MARRON correct pronounciation
 

Helloooo :innocent

the question is about ayu's doggie Marron.

I always read it MARROn (like marron-glacè) but in mariko's blog there's a pic with marron and the writing of MALON on.

so what's the right reading?

in Japanese L and R sound the same, so for them it makes no difference I think xD

^this...^^

^ Ditto



(Are you kidding me)

Who is kidding u? xD

The pronunciation is "marron", like in "marron-glacè" using C+R+E+AYUMI's example... or "maron" as it would be written in japanese...

there is no "l" on japanese language...When a foreign word has this letter, they pronounce it like "r"... Sometimes, when they are writting on western languages, they use "l" instead of "r" by mistaken, cuz for them, both letters have the same sound ^^

it's the same for "b" and "v" for example =)

if its in japanese, maron would be "mah-rone" u gotta say the "n" in japanese.
marron glace is like "mah-rron", the n is more silent.
i can say it, but i can't write out pronunciation well.

As it's a French word, I pronounce it the French way..not the Engrish way. :P

It's Marrrrron, right? (*insert the rrrolling R sound*) Which is basically how it would be said in Japanese, just not nearly as drawn out. And they only put the L because Ls and Rs are interchangeable in Japanese, since it has that rolling sound.

MALON MALON MALON!! xD


don't get too deep in this subject D: if u wanna know how ayu pronounces it, watch one of the concerts that she brings it on stage ;)


and I'm pretty sure she called it "marron" but she sounds like she calls it maron, malon

:)

The japanese R is not an R nor an L.. It's actually exactly the same sound that the american-english pronunciation of 'city'. So that's how you should pronounce it.. The japanese R is not a rolling-sound, but a 'tap-flap'.
Oh and R-L is not the same as B-V.. Japanese phonological perception CAN distinquish between B and V, but generally not between R and L.


Anyway why I said 'are you kidding me', because your post was extremely useless, with just one word.

Sorry if I offended u with my post, that was not my intention =)

About b-v, i was saying that they usually uses "b" on foreign words that use "v", cuz their alphabed doesn't have a "v" (or a "l"). And yeah, I heard japanese people pronouncing "v" as "b" more than once ;)

About the "r" and "l" I'm sorry, I forgot that not all languages pronounce "r" the same way as japanese and portuguese do (cuz both languages pronounces it in the same way most of the time)

japanese and portugese do not have the same R; although it comes really close.
And japanese do have a 'v' for katakana-words. va vi vu ve vo is perfectly possible. however, the japanese v (also in fu) is a bilabial sound, instead of a labiodental sound (like almost all other languages)..

^I'm pretty sure they are pronounced the same way, or at least, is what japanese teacher over here teach us =) but only one of the uses "r" has in portuguese, we use it on 4 different ways, and only one sounds like in japanese, the other one ("r" in the begining of words) is pronounced like japanese "h" + vowel and the other 2 uses don't exist in japanese...

And about my "^this", on my first reply, SURREAL RAINBOW implied that he wasn't sure about what he posted, and I was just saying that IMO he was right

they are not. I study linguistics, and phonology is my favourite subject.. The portuguese R and the japanese R are similar, sometimes identicle, but generally not the same.

If you must know. the Japanese R is written as [ɽ] in the IPA (international phonetic alphabet), while the portuguese one is written as [ɾ]. Exactly.. it's not the same. The portuguese one is a dentalalveolar-flap, and the japanese one a regular alveolar-flap

side-note: the portuguese R-sounds are: ʁ ɾ x h (and sometimes χ and r are possible)..none of them are the same as the japanese ɽ

Well, if u say so... in the end of the day, ur "city" example was the best one... but, is it always said like that? I can't remember cuz english has lots of accents x_x

thanks. but yea you're right. 'city' is not perfect, it can be said in lots of ways.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep5pJ_Y_zJQ
it's not a perfect example... but there r 2 words that use "r" on this video

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Because japanese doesen't diffrenciate between the two sounds, they can use sounds similar to both ends of the spectrum for effect (like in the link below where in the intro there are clearly rollied rs like standard pronunciation of the letter R in most of the continental languages that aren't using the french R). In languages that give this phonetical difference some value this would be considered faulty and children with this problem given tutoring to learn correct pronounciation.

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Rody! I think it's a very interesting subject too.

As for the final nasal sound in Marron, depeding on the speaker it can be pronounced clearly, omitted, slightly nasalize the preceding vowel (turning the japanese pronounciation of the last syllable in marron into something very similar to the french pronounciation of the same syllable) or in some cases even a slight ng sound.

well Ayu pronounces "Marron" in this video

http://secsecae.multiply.com/video/item/103

Maron is the pronounce of Melon in Japanese.
It's the same thing.

^
maron is マロン
melon is メロン
they are definitely not the same thing.

right :yes

I know about the no difference between R & L..but..OMG i don't wanna believe the name is MALLON. It's unhearable. It's unstandable. It's..OMG.

It was so cute a petit marron-glacè -___-


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oh, stop just one moment my tear drops: and if Marron stands for MARLON?? like Marlon Brando i mean...
it could be a new world...

If i'm not wrong, people like to name stuff after candy in Japan cuz they find it cute... So, yeah, it's possible that Maron came from marron-glacè