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Uknow! 15th August 2018 11:11 AM

The Official Oricon Thread of TROUBLE
 
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Digital Ranking
1st Week (only 3 days)*
Position: #12
Official sales: 856

2nd Week
Position: #6
Official sales: 1,476

Total sales: 2,332

Physical Ranking
1st Week
Spoiler:

1st Day
Position: #2
Official sales: 18,360

2nd Day
Position: #4
Official sales: less than 4,200.

3rd Day
Position: #4

4th Day
Position: #4

5th Day
Position: #6

6th Day
Position: #13

1st Week
Position: #3
Official Total Sales: 24,147


2nd Week
Spoiler:

1st Day
Position: #38

2nd Day
Position: #7

3rd Day
Position: #27

4th Day
Position: #5

5th Day
Position: #16

6th Day
Position: #25

2nd Week
Position: #19
Official Total Sales: 3,669


3rd Week
1st Day
Position: #Out of top 50
2nd Day
Position: #38

Total Sales: 32,538

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corvina (Post 3292622)
The yearly Oricon charts are out.

TROUBLE is at #134 with sales of 32,538.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/s1E2RR.png



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Spoiler:
1st week Billboard

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corvina (Post 3284214)
◎Billboard JAPAN Top Albums Sales
(2018年8月13日~8月19日までの集計)
1位『Future Pop』Perfume 80,655枚
2位『海のOh, Yeah!!』サザンオールスターズ 52,857枚
3位『TROUBLE』浜崎あゆみ 24,925枚
4位『スウィートナー ~スペシャル・プライス・エディション』アリアナ・グランデ 10,24 4枚
5位『初恋』宇多田ヒカル 6,031枚

Billboard sales are usually a bit higher than Oricon even though they count a day less.

First 2 days

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aderianu (Post 3283536)
◎Billboard JAPAN Album Sales Report (aggregated from 2018.8.13~8.15)
1 -『Future Pop』Perfume 61,923 copies
2 -『海のOh, Yeah!!』Southern All Stars 26,32 copies
3 -『TROUBLE』Ayumi Hamasaki 21,042 copies
4 -『初恋』Utada Hikaru 2,835 copies
5 -『Finally』Namie Amuro 2,586 copies
※ Billboard JAPAN uses the data about CD sales from SoundScan Japan.

http://www.billboard-japan.com/d_news/detail/66677/2

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Top 3 (1st day)
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M(A)DE IN JAPAN
1st day

Position: #2
Sales: 19,898

Total: 40,608

*It was released early on saturday (8/11), thanks to Corvina for the info.
**Structure of the thread by ayumisrael

Chris_Duvall 15th August 2018 11:31 AM

Nice! I hope the sales will further increase

Cahz- 15th August 2018 11:41 AM

Not bad at all. And 1k more than Sixxxxxx, if TROUBLE can reach 30k on the first week that would be awesome.

melissalove 15th August 2018 11:43 AM

For a small album with no pv’s trouble is doing great. I’m excited, praying for 40k!!

maxikot 15th August 2018 11:48 AM

Honestly, I am not buying those digital sales numbers. If in some chinese digital shop people bought 18k of Trouble and it was days ago, this doesn't convince me. I am happy with the physical sales, though ;- )

Corvina 15th August 2018 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cahz- (Post 3283374)
Not bad at all. And 1k more than Sixxxxxx, if TROUBLE can reach 30k on the first week that would be awesome.

Made in Japan also sold more than Sixxxxxx on its first day, but about 5k less than it in total.
It all depends on how TROUBLE is doing through the week, but 30k in total would already be great altogether.

njanjayrp 15th August 2018 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corvina (Post 3283378)
Made in Japan also sold more than Sixxxxxx on its first day, but about 5k less than it in total.
It all depends on how TROUBLE is doing through the week, but 30k in total would already be great altogether.

I hope it manages to sell 5k tomorrow...

