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dirtytoxic 2nd August 2009 05:58 AM

Another Vietnamese singer covers Ayu's song.
 
And this time, it's one of the best songs from NEXT LEVEL: GREEN.

The name of this terrible version is "Tears of the White Dew-drop flower" (beat me, i have no idea what does "white dew-drop flower" mean. Is it exist???? just translate it from the vietnamese name).
I have to tell, the lyrics are complicated, conflicting and have no meaning. can't understand these stupid things.
The singer is Vān Navy. She's not a real singer anyway. her voice is weak. and all of her 3 previous songs are... covers. (or you can say, stealing.)


http://k14.vcmedia.vn/Images/Uploade...kVanNavya1.jpg

http://k14.vcmedia.vn/Images/Uploade...kVanNavya3.jpg

http://k14.vcmedia.vn/Images/Uploade...kVanNavya2.jpg



Vān Navy - Nước Mắt Hoa Sương Trắng (Tears of the White Dew-drop Flower)

MF


And of course there is no credit for Avex or Ayu. Just "Music: Oversea. Vietnamese lyrics: Van Navy".

JackieRos 2nd August 2009 06:00 AM

she didnt get any permission?
she sounds kinda good but her vocals are weak in some words :yes

dirtytoxic 2nd August 2009 06:11 AM

nice outfits, nice stage. too bad she's just so lazy to have her own song!

douggn 2nd August 2009 06:12 AM

With next level being ayus latest album with green, I wounder if avex will do anything about this

JackieRos 2nd August 2009 06:12 AM

oh ok so she stole it *sigh*

pchan1986 2nd August 2009 06:19 AM

im not saying vietnamese are copycats but pretty much all asian countries like to use other artists music to convert to their language. im part thai/viet and i hear the same songs but sung in diff. languages. so im not surprised BUT they should get permission from the company and the artist. she doesnt sound too bad. i kinda like it ^^

ren0210989 2nd August 2009 06:24 AM

it sounds.... wierd @_@''
and her voice is too computerised/hollowed.... :thud

octolina 2nd August 2009 06:39 AM

i want to grab this Van Navy by the hair... make her sit in a chair, push the chair back, make her fall, take off that stupid $2 fake polyester kimono, pour chocolate syrup on her stupid hair, wipe that stupid eyeliner off her eye, wipe that off color foundation from her face, apply a new layer of matching foundation, stomp on her face, tell her she has bad style, tell her her face is weird and suggest a good plastic surgeon for her, punch her stomach, and then make her eat a pho noodle soup and make her wash the bowl after! I AM SO ANGRY at her!

mmaibff 2nd August 2009 06:44 AM

At first I thought I just wasn't really paying attention to the song, really after listening to it a few times I still have no idea what the song mean or what she trying to say. I can pick out parts of it but the lyrics seems really random and unconnected, but then again it could be because my Vietnamese is really bad. However it can't be that bad if I'm fluent enough to understand and communicate in daily life. It would also be easier to understand if she enunciate better, honestly I think a lot of singers have that problem their words seem to slur together (if that makes any sense) and its hard to understand.

love in music 2nd August 2009 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by octolina (Post 2045394)
i want to grab this Van Navy by the hair... make her sit in a chair, push the chair back, make her fall, take off that stupid $2 fake polyester kimono, pour chocolate syrup on her stupid hair, wipe that stupid eyeliner off her eye, wipe that off color foundation from her face, apply a new layer of matching foundation, stomp on her face, tell her she has bad style, tell her her face is weird and suggest a good plastic surgeon for her, punch her stomach, and then make her eat a pho noodle soup and make her wash the bowl after! I AM SO ANGRY at her!

my thoughts exactly :laugh
and it's a TOTAL ripoff. i expected it just to sound similar.. also the girl sounds like she's about to throw up

y_nathz 2nd August 2009 06:52 AM

i wonder if avex would react

emi♡ 2nd August 2009 06:54 AM

she does sound as if she's about to vomit... :laugh

I like the pictures though...they're nice.

mcluva420 2nd August 2009 06:55 AM

she seems decent looking.. but her voice isnt strong enufff!!! + need more emotion :)

zoomzoom 2nd August 2009 06:58 AM

While the very beginning is identical, the rest of the instrumentals sound like a karaoke track or something. Kinda odd. The vocals remind me of the 80s with the echo lol.

sakurako 2nd August 2009 07:14 AM

Meh...it's not..HORRIBLE. But yes her voice is hollow and pretty weak. Her kimono is unbelievably fake and for some stupid reason that part pisses me off a lot .+.; Not that her "covering" the song w/o persmission makes it any better.

