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Chibi_Venus 1st July 2009 07:41 PM

Ayu on Michael Jackson
 
Seeing as how MJ was (and always will be) known as the King of Pop who practically revolutionized everything in the music industry, I wondered if Ayu would have said anything about his recent death.

I know she probably knows about it, and I also know that she probably hasn't been personally inspired by his work (even though he established everything, Ayu's more of a Madonna fan).

But I was wondering if she has said anything in one of her messages or some kind of article somewhere?

I've been looking in the news forums, but didn't find anything, so I was wondering if anybody knew anything more. :)

Thanks.

JackieRos 1st July 2009 07:46 PM

i don't think she knows yet

noidea 1st July 2009 07:50 PM

^ of course she does, EVERYBODY knows

brand new love 1st July 2009 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by (me)JackieRos (Post 2004497)
i don't think she knows yet

why wouldn't she know? i'm pretty sure everyone in the world who was access to the internet or tv is well aware, and even without it someone would probably tell her.

emikoishida 1st July 2009 07:53 PM

Ayu made a odd Team Ayu post a few days back. Saying everyone is born alone and will die alone'. Maybe that's related to Michael. I don't know. People like BoA and Rain made statements maybe because they are in the American music industry as well as the Asians but Ayu should say something to pay respects.

JackieRos 1st July 2009 07:53 PM

if she knew don't you think she would have said something yet
well nobody know if ayu knows thats my point
unless she said to you i know mj died then ok

Love Appears 1st July 2009 08:10 PM

I wish she would, and hope she will.

Not just because I'm a massive fan of both, but I agree that she should pay her respects to mentioning MJ. There are a few little things she has done that I feel have been partly inspired (for example, PCDL performance of In the Corner). Even if it wasn't though, it would bring me some peace of mind if she acknowledged him as the great artist he was.

He influenced the world of music -- everywhere, not just in the US.

hidekirby 1st July 2009 08:46 PM

I don't want to sound rude, but here's my opinion: I really don't know why she ever "should" say something about Jackson's death...
If she isn't a fan on him or a listener, I don't see the point... Or she should also make a tribute to Farah Fawcett! Maybe she respect him (surely) but come on she really doesn't have to do it or even to think about it.
Personally I would even find it a bit akward if she does it "in public".
Yet I don't want to start an argument or a debate (too late? ;) ).

noidea 1st July 2009 08:53 PM

I actually think she doesn't need to make a statement, maybe she is sad about his death, maybe she thinks its really sad a person inspiring many people died early, but why should she do that in public?

Coelacanth 1st July 2009 09:27 PM

Japanese celebrities probably feel less of a need to make formal public statements. Instead, a lot of them seem to be blogging about it. I'm sure Ayu is fond of MJ and is undoubtedly influenced by his work to some extent, but we probably shouldn't expect a statement. I'm sure that her dancers must be very upset though, and have probably discussed it with her. If there's any group of people that are lamenting MJ's death straight across the board, it's gotta be dancers.

micster 1st July 2009 09:31 PM

Well shes not really come out and said anything but of cause she knows. Some Japanese artists have said some stuff, exampling - http://ameblo.jp/exochika/entry-10289057106.html

mcluva420 1st July 2009 09:38 PM

if she does blog about him, i think it might be interesting..

PinkShinigami 1st July 2009 09:51 PM

No matter if she likes him or not, I think this could really be a shock for her. I mean, she is also on a big tour, she is also one of the biggest singers (though Asia only), so this could happen to her too, right? If she knows it, I guess it's something she have to try to not think about

emikoishida 1st July 2009 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by PinkShinigami (Post 2004602)
No matter if she likes him or not, I think this could really be a shock for her. I mean, she is also on a big tour, she is also one of the biggest singers (though Asia only), so this could happen to her too, right? If she knows it, I guess it's something she have to try to not think about