Corvina 15th August 2018 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njanjayrp (Post 3283380)
I hope it manages to sell 5k tomorrow...

I'd love that!
Sixxxxxx had those, but A ONE and Made in Japan both were at #4 for their 2nd day.

Seeing how successful it was to bundle the concerts with the album in mu-mo versions, I wonder if they're going to do those more often now. xD

Cahz- 15th August 2018 12:15 PM

As someone mentioned earlier, I saw a lot of people posting their TROUBLE boxes on Instagram. It made me jealous.
Anyway, at least we know she's earning good money.:P

njanjayrp 15th August 2018 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maxikot (Post 3283377)
Honestly, I am not buying those digital sales numbers. If in some chinese digital shop people bought 18k of Trouble and it was days ago, this doesn't convince me. I am happy with the physical sales, though ;- )

They are so underwhelming I find them hard to believe too.

Yoake 15th August 2018 12:31 PM

I'm surprised that TROUBLE is #2. For an album who only got a month of promo among the fans and some days for the general public that's kinda good I think.

Sky High 15th August 2018 12:42 PM

Physical sales are going pretty well. :)

AyuGAME 15th August 2018 02:49 PM

I'm satisfied with lack of promotion, no MV to promote even one song. Very rush announcement. That's good number, I believe the drop will be steep though on 2nd day

hud 15th August 2018 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maxikot (Post 3283377)
Honestly, I am not buying those digital sales numbers. If in some chinese digital shop people bought 18k of Trouble and it was days ago, this doesn't convince me.

do you have more info on this?

also I believe the digital numbers are pretty real. last week Hikki was #1 with 2k copies

Ruan Borges 15th August 2018 03:07 PM

I was expecting much less, she's doing great tho!

maxikot 15th August 2018 03:09 PM

^^ Here:
https://screenshotscdn.firefoxuserco...4ba2e9f355.png

Sky High 15th August 2018 03:18 PM

Maybe they are counting digital sales only in Japan.

maxikot 15th August 2018 03:20 PM

Yes, they are. I am just saying that I can't help but be in awe how poor digital market is in Japan.

KarenPang 15th August 2018 03:21 PM

Surprised at TROUBLE 1st day physical CD sales despite the circumstances , let's see how much it will drop in days to come

The supposedly online shop in China that consolidated the purchased copies of TROUBLE online , it's Taobao which's like Ebay

Taobao does not have any physical stores in China , unlike 5music Taiwan

The baidu thread - http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5826962046

I think the baidu users are buying TROUBLE as much as possible digitally , I don't think it's Taobao doing that cos they're just there to facilitate in helping the users buy the songs ?

I don't know though I could be wrong :confused

Corvina 15th August 2018 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KarenPang (Post 3283421)
Surprised at TROUBLE 1st day physical CD sales despite the circumstances , let's see how much it will drop in days to come

The supposedly online shop in China that consolidated the purchased copies of TROUBLE online , it's Taobao which's like Ebay

Taobao does not have any physical stores in China , unlike 5music Taiwan

The baidu thread - http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5826962046

I think the baidu users are buying TROUBLE as much as possible digitally , I don't think it's Taobao doing that cos they're just there to facilitate in helping the users buy the songs ?

I don't know though I could be wrong :confused

Yeah, from what I gathered that's a user (?) selling the album for 8 Yuan.
Which is damn cheap and I doubt avex is selling the whole album for that.
It's just strange, would love to know more.

But she seems to be more valued in China than in Japan from the comments I've read.

maxikot 15th August 2018 03:26 PM

Hmm I asked him because I was curious myself and he told me that full albums cost 15-30 yuan, so it's the normal price for a mini.

KarenPang 15th August 2018 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corvina (Post 3283422)
Yeah, from what I gathered that's a user (?) selling the album for 8 Yuan.
Which is damn cheap and I doubt avex is selling the whole album for that.
It's just strange, would love to know more.