Dokiyo 2nd August 2009 07:15 AM

Avex didnt do anythiing about the other cover by that guy...~ soo.....i dont really think theyll do much about this girlie~ but who knows~

agashi 2nd August 2009 07:24 AM

her kimono...like JAV idol outfit.....echI!

douggn 2nd August 2009 07:27 AM

I also wonder maybe she saw a clip of it, from how she's dressed and how her hair is, it looks like it was based of ayus PCDL going by the kimono and the red thing she has on her head, you can clearly tell its not the same but it has similar style to what ayu wore for her live of GREEN at PCDL

alternarist 2nd August 2009 07:35 AM

the pics are of her performing that song????

dirtytoxic 2nd August 2009 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmaibff (Post 2045398)
really after listening to it a few times I still have no idea what the song mean or what she trying to say. I can pick out parts of it but the lyrics seems really random and unconnected, but then again it could be because my Vietnamese is really bad. However it can't be that bad if I'm fluent enough to understand and communicate in daily life. It would also be easier to understand if she enunciate better, honestly I think a lot of singers have that problem their words seem to slur together (if that makes any sense) and its hard to understand.

I'm a vietnamese, but still don't understand the lyrics which is so random and unconnected. pay no attention to it, it's not worth.


Quote:

Originally Posted by agashi_qiao (Post 2045423)
her kimono...like JAV idol outfit.....echI!

Nice compare lol. she would be a good echi idol. not a good singer.




Quote:

Originally Posted by alternarist (Post 2045432)
the pics are of her performing that song????

yes that is. i'm finding the clip.


her voice are so weak, depends so much on the studio effect which made her voice become ridiculous.
listen to her cover, then return to ayu's one, just like return to heaven from hell.


I think Avex won't do anything. just post this to let you guys know. have something to chit chat.

Tasked 2nd August 2009 08:34 AM

why do loads of vietnamese songs have some kind of echo effect on the voice to make it sound more smooth? :S
Hmm Anyway; yea a cover indeed... and not a very good one

emikoishida 3rd August 2009 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirtytoxic (Post 2045482)
I'm a vietnamese, but still don't understand the lyrics which is so random and unconnected. pay no attention to it, it's not worth.




Nice compare lol. she would be a good echi idol. not a good singer.






yes that is. i'm finding the clip.


her voice are so weak, depends so much on the studio effect which made her voice become ridiculous.
listen to her cover, then return to ayu's one, just like return to heaven from hell.


I think Avex won't do anything. just post this to let you guys know. have something to chit chat.

If the single is selling a lot of copies they will.

zyoeru 3rd August 2009 03:55 PM

Avex won't touch her. They didn't go for the guy who stole Marionette either.
I actually like it. Not as good as the original but it's a nice rendition. Shame the lyrics are worthless. But I don't speak Vietnamese so it's okay. XD

AyUta 3rd August 2009 06:41 PM

Again? That sucks for Ayu and avex. I doubt they will do anything though because they didn't do anything for the last guy.

pommy48 3rd August 2009 06:47 PM

What annoys me with these covers is that they don't even make changes to the song....it's just a total rip off XD At least try to hide that they're just ripping off someone else's song lol

the echo effect kinda annoys me @_@

AyuHamasaki01 3rd August 2009 07:07 PM

we should report her :sdevil Well she stole it anyway D:
I think this cover is really horrible.

Jason 3rd August 2009 09:34 PM

I think it sounds too overproduced on the vocal side and the music sounds like a crappy karaoke backing track :/

Handjan 3rd August 2009 10:06 PM

I don't like her voice and I think this singer could at least make another arrangement for the song instead of simply copy it :grumpy.

Taru86 3rd August 2009 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pommy48 (Post 2046857)
What annoys me with these covers is that they don't even make changes to the song....it's just a total rip off XD At least try to hide that they're just ripping off someone else's song lol

the echo effect kinda annoys me @_@

Same here!

