I have watched the Countdown and I think I have the opposite opinion of everyone. I thought the vocals were rough in certain spots but overall it was decent. But I didn't really like the show. The first section being the lowest point for me. When she poured the water on her chest and when she was flashing her underwear was more cringe than any of the vocals. I will say though that the little mini countdown during Lady Dynamite was really cool. I loved the graphics and lights.
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In regards to tour schedule, it’s true that she’s only performing a few times a week. But in between shows she (at least in the past) reviews the footage and then uses that as basis for improving the next show, which means more rehearsals. I don’t know if she’s still doing that, but she still could be singing every day. Plus all the sound checks. So it’s definitely possible she’s running her voice to the point of hoarseness. But there could be other factors. At the end of the day, I’m thankful that she’s still doing shows. The hoarseness didn’t bother me so much this time, it was more the off key notes (which were expected but sound unpleasant nonetheless), which she may be able to work around by lowering, since she was good when not reaching for them. |
The hoarseness and her unstable voice is exactly what shocked me.
I expect her to not be on-key and do shouting here and there, but that her voice is so coarse from the very beginning... she had a week off since the last date on December 23. I really don't understand what's the problem. Did she ruin her voice earlier in her career so much, that it's going hoarse without her doing much? Except rehearsals of course, but every other singer does that as well. |
I think she rehearsals as crazy all the time. Maybe because she posts photos only from the studio
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What’s cringe worthy is some of the comments on here. When ayu is doing the best she can with her current situation. She’s more than half way deaf and yet some think that’s a small thing. She can’t hear to 100% capacity which means: she easily goes out of tone, screams most of the time which destroys her vocals for the night and adjusts her ear piece as the show progresses. I’m sorry if I sound a bit harsh but hearing loss isn’t something to take lightly.
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^I don't think anyone really sees it as "small". Also, she doesn't shout all the notes anymore like she did and the best she could do vocally at this point would be something like PoM18. The problem isn't that she sometimes hits the wrong note (not for me at least...), key but her strained vocal chords. That doesn't have too much to do with deafness. She's been singing rather lightly for quite some time now, which is good but she still gets hoarse. As Aderianu said, she seems to rehearse like crazy and if she can't handle all that without ruining her chords, then she needs to change things.
I personally liked the CDL and it felt like her vocals kind of warmed up during the show but that should happen before the show. This was way better than the last two CDLs vocals wise, though. Her voice wasn't hoarse during nearly every song this year (she was sick before MIT tho iirc). |
Not gonna make some huge technical analisis because everyone already did it and I agree in many points with y'all, so vocals problems aside I'm just going to write my personal opinion: I REALLY enjoyed this whole show, her energy, her sensuality, her emotion (didn't see fake crying this time when she teared up a little in NOW & 4EVA it felt pretty real) she delivered a great show and performance. Personally speaking, I enjoyed this CDL more than any other show since MIJ 16 (maybe PoM 18 could be an exception but has such a different style overall so is hard to compare) so that's it for me, great show and I really enjoyed it.
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This conversation has been around since 2007/2008 (when her vocals were, in contrast to 2005/2006, far worse), and I think it is due to her hearing loss more than anything, but I do agree that rehearsing and touring so often cannot be good for her voice (and remaining hearing) either. I feel quite apathetic towards her tours now though, and have since about 2012. This CDL was fine visually, average for her vocally, but eh. She's different now from the artist she was when I started listening to her, it simply feels unfair to compare her now to what she was like 'then', particularly as I'm aware of her hearing issues....
...but when you start thinking about her show as a product to be consumed, and that there are potential factors that exacerbate certain issues, then certainly I feel people have the right to make comparisons with other touring artists and express their dissatisfaction. Larger shows with fewer dates would be more preferable, and would allow her more time to give to other aspects of her career (like...releasing singles to boost interest in attendance). |
I really, REALLY LOVED W. It was so sexy and ironic at the same time. She was going full sexy and mocking that situation. Best part of the show for me.