I was waiting for someone to say this. I am extremely worried bout Ayu. He probably died from drug overdose and those drugs were painkillers and stuff. Ayu's used painkillers before--like in the 2008-2009 countdown. She could get addicted and who knows--that could be fatal. Her touring schedule is hard even for a fit thirty-year-old women. It's not totally unrealistic. :(

noidea 1st July 2009 10:00 PM

^ but ayu used pain killers when she was hurt TEMPORARILY, she doesnt have an illness(we know of) so the possibility that she becomes addicted is quite low

kirei_ayumi 1st July 2009 10:10 PM

IMO, I feel that ayu knows about his death but she does not feel the need to elaborate on it...

emikoishida 1st July 2009 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by noidea (Post 2004615)
^ but ayu used pain killers when she was hurt TEMPORARILY, she doesnt have an illness(we know of) so the possibility that she becomes addicted is quite low

I guess it depends on how strong the med is. For her to do those concerts she must have used pretty strong ones and the stronger ones are more lethal if abused.

ImpactBreaker 1st July 2009 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by emikoishida (Post 2004609)
I was waiting for someone to say this. I am extremely worried bout Ayu. He probably died from drug overdose and those drugs were painkillers and stuff. Ayu's used painkillers before--like in the 2008-2009 countdown. She could get addicted and who knows--that could be fatal. Her touring schedule is hard even for a fit thirty-year-old women. It's not totally unrealistic. :(

The painkillers ayu has used were probably NSAIDs. Almost the entire world uses NSAIds for pain. They have no potential of causing dependence from abstinence, though they can be abused if pain is a real problem. However, Micahel was on opioids which usually are used to treat the strongest kinds of pain that can't be controlled by NSAIDs alone. ayu hasn't probably resorted to those...yet, lol.

Mirrorcle 2nd July 2009 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by hidekirby (Post 2004551)
I don't want to sound rude, but here's my opinion: I really don't know why she ever "should" say something about Jackson's death...
If she isn't a fan on him or a listener, I don't see the point... Or she should also make a tribute to Farah Fawcett! Maybe she respect him (surely) but come on she really doesn't have to do it or even to think about it.
Personally I would even find it a bit akward if she does it "in public".
Yet I don't want to start an argument or a debate (too late? ;) ).

Agreed.
And I highly doubt she'll say anything now, he passed about a week ago anyway.
And everyone else was talking about MJ, so her making a statement would just be adding to the billions of other statements that were made already.

Not to be mean, but I've had enough with hearing about MJ in the news and stuff. >.< People die everyday, and most don't get recognized like he is and some of those people that die have made a bigger difference in the world than he has... x:

kendelle 2nd July 2009 01:08 AM

I don't think that Ayu needs to make a statement. I'm of the same mind as hidekirby here, but the rest of the world has been spending the last week making statement after statement after statement.

Where were these people when he was alive? Only 2 weeks ago he was still "Wacko Jacko" to the majority of the world because of the media. The statements coming now from artists that never before mentioned him seems shallow.

Ayu has paid homage to him several times through her concerts, dancing etc. I don't think she needs to make a statement just because everyone else is doing it.

It reminds me of "The Eulogy Song" but enough about that ;D

emi♡ 2nd July 2009 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker (Post 2004656)
The painkillers ayu has used were probably NSAIDs. Almost the entire world uses NSAIds for pain. They have no potential of causing dependence from abstinence, though they can be abused if pain is a real problem. However, Micahel was on opioids which usually are used to treat the strongest kinds of pain that can't be controlled by NSAIDs alone. ayu hasn't probably resorted to those...yet, lol.

lol yeah...she was probably on vicadin or something.

Which...does have it's addiction capabilities...but I mean...it's no where near what demerol is.

I don't really think she needs to say anything about Michael. Why should she feel obligated to say something?

Are you? Am I? No. Was she his personal friend? No. Has she ever said anything about him being her idol or something (as with BoA)? No...

So...I mean...it's not really necessary...besides, she's busy.

But yeah, no QT, she hasn't said anything.

