is "dolls" the full unremixed version of "starting over"?
 

i just realized this listening to both songs! has this been discussed before??



i made this to help you guys listen! i combined starting over and dolls chorus!

...what are you smoking? o.O

???? starting over? really?
they seem quite different.
did i miss something? *so confuzzled*

the "lalala" in starting over is the same with the beginning of the chorus in "dolls"! starting over is just in a lower key!

arent they in different time sigs too?

if its a remixed version then its natural to have different tempos..

tempo is different from time signature, hun

then you can explain it to me rather than being rude?

okay here. im so sorry if i hurt your feelings. never take anything i say as being rude. . . .as now im offended

tempo is speed

time signature for dolls sounds like 6/8 (someone correct me) and for starting over typical 4/4 time. 4/4 time means four beats in one bar. 6/8 is 6 eighth notes in one bar.

its a major difference. also thats why the melodies sound quite different

you would have to explain to me how you came up with your assumption a little more clearly as its very uh unusual i think (for lack of better words)

thank you for explaining to me! :D im sorry too.

i got the similarity from the melodies of the "la la la" in starting over and the melodies of the beginning of the chorus in dolls. it sounded like dolls was an extension of whatever idea she was using for starting over. :D

hmmm. ok i see. (sorry i sound so condescending i guess sometimes) *hits self* bad girl

but i must agree to disagree sadly :(

they dont sound like the same rhythm to me but i guess is need a score

i made this to help you guys listen! i combined starting over and dolls chorus!

No.

lol... no.

:no
Nope!

that youtube video didn't help at all
nothing about them sounds similar

nothing? really? hmm i think ill have to wait for someone smarter :P

You have a knack for hearing similarities between songs where they definitely do not exist.

I don't think so..

thats what you think. maybe your hearing needs to be fixed. on the other thread deliriium agreed with me. so i dont think i deserve your rude reply.

Maybe YOUR hearing needs to be checked considering you're the only one who thinks they sound anything alike... :shakehead

mind your own business, do you enjoy butting into other peoples arguments?drama queen.:rolleyes

No one's arguing here, I'm just stating a fact: for some reason you hear similarities between pieces of music that don't exist. :no

I listened to the one you made so many times thatI actually hear a connection

A melody can easily be transcribed from 6/8 to 4/4. If not, it would've been impossible to have trance remixes of these song. I think almost all of ayu's trance/dance remixes are in 4/4 with the exception of Never Ever on ayu-ro II (which is quite strange to listen to!!!, but very interesting).

In addition sometimes the 6/8 is more of a rythm and as long as the the bars/musical phrases are following structure of 4 x 6/8, depending on the tempo of the melody, whether the songs is transcribed in 4/4s with triols or 6/8 could be abitral. :headache Sorry for being so unclear, but it's been a while since I did music theory and I didn't do it in english.

A score wouldn't really clear things up IMO, most pop songs use the same type of harmonies and even a lot of the same melodic phrases/passages without being remixes.

Despite the technical possibilities of making such a remix, I can't hear any similarities between the songs in the clip you posted.

I can hear the "la la la" melody in starting over being used again in "Dolls", but it is a VERY common and very simple melody. This would be like saying Do As Infinity's "Heart" is another "version" of Bon Jovi's "Wanted Dead or Alive." One tiny bit of melody being moved from one song to another doesn't make one a version of the other.

I can hear the similarity, but I don't think it's a meaningful one.

This is an online forum. I'm allowed to reply to whoever I want. If it wasn't anyone else's business, you should have PM'd your "argument" to whoever you were "arguing" with. Please don't call me a drama queen and be so needlessly hostile when you're the one starting all the so called "drama". :)

take your own advice, hypocrite :lech

@Paparatzi: Don't take it personally when people disagree with you. They just don't think it sounds similar, they're not personally attacking you :) Don't worry about it!

To be honest I don't hear the similarity either. Starting Over is all drumsy with a beat, and dolls is like, a ballad without drums, also much slower.

you can disasgree by saying "no", not call me delusional?

also i didntsay that they are the same songs, please read the entire thread. :no

Your title DOES say "is dolls the full unremixed version of starting over" which DOES imply that you thought they might be the same song... ^^;;

:shakehead im sorry, i did not realize i made people think that way..thats why i was mad when they moved this to enquiries forum because i wanted it tobe a discussion.. thank you though, id change the thread title but im too lazy :D

Hm, I don't hear it :no.

if they dont hear similarity, that doesnt mean they are in lower state of being smart.

lawl at the bickering.
I don't think they sound similar... if you do that's fine :D I also think Kuu's Without Your Love sounds like Beyonce's Crazy in Love but no one else thinks so XD

I second this xD


Send some to me :yes

^LOL you guys are horrible! xD

you have found me.


yes they are similar, actually, ayumi wrote about this once and said that she did this intentionally. :yes