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I was kind of surprised as I really enjoyed watching this CDL. Ayu really looked like she was having fun and I liked the setlist too (even when it wouldn't be anything I'd usually put together)
Her vocals actually seemed to improve later in the show? I think the problem is that when she has put in the effort with a vocal coach, her voice has been better even with her hearing. Mostly it seemed like she was hitting the right notes to me but she almost sounded hoarse from a cold or being at a loud party and shouting (which has been me over Christmas :laugh I even kinda liked Timmy as a Caberet-esque MC character before 1LOVE. I actually think that MC character look could work well in the show for him instead of the current outfit? I was expecting to be disappointed by the smaller scale shows but I even really liked the stage. The stairs were simple but effective. I also wonder if Ayu felt the need to fill the larger stages with more dancers before whereas now it felt like the right balance for me. |
I couldn't disagree more with most of the members in this forum then right now. I really enjoyed and loved the show. Her energy was amazing! I don't know why but I feel that she now fully enjoys holding a concert. It's clearly that the fans attention is her source of strength. The venue was really nice and I kinda enjoy her concerts more with this layout, closer to the audience, with no middle runway. The visuals on the screens were really amazing and it felt that the concert has a nice flow, just like her concerts used to be, with some kind of storyline (AT 2005 and 2006 for example). Talking about the vocals, I really was surprised. I don't think it was terrible at all. Only the start of WARNING and then UNITE but everything else was lovely for me.
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Okay I have finished watching the CDL.
Positive thoughts : - I was not bothered by her vocals at all, they were bad during some songs but like 2 or 3 out of the whole show so I don't mind. - I liked the intro and the interludes. - Overall the show was nice and energetic, I had fun especially during W, 1LOVE, We are the QUEENS are Dream ON. Ayu seemed to be enjoying herself. - The outfits and props were cool. Negative thoughts : - I'm not into small venues, it makes the show feel underwhelming for me. That's not her fault since Yoyogi is under renovation but I hope halls do not become her default setting. - I didn't like the setlist because : - The show just feels too homogeneous, there are just too many energetic/upbeat songs that it just gets boring. - She overperforms some songs these days, i absolutely love WARNING as a song but i just don't want to see it ever again lmao Love Song needs to die too and that performance of 1LOVE has now been used 4 different times, even though i enjoyed the new visuals a lot the choreography is the same so it needs to die. |
To all who criticized her for her voice...
Her voice is hoarse since the end of 2015 - MADE IN TOKYO was the beginning of extreme low quality live voice and that was after her first pneumonia which wasn’t really cured. At the end of 2016, she had a second pneumonia which wasn’t fully cured. At the beginning of 2017 avex announced that she is almost completely deaf. What Did you guys expect after all this? |
She has proven her ability to sing well and not have a hoarse voice during MIJ, PoM18 and TV performances this year. That's what can be expected since she clearly can deliver it.
Not about what I expect from her but let me just add, it's simply irresponsible to not cure things such as pneumonia. It's not a surprise with her but she should cure things properly, both as a singer/performer and simply a human. It can backfire easily and if the pneumonia(s) is/are actual reasons for a 'permanent' kind of damage then it's an explanation but not an excuse, imo. But that's just what I think and in the end she will do things the way she wants to. After all she is a 40 year old woman who can decide for herself. One doesn't have to agree with how she deals with different things, though. Anyway, not gonna add much to that discussion. I said everything I wanted to say and I don't want to repeat stuff too much. Also, for me this was more of a general discussion since it did occur in this CDL (hoarseness) but not as much as in others. I generally enjoyed it a lot! |
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I also think that lowering the key or using pre-recorded vocal for the notes she can't reach, or struggle to reach. I don't mind having the UNITE chorus in playback.