I agree with Kendelle. You know...I don't want to bring this up here...but the other day, someone said that all the people around Michael were bloodsucking vampires...sometimes it leads me to wonder if thats why he brought children around him...because they're innocent and can't use him.

Coelacanth 2nd July 2009 01:44 AM

I don't think anybody expects Ayu or any celebrity to make a statement. However, as one of the bigger names in pop music... I think an acknowledgment from her (at least in her in TA blog) wouldn't hurt. After all, she echoes Michael in a lot of ways (expensive music videos, elaborate stage shows, "overproduced" pop music)

A lot of people don't seem to realize the significance of his passing... He was one of the most famous people to ever live. We may never have another human being, not to mention music artist that is ever as globally recognized and gifted with such talent as Michael Jackson. Expect this to be in the news for a while.

naxxo.licious™ 2nd July 2009 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by emiko (Post 2004763)
I agree with Kendelle. You know...I don't want to bring this up here...but the other day, someone said that all the people around Michael were bloodsucking vampires...sometimes it leads me to wonder if thats why he brought children around him...because they're innocent and can't use him.

It doesn't have anything to do with this thread, but i wanna comment on this anyway lol

I'm pretty sure that's the reason why he loved kids so much. He had been exploited and made fun of (due to his acne) by adults. So i guess he prefered to be sorrounded by children who would just let him be.

It's sad, but he never trusted in adults. He didn't know how to relate to them.


Well, as for ayu, sure it'd be nice if she said sth about Michael's death, but it's not her duty.
She's never said anything about him, so i guess she wasn't a big fan of him (supposing she liked him, of course).

It'd be way different if we were talking about Madonna. We know how much Ayu loves her.

Love Appears 2nd July 2009 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Coelacanth (Post 2004789)
I don't think anybody expects Ayu or any celebrity to make a statement. However, as one of the bigger names in pop music... I think an acknowledgment from her (at least in her in TA blog) wouldn't hurt. After all, she echoes Michael in a lot of ways (expensive music videos, elaborate stage shows, "overproduced" pop music)

A lot of people don't seem to realize the significance of his passing... He was one of the most famous people to ever live. We may never have another human being, not to mention music artist that is ever as globally recognized and gifted with such talent as Michael Jackson. Expect this to be in the news for a while.

Well said, I agree. I don't expect her to release a deliberate, drawn out public statement; it'd just be nice if she made a quick mention of him in a TA/diary, just to show respect. Whether she was a fan or not, it'd just be a nice gesture, is all I'm saying. He had an incredible impact on the music world. I suppose some people of a younger age just don't understand that, and it's sad. He will be in the news for a while and remembered for his good heart, as it should be.

polka-dot-jewel 2nd July 2009 07:59 AM

I don't expect her to make a statement, or say anything about MJ's death. I wouldn't be surprised if maybe she likes some of his songs, or is / was inspired by him in some way or form, but we shouldn't really expect her to make a statement. Like other people have said, she has never really displayed a liking for him, nor was he one of her close friends / acquaintances.

I'd only expect Ayu to make statements about people dying when it's somebody close to her, or someone she truly idolizes, like with one of her best friends in 2007.

chloeM 2nd July 2009 11:52 AM

yea... i'd love to see ayu on MJ~

Amrai-chan 2nd July 2009 12:28 PM

Maybe Ayu knows and cares but does not feel like making a statemeent. Or can not find the words.

Sandre 2nd July 2009 01:29 PM

I haven't see any statement or speech from Ayumi on Michael Jackson.
I think Ayu knows what is going on too. Most of us know.
Since Michael Jackson passed away that day, his faces and music were all around the
TV news and newspaper, stated there king of pop die at 50.
It was a shocked that suddenly he died.
But he was a great singer.
Ayumi does acknowledge it. Well, it doesn't means she have to start a statement.
It's everyone choices.

octolina 2nd July 2009 08:52 PM

I hope she doesn't release a statement. People, ie Paris Hilton and many others, have been dropping statements like hot cakes. Saying stuff like "I have known MJ all my life... I am greatly saddened." Yeah, you know MJ but MJ don't know you! Name drop to get in the news! That's how celebrity gossip blogs feel about it anyway.

about BoA and Rain. They are such wannabe poseurs, no one in America even cares about them.