But she seems to be more valued in China than in Japan from the comments I've read.

The 1st post the Baidu user created , he/she basically just writes that he/she wants to get many other Baidu users to purchase TROUBLE digitally while trying to hit a certain number quota

Frankly I don't know how this Baidu user is doing that cos 8 Yen seems unlikely to buy all the songs in TROUBLE online

8 China Renminbi is more likely but even if so , that's about S$1.60+ / 130 Yen + which's super duper cheap to buy 5 songs digitally o_O

summerain 15th August 2018 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maxikot (Post 3283377)
Honestly, I am not buying those digital sales numbers. If in some chinese digital shop people bought 18k of Trouble and it was days ago, this doesn't convince me. I am happy with the physical sales, though ;- )

Digital sales in China seems more appealing than in Japan. I see Utada's numbers and she's doing amazing for Oricon standards, but it's like... 8k, 3k each week.

ayumint 15th August 2018 04:01 PM

In Thailand, TROUBLE is cost at only 3usd or approx.280-300jpy for whole album in iTune

aliceshields 15th August 2018 04:08 PM

MY iTune store @ RM19.50, roughly Yen¥526

hud 15th August 2018 05:11 PM

thanks for the screenshot maxikot! that's interesting

SunshineSlayer 15th August 2018 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maxikot (Post 3283420)
Yes, they are. I am just saying that I can't help but be in awe how poor digital market is in Japan.

Oh, yeah it's terrible. I'm sure that number is correct. Oricon has a very small amount of sources it uses for digital sales if I remember correctly.

summerain 15th August 2018 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 3283437)
Oh, yeah it's terrible. I'm sure that number is correct. Oricon has a very small amount of sources it uses for digital sales if I remember correctly.

It's small, but I guess they count iTunes, mora.jp and Recochoku, right? They're the biggest digital download services in Japan.

I think digital downloads are not that popular at all.

URANUS 15th August 2018 07:14 PM

Those physical sales are pretty good. I hope this album will have longevity. I need Ayu to break 50k again.

Hikki is the only artist in Japan who can achieve high physical sales and high digital downloads.

attractive nausea 15th August 2018 07:22 PM

^ You mean that Namie is bad at digital sales? I didn't know that.

If this is slightly higher than sixxxxxx then I am satisfied! But I am wondering why do you guys say that this is surprising that she got this number despite the lack of promo, do you actually think that those 18k were bought by non Ayu fans? lol Out of these 18k copies there must be like at most 1 or 2% bought by the general public. The promo (or the lack of promo) has no impact on Ayu's sales nowadays, the number of fans does.

SunshineSlayer 15th August 2018 08:02 PM

^Amuro has high digital sales; at least on Recochoku as far as I know. Hero alone is certified for double platinum (500,000 digital sales).

There is something very odd about how Oricon is doing its digital sales chart. I'm sure Ayu's digital sales are more than 856, but in terms of the Oricon chart, I'm sure that's correct because they always show such low digital sales numbers for people, while other places like RIAJ and Billboard seem to report higher; that might just be my impression though. I haven't actually looked up statistics.

AyuCanada 15th August 2018 08:05 PM

I was expecting a huge drop from her previous releases. I'm surprised she is between Sixxxxxx and Made in Japan.

rainbow_smile 15th August 2018 08:40 PM

Maybe RIAJ and Billboard include the online streams, not just downloads? Besides, someone has said that LINE MUSIC is one of the most popular platforms, and apparently it's not included on Oricon?

Ruan Borges 15th August 2018 09:23 PM

Gosh, just realised how much i've miss the "charts & rankings" threads, it's been a while!

Hope the album will have longevity, so the thread stays alive, cause I don't expect big amount of physical releases coming from ayu these days.

mi|kshake 15th August 2018 09:34 PM

Sales are looking good! I was thinking worst case scenario she would sell 20k total.