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I went to her 12.23 show in Kyoto (my first time seeing her live actually, I'm finally making enough money on my own to afford a trip to Japan) and saw the new year show online yesterday. I honestly think she sounded better on her 2nd night in a row in Kyoto than on the CDL show which she had a week to rest for. I don't remember any shouting or going off-key, and there were some moments in the earlier songs such as How beautiful you are that she actually sounded like a 10yr younger version of herself, although her voice did get waxier during the encore songs at my show as well. I think one of the factors is that the CDL show was longer with a couple of additional songs to rehearse in the final days (rawrrr I missed Talking to myself), and this tour was full of dance songs which are more tiring to prepare and perform. It was also much later into the night at the CDL, and she sounded more worn during the final songs at CDL than the one that I saw live. And honestly let's be realistic, her voice expired 10 years ago. She was never a vocal powerhouse, but she had a unique and inexplicably addicting voice. There was a lot of friction on her vocal cords to produce that voice, and the damage is done, that voice is long gone. She's also sth like 80% deaf now, so she doesn't get enough audio feedback when she's singing, which probably causes the shouting and going off key. I guess the realistic solution is just cut the hard songs and do less dance songs, cuz I'm pretty sure given how hard working she is, she's already doing the best she could to sing in her current physical condition. For the ppl who have problems with how sexual the CDL show was... well the Kyoto show was even more sexual. She picked some fans on stage, made the girls sit on chairs while she sat on their laps and hugged them, and the way she threw her legs over theirs and her arms around their necks looked like a quick lap dance. The guys lied horizontally on stage while she bounce-danced on top of them. I guess this sounds bad in words, but I just laughed at the concert and said "lucky bastards". I'm actually OK with the water pouring and stripping part, even though it surprised me at the show (W was the opening song at Kyoto). She must have put in a lot of effort to get back in shape, so if she wants to show off her body, go ahead, she's not going to be sexy forever. And there's always Timmy on stage to set the lower bar anyway. One last thing... I'm pretty bummed at how strict Japan is with the no photos/filming policy. I know it's the local laws and culture, but I just wanted sth to remember that moment by... I got scolded by the fans next to me. I don't blame them, but awww... |
I'm off to see her tomorrow in Ibaraki. I'm excited to see the hall arena as I've seen her central stage and regular stages live before so this will be something different. I kind of hope I am on the second or third floor so I can take a few sneaky photos :laugh
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I watched the CDL 2018 concert last night and the one thought I have is that those who say he sounded awful must've never heard her at her worse. Sure, she was rough in some spots, but overall I didn't come out of this anywhere near as shocked as I was a few years ago.
I'm also looking at my downloaded files right now - was there no CDL last year? The previous one I have before that is the one for JtB (broadcast 2016/12/31) As for the tours, I have Made in Japan (2016), then the two JtB ones that are bundled with the Trouble CDs. Then somebody's TV rip of PoM 20 - has that one been released on DVD/Blu-ray yet? Am I missing anything in-between? I'm a completist :-) and I feel like I haven't purchased anything in a long, long time. |
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But that doesn't really change anything for me. I don't know if perhaps Ayu was making a commentary on how women are sexualized or if she was trying to be humorous or trying to "enjoy herself". But it didn't click with me. I don't find it offensive or upsetting but I was sitting there while watching like::confused:no. It looks like the majority of people really enjoyed the show and the only complaint was the vocals. Ayu has had much worse reviews so it seems unnecessary to argue over her voice. It's the same talking points every time. I personally have just accepted that Ayu's vocal performance on any given day simply is what it is. Sometimes it is not enjoyable and other times it can be good. I don't think her voice will return to the way it was. Hopefully Ayu will give touring a rest after this tour is over and release a full length album later this year. |
I wonder how the set list will change and whether she’ll keep some songs. I hope she adds WORDS!
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I kind of read W's performance as a bit tongue in cheek.
The lyrics include "It's your own fault for taking it seriously, you know?" and "Intentionally playing the part of a woman without intentions is also a strategy" which I felt fit with the possibly deliberately over the top 'sexy' choreography |
There is one half of the concert on youtube and I watched the opening part, so WARNING, W, Lady Dynamite and 1 LOVE. Plus I saw Together When... in another video. I was a bit prejudgemental to comment instantly on her hoarse voice. I am not denying that her vocals were strained, but overall I just wanna say how amazed I am by her energy throughout this part. She did really good. I think this CDL is great and everyone who went there are lucky! I wish I was there!
