu because...strangely enough, I like her voice over Brit Brit's...and for the most part, her songs are really unique and well made.

Honestly, I like them both. And in the end, there isn't any point in say who I prefer, because if I support a singer, I will support him (rarely)/her/them all the way.

Of course, Ayu might be more "honest" and "down-to-earth" compared to Brit... but in the end, does it really matter? We are not listening to them to decide who becomes our girlfriends/wives... I think the music they put out is the MOST important.

And for me, I enjoy both Ayu and Britney's music.

And I think they are both very strong people.

Ayu has her ear problem to deal with, and Britney has her mental breakdown to deal with.

Perhaps for me, I wouldn't be able to handle that and walk out and still release albums/perform tours... but they managed to.

Kudos to both of them.

Ayu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Britney

Britney disappointed me so much as hell when she released In The Zone.


Ayu is much talented and the music is more honest and beautiful.


I look more on the background and the talent of the artist rather than beautiful face.
And image towards to the public is also important for me too. :)

:yes

ayu of course, what an obvious answer!

Actually ayu's sales never really bombed, proven by so many things among others a constant achievements of numbr ones.

That aside, you are right, there's not that much of a difference. Actually I think the two of them, much more so than being entertainers or singers, they are personally responsible and attatched to the entertainment "brands" ayumi hamasaki and britney. In many ways they're much like Louis Vuitton, madonna, manchster united or nike if you like. They promote certain goods and have tons of people working for them in their name. It's not really "britney spears" as a person people like, it's the work that is made up by lots of people channeled, or presented by britney because, in return she's a person who is a great instrument in making the most money out of those people's production. One of the most important people responsible for britney's success is without a doubt max martin who produced virtually all of her biggest hits. For ayu, equally important people musically are HAL and DAI.

Personally I think that in japan people are much more aware of this, it's something out in the open. To me it seems like western artists are not or at least pretend, not to be aware. That, or as the fan faithfulness is lower, it may be more important for the producrs to find the next "Pretty face"/pretty voice" rather than to put a lot of effort into one person.

ANyways, ayu spoke openly about this in her talkasia interview. It boils down to her being a product. I think she realised this very early as her fame exploded so quickly and this is also why she has taken a much bigger part in her on "merchandise" (yes this includes everything from the brand of clothes she promoted to her concrts and CDs/DVDs). She has obiously emplyed some of the best marketing people in japan which helps her to keep her brand up to date and in demand.

IMO, and it's not really a critique, it's more the result of a personal choice we should respect, it didn't seem britny realised this. If she had, I don't think she would've done the things she did, because as all japanese artists repeat all the time, they will do anything for their fans and thank them ovr and over for buying their stuff. IMO many western artists lack this respect for the people supporting them and thus giving them their daily bread and butter. ;)

the heck i never heard Ayumi called Britney a product

Although Hamasaki initially supported the exploitation of her popularity for commercial purposes, saying that it was "necessary that she is viewed as a product", she eventually opposed Avex's decision to market her as a "product rather than a person".

Ayumi views herself as a product (i think used to)

I remember in the Duty days that in this magazine they called Ayumi "The Britney Spears of Japan":puke and I felt disgusted because Britney is no way close to Ayumi
and now Ayumi is "The Madonna of Japan"

How interesting your point of view is!

You always have something interesting to add to the discussion :)
? Ayu is still, and will always be a product. Until she turns into a non-profit organization...that's just the reality of it all. She doesn't like it...but I think she knows it's not going to change, and she makes the best out of it.

I personally have always felt more correlation with Ayu and Madonna than with Ayu and Britney...I don't really know if there is a "Britney of Japan." I'm not saying they're similar in music or quality of music...just their staying power...

although Madonna is a lot bigger than Ayu :shrug whatever...I just liked Petit's post.