Cahz- 15th August 2018 09:51 PM

To my surprise she has climbed a lot of spots from yesterday on digital stores:

Recochoku general: #5 http://recochoku.jp/ranking/album/daily/
Recochoku hi res: #1 http://recochoku.jp/ranking/hires_album/daily/
Mora: #13 and #21 http://mora.jp/ranking?term=lrank24&genre=all

If anyone could provide iTunes position that would be great.

EndOfTheWorld 15th August 2018 11:25 PM

I actually felt like TROUBLE would sell generally well so I these sales are what I expected. I'm glad it is selling well but I hope that it doesn't send a message to release more albums like TROUBLE.:dead2

Ruan Borges 16th August 2018 12:22 AM

iTunes real time

Top Songs https://kworb.net/popjp/

53. æternal


Top Albums https://kworb.net/charts/aitunes/jp.html

4. TROUBLE - EP
26. A SUMMER BEST
100. A COMPLETE ~ALL SINGLES~

Corvina 16th August 2018 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer (Post 3283451)
^Amuro has high digital sales; at least on Recochoku as far as I know. Hero alone is certified for double platinum (500,000 digital sales).

There is something very odd about how Oricon is doing its digital sales chart. I'm sure Ayu's digital sales are more than 856, but in terms of the Oricon chart, I'm sure that's correct because they always show such low digital sales numbers for people, while other places like RIAJ and Billboard seem to report higher; that might just be my impression though. I haven't actually looked up statistics.

Billboard counts everything together - digital sales, streams, radio plays.
Digital sales for albums aren't that good, never were. There are just very few albums certified Gold for 100k of digital sales ever- you can see a list in the RIAJ thread I made in the Asian Music section.

Oricon counts all big digital sales platforms (pure digital sales, no streams, just like RIAJ!)
iTunes alone is making about 60% of all digital sales in Japan, then there's Recochoku with about 20% if I remember correctly and the rest are others.
Ok, saw those numbers last in 2014, but I don't think they have changed that much in terms of distribution.
iTunes has probably even risen higher in numbers after that.

Uknow! 16th August 2018 11:28 AM

I think Ayu will lost the second position, she sold less than 4.000 copies today and Southern All Stars sold 10.000 copies.

KarenPang 16th August 2018 11:29 AM

2nd day - #4

https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5842909466

Cahz- 16th August 2018 12:08 PM

Number 3 is 4218, I hope she's still on the 4k range for today.

yamadashun 16th August 2018 12:12 PM

Around 20K for 2 days.

Sky High 16th August 2018 12:16 PM

I hope she sells at least 30k.

njanjayrp 16th August 2018 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sky High (Post 3283530)
I hope she sells at least 30k.

I think she can manage 30k.

Aderianu 16th August 2018 01:26 PM

◎Billboard JAPAN Album Sales Report (aggregated from 2018.8.13~8.15)
1 -『Future Pop』Perfume 61,923 copies
2 -『海のOh, Yeah!!』Southern All Stars 26,32 copies
3 -『TROUBLE』Ayumi Hamasaki 21,042 copies
4 -『初恋』Utada Hikaru 2,835 copies
5 -『Finally』Namie Amuro 2,586 copies
※ Billboard JAPAN uses the data about CD sales from SoundScan Japan.

http://www.billboard-japan.com/d_news/detail/66677/2

chu-lips 16th August 2018 02:25 PM

I miss her monster million seller...
Kinda sad seeing it now
Just saying...
#nooffend anyone...

I love words its so ayuish...

hud 16th August 2018 06:02 PM

I hope she can hit 30k and that's it. at least I guess this pays for another release lol

Cahz- 16th August 2018 10:37 PM

Recochoku general: Up to #4 http://recochoku.jp/ranking/album/daily/
Recochoku hi res: Down to #4 http://recochoku.jp/ranking/hires_album/daily/
Mora: Hi res version up to #11 and regular version down to #31 http://mora.jp/ranking?term=lrank24&genre=all

cosmicfirefly 16th August 2018 10:41 PM

I think that's pretty good for a mini album with 2 songs released 1-2 years ago, and promo basically geared to fans. It seemed like she was doing well on streaming too, so I'm happy with this.