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Chapter 2
01 W 02 Lady Dynamite 03 1 LOVE --- Show Time --- 04 No way to say 05 Together When... -------------------- 06 Movin' on without you 07 Lelio 08 XOXO -------------------- 09 We are the QUEENS 10 Survivor 11 talkin' 2 myself 12 Startin' 13 evolution 14 Love song 15 NOW & 4EVA --------------------- ENCORE ~Sorrow Instrumental~ 16 Days 17 Feel the love ~ Merry-go-round 18 Boys & Girls 19 The Show Must Go On DOUBLE ENCORE 20 MY ALL |
I'm also grudging over Words. That's the best song in the album imo. I know she's more of a legacy singer, but this tour is supposedly held to promote that album.
And I agree, vocals aside, I'm really impressed that she's able to sing all those high energy songs for 2.5 hours straight. I think she was better vocally at the Kyoto show that I attended, so maybe she's just tired at the Tokyo CDL. Just for the record No way to say is a hard song, I tried that song at a Karaoke in Japan last week and it killed me... I think she should just steer clear if that song's out of her vocal range now. |
Arhhh Give me back aeternal!!
Only 2 songs from TROUBLE in Chapter 2.. |
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The fact that she ditched The way I am and aeternal is a scandal.
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I really enjoyed the Evolution performance from CDL - loved how the arrangement sounded closer to the studio recording.
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Idk what y'all talking about she sounded fine, not the best, but it was ok. The show was good, heck much more enjoyable than the last 2 CDL's. I mean the only complaint i have, and it not even a big deal, was the venue. Y'all complain too much.
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^yes, he and Ayu performed ANother Song... and Dream On instead of Ayu doing Feel The Love ~ Merry-go-round
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LIVE TOUR -TROUBLE- 2018-2019 A Chapter 2 2019.01.06 UTSUNOMIYA 01 WARNING 02 W 03 Lady Dynamite 04 1LOVE 05 No way to say 06 æternal 07 Movin’ on without you 08 Lelio 09 XOXO 10 We are the QUEENS 11 Startin’ 12 evolution 13 talkin’ 2 myself 14 Love Song 15 NOW & 4EVA ———— Encore 16 Sorrow -instrumental- 17 Days 18 Feel the love ~ Merry-go-round 19 Boys & Girls 20 The Show Must Go On Double Encore 21 MY ALL |
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Bah, why didn't she sing it at Ibaraki? It's my favourite song from the new album. I was super happy to see her regardless. We were row 21 so we were pretty close to the stage. Seeing her that close was such a blessing. I'll remember it forever. :luv2
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Startin sounded really good in that video. Her voice was really strong.
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I was hoping Together When... would stay :( I would take WARNING over Survivor any time!
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I'm surprised she kept No way to say over Together when. That was easily the worst vocal performance from the CDL. It was so sad to see her bomb a top classic. I was just saying she should probably just cut that song for good if it's out of her vocal range now. The same goes for Days. Her voice sounds so waxy in that song. I'd rather listen to How beautiful you are if she sounds better in it, and I don't care for that song at all.
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This thread is now cursed. NURSE!
J/k, but also I can totally see now why Ayu’s team went back on allowing fans to freely take pictures with their phones during the show. That photo is definitely not too flattering. Further, in regards to the setlist changes, I wholeheartedly agree that it was criminal to ditch YOU and The way I am for the new setlist additions, but a part of me believes that as much as we love these songs, Ayu herself probably gets bored with them in one way or another. I have a single Ayu playlist of about 20-25 songs I listen to regularly that I feel gets updated rather frequently just to keep it fresh or make it more cohesive. She could've also just realized that these songs weren't getting the kind of response she was hoping. In the case of YOU, I can see how if she has a lot of newer fans attending the shows(which seems to be the case from watching the last few concerts), this song probably doesn't do much for them. The way I am(in Acappella no less) probably doesn't get much of a crowd response. At the end of the day, as long as this woman keeps herself happy is all that matters. She definitely deserves it after the exhausting touring schedule she's had for the past year! |
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^ 1 LOVE was only performed during CdM concerts and the 2016 TA tour...it wasn’t included in Just the beginning, Made in Japan, TA 2015 nor POM2018.