In other words I hope Ayu doesn't join the sheep.

Ayumi~moments 2nd July 2009 11:28 PM

I don't see why she wasn't close to him or anything. Course she knows and like us all was porbably saddened but there is no need really

Ayu_no_tenshi 3rd July 2009 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by emikoishida (Post 2004516)
Ayu made a odd Team Ayu post a few days back. Saying everyone is born alone and will die alone'. Maybe that's related to Michael. I don't know. People like BoA and Rain made statements maybe because they are in the American music industry as well as the Asians but Ayu should say something to pay respects.

BoA has said that she was influenced by Janet and Michael so it only makes sense for her to comment on his death.

ownsarai 3rd July 2009 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by octolina (Post 2005822)
I hope she doesn't release a statement. People, ie Paris Hilton and many others, have been dropping statements like hot cakes. Saying stuff like "I have known MJ all my life... I am greatly saddened." Yeah, you know MJ but MJ don't know you! Name drop to get in the news! That's how celebrity gossip blogs feel about it anyway.

about BoA and Rain. They are such wannabe poseurs, no one in America even cares about them.

In other words I hope Ayu doesn't join the sheep.

I'm sure a lot of those celebrities DID know MJ...most of their parents are rich and well-known. Kim Kardashian said she had one of her birthday parties at Neverland Ranch.
And the comment about BoA and Rain was really unnecessary.
It doesn't matter to me whether or not Ayu makes a statement about MJ's death. I'm sure she knows and is sad, but like others have said, she's a busy woman. And MJ wasn't a huge influence on Ayu, so there is really no need for her to make a statement.

Aisha_Angel 3rd July 2009 04:12 AM

Even so, it would have been nice to have heard something from Ayu...hell ANY of the Asian musicians who emulate his work.

I don't know if it's happened yet or not, but I'm a little disturbed at the fact that the members of TVXQ haven't said anything. >_<

alternarist 3rd July 2009 08:20 AM

well. not that i know of any statements ayu made about MJ's death.

I dont think ayu is inspired by MJ right?

zyoeru 3rd July 2009 12:42 PM

Exactly what some people have said. Ayumi is nothing like MJ, and has never said anything about being influenced by him. I think it's pointless that people are disappointed by her lack of commenting. I don't really see why she should comment on it.

I think people should just chill out. Yes he contributed massively to the pop-music industry. But he's dead...there's nothing anyone can do about that. Ayumi shouldn't be obligated to honour someone's death if she doesn't feel like it.

asmAyumi1992 3rd July 2009 06:33 PM

Ayu probably forget about it every time she's in the internet.

AyUta 3rd July 2009 08:55 PM

I don't think she has, but I think it would be nice if she did.

Aditmi Krisnasaki ~II~ 4th July 2009 04:12 PM

I think she know it...
But we don't know if she had said 'bout it...

ImpactBreaker 7th July 2009 03:25 AM

I don't think she has to, though it would be fun if she did mention something about him. :yes

I do think she got inspired on michael a few times. Look at the alterna PV. I think there are some simmilarities to the "Leave me alone" music video. Also ayu sems to have a thing for children in her PVs :P

Another point is, even though people only mention madonna, unlike madonna, and more likely michael, ayu has a couple of "vocal addictions" that are sort of unique to her and her music alone.

zyoeru 7th July 2009 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker (Post 2011640)
I do think she got inspired on michael a few times. Look at the alterna PV. I think there are some simmilarities to the "Leave me alone" music video. Also ayu sems to have a thing for children in her PVs :P

Haha. I can't wait for the ridiculous allegations against Ayu then. :D
But yeah...maybe you are right. I mean she doesn't have to credit every artist that influences her I spose.

EDIT: What do you mean by vocal addicitons?