^ Utada on Z100 compared herself mainly like Mariah Carey and she also mentioned Britney Spears

^
It's not about how "close" someone are in terms of likeness (appearance/musical), neithr is it about who's "better" or more popular, it's how they are marketed and presented to the public. If you read my post I was in no way adressing how much the two are involved in their songs neither how they dress or how popular they are, but rather the presentation and promotion, and also the work behind the facade, that will make the public keep an intrsted and (litrally) listn to them and their works = making money for a whole lot of people. I do realise they don't always appeal to the same people (allthough I would say they are competing for an overlapping audience), it's like comparing adidas to hello kitty.

emiko; thank you so much! ^_^

i prefer britney's music but i think ayumi makes the better role model.

they are both pop products. to say one is better than the other is like saying apples are better than oranges. :shrug

I listen to Ayu for her thoughts and listen to Britney to shake my ass. Without either one, I don't think I'd listen to music as much.

Lol, I'm not bashing but seriously...

Much better singer? - she never sings live and Ayu's voice is so strong.

Writer? - ... Uhm, she has never really written a song entirely on her own.

Prettier? - Ayu is drop dead gorgeous and looks much younger than Brit.

Dancer? - Maybe so. Lol.

agreed : ) ~! I really don't think one is bbetter than the other. I like britney better personally but I don't think she PWNS ayu or anything.

^ I think writer is a matter of opinion. Britney does co-compose some of her songs. Although it might not be the whole song but some people find ayu's compositions boring, and actually like britney's co-compositions.

Beauty is debatable too.... lets just not start this topic because its just an opinion and i'm not going to say ur opinion is wrong.

Singer, I say that depends too because like I said, just because britney lip syncs doesn't give us reason to say she can't sing. she's just veery lazy. She was on the mickey mouse club for singing so she has to have some talent in it XD. Although, I guess its hard to compare her singing now because she's never singing live now >_<

In the end, this thread is opinionated and both singers are aritsts even if you don't like one or the other.

I prefer Britney Spears. She makes R&B music which I love more than rock music which Ayu's making nowadays. :p

britney makes rnb music lol ??

Ayu rocks!!!!! No comparison!

While maybe Britney does get some attention for her sex appeal, I've barely watched any of her video clips or performances. I've been interested in her music because it's kinda undeniable that she makes infectious pop for people who actually aren't so extremely picky about what they will listen to. Almost 8 years ago or so I started liking her songs because they'd constantly play her over the gym, but I stopped going to gym and listening to radio so I lost interest, but then 5 years ago I start going to clubs and her songs were everywhere, so I couldn't help but get exposed again and enjoy it lol. About her lyrics, her music still makes success in countries that don't speak english, so the whole "her messed up lyrics is what makes her career" is BS.

I do agree that the F word thing on the amy song was oxymoron though :laugh

However I have to be honest. I think Britney works with better producers. ayu is way too stuck with H/\L and CMJK. I can't see how ayu is "so independent" over britney if she can hardly ever try something different for her career. It's always the very same team of people producing her songs. While people say ayu is the one who choose what she's going to do, sometimes it sounds more like H/\L and CMJK just go and say "this is what we want ayu to sing".:laugh

Overall I do prefer ayu in general, but I do like Britney's music a lot.

A lot of people are saying that Britney is using sex appeal bla bla bla... Sure she's quite sexual, that's true. But what about Ayu? She uses her sexiness too. Have you seen "my name's WOMEN" PV? And "1LOVE"? If you're going to criticize Britney, why don't you do the same to Ayu? She did pose in bikinis when she was super young. What about those covers where she's topless? Yes, it isn't as extreme as Britney, but it's still using sex appeal.

Obviously Britbrit. Ayu is an old tranny going into a madonna thaaaang. We need more vadge and less vampire.

J/k. I really don't preffer one over the other.

Maybe not R&B, but she does use some hip hop elements in her songs, take Toy Solider, for example. I'm A Slave 4 U charted on the Hip Hop Top 100, or whatever that chart is called, in the US.