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This forum always exaggerates. She performs something in more than 2 concerts: OMG SHE ALWAYS SINGS IT I'M SO SICK OF IT!
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Yes, she sings Boys & Girls in every concert and I was bored of it too.
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I think Ayu's always been pretty good at shaking up her setlists, while keeping the classics that fans that don't get to see her regularly will appreciate being present. However, I am hoping that the A^3 date will be lean more towards including a greater selection of classics, though JTB and Made in Japan did this pretty well imo.
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Wasn't A song for XX the song that put her on the map? Tbh she has soooo many hits she could pretty much just throw darts to decide what to sing. I'm still not very fond of Boys & girls even after hearing it live, although the entire audience singing Sorrows to the lyrics on the screen was quite an experience. I do wish she shakes things up, cuz I might try to see her again while I'm still in Asia, but a trip to Japan is still quite a big deal. I do hope she filters it a bit. As much as everybody loves No way to say, it was quite sad and cringy to hear those vocals at the CDL.
I still think the no photo policy is dumb. Most fans are just trying to snap a souvenir to remember the show by. Everybody knows there are better and prettier official photos of Ayu online, and they're not trying to compete with those photos. They just want to remember it from their seating view, an experience that's personal. Why else would people pay so much to see Ayu in person from across the hall, instead of just buying the DVD release? I'll respect Japan's laws and culture, but oh come on. |
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That said, if she put effort into new arrangements, it could work really well. In TA2015 she sang M at the show I went to, which was swapped out for Last Minute on the recording date and it was the more rock arrangement like the first PoM. It definitely suited her voice very well. Dearest, on the other hand, hasn't really had a great performance since the time it was a single (and all of those performances were great). So I'm OK if she doesn't sing that one live again - it just doesn't work for her now. |
1 LOVE is one of my favourite songs, so I don't mind. Plus, I find her version of the TROUBLE tour much more refined, than other times. The choreo is perfect right now!
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Most song that are boring ob DVD are not boring when you see her live, except My name is women, this song just pisses me off even when I see the concert live in person xD
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When I saw the 1LOVE performance for the frist time (in CdM Tour) it was really amazing. The audience response to all the sex references was insane. It was really enjoyable. I don't think I'll ever be bored while going to her concerts. It's not that she's doing everything the same, there's always something new here and there to keep us excited.
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This tour already is already a fresh breath of air compared to her recent shows so I'm happy. Come on we get new props, new visuals for 1 Love (and they are really cool) and overall she seems to enjoy it a lot. That makes me anticipate her April arena concerts even more.
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I personally don’t mind seeing WARNING often. It’s so much fun live.
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I still think her current voice would be really great for an acoustic live set a.k.a my holy trinity: Secret, Sweet Scar and Shape of Love, she could just sit there and sing without forcing her voice too much or shouting and I really love those songs and acoustics sets in general :laugh
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Nooo... I don't like the most rearrangements... Bold & Delicious, ourselves, forgiveness and Born To Be... are ruined forever...
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^ To me, it's Evan's famous trio cause he mentioned it so many times already, but I love all of those songs. Sweet scar is pure beauty and I need it to land on some concert DVD finally!
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Sky High Same! she really should!
freedreamer I love those songs! I have a small playlist with just the 3 of them, I'd love an acoustic set from Ayu :yes maxikot Yup, I'm guilty! (no pun intended lol) I always talk about those songs is just I love them so much :laugh |
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