AyUta 3rd August 2009 10:11 PM

Well I listened to it and it sounds horrible lol.

thangkhung91 3rd August 2009 11:25 PM

OMG! Being a Vietnames myself I just want to crawl out of my own skin and bury my head in the sand. Embarrassing! She sounds bored and unattached. Ayu deserves better covers like Bentley Johnson's :)

naxxo.licious™ 4th August 2009 01:27 AM

Snooze fest :gsleep

Her voice lacks emotion and the echo is SO annoying :thud.

I do like the ending tho.

@thangkhung91: i agree. I actually like Bentley Johnson's cover like...a lot :laugh

yoshino 4th August 2009 01:52 AM

oh no.. not again??!!
It's gonna irritate me lots when they 'steal' Ayu's song jus like tat! oh well.,...

ストロボ・EdGE 4th August 2009 02:05 AM

I've never listened to a foreign cover before so it's kind of weird to be listening to GREEN and not understanding anything.

She didn't get permission? ( :no )

rakeru 4th August 2009 02:09 AM

was she trying to look like Ayu, too?

anyway, thanks for the news.

AyUmIXx 4th August 2009 02:10 AM

wwwoww thx for sharing this!!
and i think she's a big fan of Ayu!

Aisha_Angel 4th August 2009 02:17 AM

It's not so bad especially since it certainly beats the hell out of Sunrise.

These Vietnamese singers need to start crediting people for their music though. The melody is different where it counts so one could say that it's just like the song the Chinese song that sounded like Green when it first came out.

dirtytoxic 4th August 2009 03:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rody! (Post 2045490)
why do loads of vietnamese songs have some kind of echo effect on the voice to make it sound more smooth? :S
Hmm Anyway; yea a cover indeed... and not a very good one


because of their weak voice -> they can not be a good singer -> so they usually cover / steal foreign music + use so much studio effects to hide their weakness.

but I have to tell, just like other countries, VN really have amazing artists! too sad that people around the world just know about the other bad ones.

waterballoon 4th August 2009 04:02 AM

omg her voice is so fake/edited with the echos! and gosh they slowered the song down, now it sounds horrible... and she sounds... so EMOTIONAL!!!

pop909 4th August 2009 04:34 AM

Ya..slowing the song down does her no justice.

ohsixthirty 4th August 2009 04:54 AM

well...i like the stage and outfit. :yes she's very pretty.

and how do we know she didn't get permission to use this song???

ownsarai 4th August 2009 05:42 AM

Do you have a working link to this performance? Her voice doesn't fit this song. >.>

[taskin.ayu] 4th August 2009 05:42 AM

I'm Vietnamese and used to all this ripping off. XD It's always terrible and always sounds cheap.

C+R+E+AYUMI 4th August 2009 08:02 AM

stolen?? mmh. Anyway the stage is nice and her costume really appariscent but good.

Couldn't she have a more intelligent title?? It sounds terrible @__@

Aderianu 4th August 2009 10:04 AM

I don't like this song, but it sounds good... I think better than Ayu version

ImpactBreaker 4th August 2009 10:10 AM

She doesn't have to credit ayu. She should have credited the chinese song, in which GREEN copied without permission and credits.

Quote:

Originally Posted by octolina (Post 2045394)
i want to grab this Van Navy by the hair... make her sit in a chair, push the chair back, make her fall, take off that stupid $2 fake polyester kimono, pour chocolate syrup on her stupid hair, wipe that stupid eyeliner off her eye, wipe that off color foundation from her face, apply a new layer of matching foundation, stomp on her face, tell her she has bad style, tell her her face is weird and suggest a good plastic surgeon for her, punch her stomach, and then make her eat a pho noodle soup and make her wash the bowl after! I AM SO ANGRY at her!

Or maybe you can save your anger to do the same thing to ayu. After all, GREEN is a copy of a Chinese song, with no credits to the original :yes

yamadashun 4th August 2009 10:10 AM

compared with her, i like the previous guy who sings Marionette cover song more!!

his vocal is so strong~

daybreak123 4th August 2009 10:24 AM

I don't know what to say... It's really not good that she didn't give any credit, but I don't think the cover is really that bad. Okay, her voice isn't really amazing or anything, but I actually like the chorus... But Ayu's version is still so much better. :yes

AyUmIXx 4th August 2009 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker (Post 2047543)
She doesn't have to credit ayu. She should have credited the chinese song, in which GREEN copied without permission and credits.