The man who just sold out 50 shows in London this year. ;)

If Brit can do that in 25 years, I'll take everything I said back. I know Ayu certainly wouldn't be able to either. But my point wasn't so much to compare Ayu and Britney. I was just pointing out that IMO Britney is not as influential as people think she is. She's a household name for pretty much all the wrong reasons.

QFT! (And really fast too.)

This too, to a point.

To be honest I don't really think there should be a comparing of Britney and Ayu. They're both pretty different in their own way. I respect both as artists/musicians but I prefer Ayu. Then again that could be because I only know of 3 Britney Spears songs at most.

I don't like Britney... but even if I think that Ayu is a good musician (not amazing, but with amazing producers) and one of the best pop performers in the world right now (and one of my personal top3), I doin't think that she is a goddess either...

My 2 cents:

Britney: She can't sing? Whatever, her fans don't care, why shold I? I don't like the lack of deepness on Britney's work, but not every singer needs to be deep and to ME, this is a important point... I can see artistic interest on Ayu's work (even in releasing Next Level, an album that doesn't have many garantees of good selling) but I can't see this on Britney's... I don't think people will remember her music in 20, 30 years, but I think Ayu will have a impact on asian music industry after she retires... but AGAIN, this is importante only to me! I can't say that Ayu is better than Britney just because Britney does only comercial music, while ayu IMO tries to have her amount of comercial and artistic success (pretty much like Madonna). If Britney is famous, that means there are people who enjoy her works, and if there are people who enjoy her works, I can't say she is not good, even if she isn't by my own standarts, Ayu isn't good either by a lot of people standarts....

But I don't think they both can be compared... to me:

Britney: Pop product, and a very good one, by the way... She offers something to her fans and she is pretty good in doing what she do... She uses the hottest music producers, make sure she have the hottest show producers and is aways in the style of the period of her albums... Pretty much like Koda Kumi.

Ayu: Something between a pop product and an artist... She wanna have more deepness on her work and sometimes it causes her to flop badly (the amount of people who dislikes Rainbow and Next Level for example kind of chocked me... 2 of Ayu deeper albums IMO), she plays more on her own style side than in the "what's on" side, but aways with hints of catchy pop music on singles... pretty much like Madonna

100% agreed
And the possibilities of her achieving what MJ or other big acts have achieved is technically impossible due to low album sales... I mean, no act from now on will be able to record 30-million-copies albums like in the good times

i cant call it hip hop nor rnb, its ok if there's little influence you can hear, but still not enough to call britney rnb artist, at least imo.

True. Her music is more like urban pop.
Not hip-hop, not R&B.

Britney. She knows how to entertain and give pop music that the masses will like.

The girl is bouncing back and adored by tons even after she had a huge breakdown. She's getting herself up and I only see good things coming from her. She works with really great people. She knows what she wants for her records.

Regarding the 30mil thing. No one will anymore. So for where she's at and who she is, she's one of the best known Female Pop singers of all time. Undeniable.

Ayumi to me is now a one trick pony. Makes a bland overly produce rock song using producers that have been used before for her sugary bubblegum jpop stuff. It just doesn't work. NEXT LEVEL to me seems appropriate... She didn't quote it as "NEXT LEVEL up" so to me it's next level down in a downward spiral of losing her focus.

She's been working nonstop since she started. She's probably surviving on steam right now. She needs to take time off and really focus on herself. Try and find a new direction. Her idol Madonna did it and it worked to her benefit.

If she doesn't we'll probably get more music that sounds identical to Blue Bird/Beautiful Fighter again.

Not saying you're wrong, but usually "urban" is used to describe hip hop music. So, it's like saying she makes a hybrid of pop and hip hop? I dunno, I always called her a pop singer :shrug But, I agree that she is by no means an R&B singer.

Ayumi Hamasaki is an artist while Britney Spears is a produced singer. That should clear up my position in this haha.

I prefer Ayu by far, but Brit's growing on me...

I think Britney was cool the first time around (late 90's) but anymore? I'd have to say Ayu... but I do agree Britney has branched out a bit more.

But let's just stick with Ayu for my answer.