TriStar 16th August 2018 11:16 PM

Tbh, I am really surprised by those sales. For me, this is the most shitty Ayu release ever and I expected a total flop. Don't understany why people are buying this other than because of the name "Ayumi Hamasaki" on it.

mi|kshake 16th August 2018 11:25 PM

OMG Ayu, Hikki and Namie next to each other in the charts, probably for the last time.

Cahz- 16th August 2018 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TriStar (Post 3283592)
Tbh, I am really surprised by those sales. For me, this is the most shitty Ayu release ever and I expected a total flop. Don't understany why people are buying this other than because of the name "Ayumi Hamasaki" on it.

You know, people have different tastes. What you consider her worst others may consider it her best or feel very connected with the songs. I consider no more words and Voyage studio version the most boring and dull songs on Earth but many Ayu fans seems to love and worship those two.

LONJJONG 17th August 2018 01:45 AM

^ I worship Voyage and no more words :bawl

HilaryDuffFanboy 17th August 2018 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LONJJONG (Post 3283598)
^ I worship Voyage and no more words :bawl

Same. no more words gives me chills.

Voyage live performances at the last few tours have been so emotional.

melissalove 17th August 2018 04:26 AM

20k in 2 days, that’s really good!! 40k is in sight!! Praying.

KarenPang 17th August 2018 11:06 AM

3rd day - #4 again

https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5844301043

Uknow! 17th August 2018 11:15 AM

Thanks, Karen!

Sky High 17th August 2018 11:47 AM

Good to hear that she is still keeping that 4th place. So now it is sold around 23k.

inspire_rmx 17th August 2018 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mi|kshake (Post 3283593)
OMG Ayu, Hikki and Namie next to each other in the charts, probably for the last time.

:yes my same thoughts too.

jbrat2219 17th August 2018 05:30 PM

Physical sales look great! Even if it's not my favorite release, I'm glad it's doing well.

love in music 17th August 2018 07:22 PM

I'm happy for her as well with these sales. Good for her, but I hope these nice sales don't give avex any more ideas about releasing 5 track "albums" in the future.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cahz- (Post 3283594)
You know, people have different tastes. What you consider her worst others may consider it her best or feel very connected with the songs. I consider no more words and Voyage studio version the most boring and dull songs on Earth but many Ayu fans seems to love and worship those two.

True it seems like some people think just because they dislike something everyone else has to too :laugh

I'm wondering which song her Japanese fans like the most on the album. They seem to be liking it overall, but I'm sure there's one track that really sold the album to them. Maybe æternal?

Diego-kun 17th August 2018 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by love in music (Post 3283711)
They seem to be liking it overall, but I'm sure there's one track that really sold the album to them. Maybe æternal?

Definitely it's æternal. It's the song she performed in Music Fair and the one with a higher position in digital charts.

stepYOU1234 17th August 2018 08:51 PM

I have to say this is better than I was expecting (I tend to think realistically rather than hopefully for sales nowadays!) I wonder if Music Fair helped as her vocals were good and æternal was a lovely performance. If it means future releases get more lives for promotion then yay!

summerain 17th August 2018 09:26 PM

I think what helped the most was the box set. The first day sales are substantially better than the rest of the week because it included mu-mo pre-sales.

Ruan Borges 17th August 2018 10:15 PM

Everyone loves a fancy box set, it's a pity I can't afford.

KarenPang 18th August 2018 11:23 AM

4th day - #4 for the 3rd straight day

https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5845528058

rainbow_smile 18th August 2018 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by summerain (Post 3283719)
I think what helped the most was the box set. The first day sales are substantially better than the rest of the week because it included mu-mo pre-sales.