Or maybe you can save your anger to do the same thing to ayu. After all, GREEN is a copy of a Chinese song, with no credits to the original :yes

which chinese song is that? i only heard a tiny bit of it that sounds similar but not all, i guess?

and even if it's copy from other song, the music arranger & composer of GREEN is the one who needs to be blamed, not Ayu :) since Ayu only contributed the lyric :)

i doubt that they copied from that chinese song because even if they did, they should have made the proper credits to the owners of the songs, just like how they credited sweetbox for most (m)u songs~

anyway, i didn't see any of "the GREEN copied a chinese song issue" hyped up when it was released,.... if it really copied, i guess that media would make a big fuss about it??

sorry, not that i want to make wars..but i don't think Ayu/avex ppl will covers/copy ppl songs without permissions, that's just what i think~ :)

Ayu_no_tenshi 4th August 2009 01:03 PM

several of us sent letters to avex during the last time but nothing was done. i think vietnam is not worth their time. no offense to any of the vietnamese members of AHS but WTF is wrong with these people?!?!

Tasked 4th August 2009 01:16 PM

:S GREEN isn;t a copy of a chinese song, right? I mean, possibly using a sample is not copying/covering a song at all. The composition of GREEN is nothing like that chinese song that once popped up.. I find it disappointing that some people have no insight in this..

waterballoon 4th August 2009 01:25 PM

Whatever it is, it still is quite disgusting how this 'cover' tries pathetically to copy the beats/synths at the start of GREEN as well... it's just laugh-able when done amateurishly. the only thumbs up I'll give to this 'cover' is the ending... I think I like it better like that. :laugh

Rocky Raven 4th August 2009 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirtytoxic (Post 2047272)
because of their weak voice -> they can not be a good singer -> so they usually cover / steal foreign music + use so much studio effects to hide their weakness.

but I have to tell, just like other countries, VN really have amazing artists! too sad that people around the world just know about the other bad ones.

Yep, true, someone amazing like Ho Ngoc Ha, Oh god, u actually speak out my thought dude!
Speakin' about Van Na Vy, who actually care about her if she credit Ayu or not, =/ She's just not goin' anywhere near the Fame with this.

AyUmIXx 4th August 2009 02:34 PM

anyone has found the youtube of the performance yet?
i'm really curious of how she performed GREEN..

Aditmi Krisnasaki ~II~ 4th August 2009 02:54 PM

i think it's not a big problem...
just like snsd stole uzbekistanist singer - Dineyra's raqsga tushgin...
wkwk~

Tom Punks 4th August 2009 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker (Post 2047543)
She doesn't have to credit ayu. She should have credited the chinese song, in which GREEN copied without permission and credits.

Or maybe you can save your anger to do the same thing to ayu. After all, GREEN is a copy of a Chinese song, with no credits to the original :yes

Uhhh... It's definitely NOT a copy of that Chinese song. No offense, but did you even listen to the song before making that accusation? If you had, you'd know they sound like, nothing alike.

This, on the other hand, is a TOTAL, COMPLETE, 100% obvious rip-off of GREEN. And yeah, she needs to credit whoever wrote GREEN.

foxhana 4th August 2009 08:42 PM

they sold the song duh. You cannot just cover a song like taht. You have to buy it. Like Jolin.

ImpactBreaker 4th August 2009 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AyUmIXx (Post 2047633)
and even if it's copy from other song, the music arranger & composer of GREEN is the one who needs to be blamed, not Ayu :) since Ayu only contributed the lyric :)

Then, why are people saying they'll smash this singer's face when she wasn't crediting herselēf for the lyrics? It goes both ways.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AyUmIXx
i doubt that they copied from that chinese song because even if they did, they should have made the proper credits to the owners of the songs, just like how they credited sweetbox for most (m)u songs~

First, sweetbox copied/sampled from a original song when he made Pride, and they didn't credit the originals. Second, ayu's composers batantly copied/sampled from the movie soundtrack THE MESSENGER when they made Free & Easy. I have concrete proofs for these, that the original songs were ripped off and that no credits were ever given.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AyUmIXx
anyway, i didn't see any of "the GREEN copied a chinese song issue" hyped up when it was released,.... if it really copied, i guess that media would make a big fuss about it??