ImpactBreaker 7th July 2009 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Furashubakku (Post 2011642)
EDIT: What do you mean by vocal addicitons?

Michael uses the "uhhh" "wooooohie" "ooooow" "shhhh kun-shh kun", which are kinda of a vocal signature for him. ayu often uses a lot of sounds that doesn't really mean anything but that add something different to her music, and make them sort of a vocal signature for her too, though probably not as strong as michael's. Her hums and la-las, etcc and other elements she adds that make the songs unique to her.

zyoeru 7th July 2009 03:42 AM

I see, that's pretty interesting. Ayumi does use those a lot. :P
Maybe her vibrato could be considered that as well? *prays this isn't gonna start a vibrato argument in the future!* :P

ImpactBreaker 7th July 2009 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Furashubakku (Post 2011660)
I see, that's pretty interesting. Ayumi does use those a lot. :P
Maybe her vibrato could be considered that as well? *prays this isn't gonna start a vibrato argument in the future!* :P

In my opinion, her vibrato counts as something unique to her as well :yes

Chibi_Venus 8th July 2009 03:33 AM

Ah, I'm sorry I'm late to reply, everyone. XD I don't have quick access to my Internet at the moment.

But thank you for all of your help and comments. :)

In my opinion, I do think it would be nice to hear a little something in one of her TA posts. Yes, it is true that Michael Jackson and Ayumi Hamasaki probably didn't know each other personally, especially since they are from two different countries. However, they are both extremely popular in the pop music industry (although let's face it: MJ >>>>>>>>> Ayu :laugh). You'd have to be living under a rock to not know who Michael Jackson is/was, so I'm SURE Ayu knows of him. And I'm sure Ayu was indirectly* inspired by Michael Jackson.

So I agree with some people here. Yes, she is a busy woman and she didn't know him personally, but because he was such a BIG icon and EXTREMELY well-known man, it seems almost fitting for her to at least say something like, "Wow, I just heard Michael Jackson passed away. How sad ..." or something like that. (Really, it seems more fitting for the "Queen of Pop" (in Japan) to acknowledge his death more than someone like Paris Hilton.)

But thank you everyone for your responses. :)

* is that the right word? I'm trying to say... She was probably inspired by him without realizing it, seeing as how he set new standards for music and revolutionized the world of music. You know what I mean? :P


Quote:

Originally Posted by Coelacanth (Post 2004789)
I don't think anybody expects Ayu or any celebrity to make a statement. However, as one of the bigger names in pop music... I think an acknowledgment from her (at least in her in TA blog) wouldn't hurt. After all, she echoes Michael in a lot of ways (expensive music videos, elaborate stage shows, "overproduced" pop music)

A lot of people don't seem to realize the significance of his passing... He was one of the most famous people to ever live. We may never have another human being, not to mention music artist that is ever as globally recognized and gifted with such talent as Michael Jackson. Expect this to be in the news for a while.

THANK YOU! lol

nomizo31 8th July 2009 04:53 AM

my opinion: i think every pop artists in the world owes alot to MJ.

Wether you like him or hate him - he made Pop what it is today.

I think it is a sign of respect when someone acknowledges that.

Wether Ayu will comment something? I dont know... Perhaps, perhaps not. Many artists have not - and many wont.

My personal opinion is very strong that anyone who performs pop sould hold some moment of thanks to his hard work - wether they do that publicly or privatly - it really does not matter.

yuki_unmei 8th July 2009 07:38 PM

I don't know if this has been brought up yet, but i thought it was worth mentioning that Peco did comment on MJ in her blog.

http://rockn-rose-peco.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/

Chibi_Venus 10th July 2009 11:47 PM

Ooh very interesting. :) Thank you for posting!

ImpactBreaker 11th July 2009 12:44 AM

Yweah, that's interesting! Nice to know PECO commented on him :D

David 11th July 2009 01:05 AM

I think she'd felt sad already but she just didn't say it maybe she didn't have time..

zyoeru 13th July 2009 10:08 AM

^ Yeah, has she even blogged recently? O_o


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