You surely didn't pay attention to some of the threads that popped up. There surely were at least one up to a couple.


Quote:

Originally Posted by AyUmIXx
sorry, not that i want to make wars..but i don't think Ayu/avex ppl will covers/copy ppl songs without permissions, that's just what i think~ :)

But they've done it and they do it, either you want to believe it or not.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Punks (Post 2047821)
Uhhh... It's definitely NOT a copy of that Chinese song. No offense, but did you even listen to the song before making that accusation? If you had, you'd know they sound like, nothing alike.

I listened, and GREEN was definitely ripping off of that song. Not a 100% rip off, but it was sampling heavily, and they didn't credit it.

ownsarai 4th August 2009 10:31 PM

^octolina was the only one I saw say they would smash her face blah blah etc. And I still don't think that Chinese song and GREEN sound anything alike. :shrug

Aisha_Angel 5th August 2009 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yamadashun (Post 2047544)
compared with her, i like the previous guy who sings Marionette cover song more!!

his vocal is so strong~

His vocals were pretty darn good weren't they?

Actually, with that being said---I'd like to hear more of these illegal Vietnamese covers of J-pop tunes. I'm actually starting to like V-pop because of this thread...:P

Aisha_Angel 5th August 2009 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker (Post 2048039)
I listened, and GREEN was definitely ripping off of that song. Not a 100% rip off, but it was sampling heavily, and they didn't credit it.

:yes I totally agree. GREEN just sounds a lot faster and more modern. But the chorus is definitely sampling...or unfortunately, stolen IMO.

XxCaRoLcHaNxX 5th August 2009 08:06 AM

wow again?!

waterballoon 5th August 2009 08:15 AM

GREEN had the same notes as the Chinese song... the melody (at least the chorus)... is the same. ImpactBreaker, I'm not exactly sure but I've heard Free & Easy had the front piano part like sampled from somewhere.

Also Pride or rather the Sweetbox song... the chorus or whatever was sampled/taken from a song as well... I can't remember the name.

Also, why would avex not want to credit any songs they sample? Crediting = paying = losing money, and if any company can do it, they would want to cut as much cost as possible.

However, at least Ayu/avex is at least smart that they make the songs sound NICER than the originals... at least people wouldn't b itch about it. But for the Vietnamese covers... they sound horrendously worse than the songs they sample... that it causes b itching among people. :)

AyUmIXx 5th August 2009 12:27 PM

ImpactBreaker, can you give me THE MESSENGER music/song u're talking about?
and also the GREEN original chinese song?
i wanna listen to those of how much they sound alike..or exactly the same just like how this GREEN-cover does?

and that person who wants to smack this singer's face, just let him be

Tom Punks 5th August 2009 04:21 PM

Honestly, I really don't think that those like, 5 notes or whatever, were intentionally copied by whoever wrote GREEN. It really doesn't even sound all that similar, to be honest.

In either case, Ayu is not responsible, and I don't think this... Van Navy girl is really to blame for it either. She might not even know it's a copy. :shrug

dirtytoxic 6th August 2009 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aisha_Angel (Post 2048584)
His vocals were pretty darn good weren't they?

Actually, with that being said---I'd like to hear more of these illegal Vietnamese covers of J-pop tunes. I'm actually starting to like V-pop because of this thread...:P


yeah in a humorous way, i always want to see VN singers copy Ayu's. because lots of korean, chinese, thailand's stuffs were done in my country, but not ayumi. I wonder why didn't they copy sth from her. such a great stuff to copy.

and now "Ayu's wannabe Era" begins!

dirtytoxic 6th August 2009 04:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AyUmIXx (Post 2048808)
ImpactBreaker, can you give me THE MESSENGER music/song u're talking about?
and also the GREEN original chinese song?
i wanna listen to those of how much they sound alike..or exactly the same just like how this GREEN-cover does?

and that person who wants to smack this singer's face, just let him be



yeah i want to hear the other original versions too.

and to the person who wanted to smack Van Navy face: it's not worth. save your energy, live a heathly and happy life!


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