I've heard that mu-mo sales don't count on oricon tho?

toby19900206 18th August 2018 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rainbow_smile (Post 3283796)
I've heard that mu-mo sales don't count on oricon tho?

ミュゥモ(mu-mo) do count on Oricon.

https://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/about/

rainbow_smile 18th August 2018 03:17 PM

^ Ohhh thanks, I think I've seen someone say that it doesn't count bc it's owned by avex and always wondered how true that is

Is it true that fanclub shops (for example TeamAyu shop which is technically hosted by mumo) don't count though?

~angel*ayumi~ 18th August 2018 04:11 PM

FC versions don´t count I think. Regular versions purchased through mu-mo FC link do.

KarenPang 19th August 2018 11:25 AM

5th day - #6

https://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/ja/d/2018-08-18/

Uknow! 19th August 2018 12:21 PM

Thanks, Karen. Expecting at least 25k in the first week.

Cahz- 19th August 2018 09:37 PM

Recochoku general: Down to #27 http://recochoku.jp/ranking/album/daily/
Recochoku hi res: Up to #3 http://recochoku.jp/ranking/hires_album/daily/
Mora: Hi res version down to #19 and regular version up to #26 http://mora.jp/ranking?term=lrank24&genre=all

dez0424 20th August 2018 04:55 AM

Oricon and Billboard have different sources when it comes to counting.
They overlap somewhere but the major difference is that Oricon goes with major shops, and Billboard counts some minors. (Billboard's main source is from Sound Scan Japan)
Billboard stopped disclosing numbers some time ago and that let Oricon become the only "mainstream" ranking reference.

Btw, All records shipped to non-Japan addresses do not count towards Oricon.
Oricon also established a rule for event sales a few years back, where only a maximum of 3 copies would be counted towards the ranking in 1 single transaction if sold at event booths (such as AKB events).

About digital sales, that only includes "digital purchases". Streaming is not a purchase.
Since the whole album was streamed before the physical and digital release, it's very understandable that the digital sales didn't do well. I guess they sacrificed the digital sales profit in exchange for the promotion strategy.

kendelle 20th August 2018 09:53 AM

It's so frustrating that Oricon excludes so many types of sales but she's still done a lot better than some of us were expecting (or fearing)

KarenPang 20th August 2018 11:07 AM

6th day - #13

https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5848185037

Cahz- 21st August 2018 01:02 AM

TROUBLE up to #1 on Recochoku hi res :luv2 http://recochoku.jp/ranking/hires_album/daily/

Corvina 21st August 2018 08:03 AM

◎Billboard JAPAN Top Albums Sales
(2018年8月13日~8月19日までの集計)
1位『Future Pop』Perfume 80,655枚
2位『海のOh, Yeah!!』サザンオールスターズ 52,857枚
3位『TROUBLE』浜崎あゆみ 24,925枚
4位『スウィートナー ~スペシャル・プライス・エディション』アリアナ・グランデ 10,24 4枚
5位『初恋』宇多田ヒカル 6,031枚

Billboard sales are usually a bit higher than Oricon even though they count a day less.

Sky High 21st August 2018 08:35 AM

Less than 30k, but still it is good position.

KarenPang 21st August 2018 09:05 AM

TROUBLE 1st week position/sales on Oricon - #3 ; 24,147

http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5849380272?pn=2

Not bad I expected worst especially since it's such a rushed release but at least TROUBLE sold decently

njanjayrp 21st August 2018 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KarenPang (Post 3284228)
TROUBLE 1st week position/sales on Oricon - #3 ; 24,147

http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5849380272?pn=2

Not bad I expected worst especially since it's such a rushed release but at least TROUBLE sold decently

Underwhelming. I hoped she'd reach 30k. However that's gonna be impossible as she seems to have been selling 500 copies a day.

melissalove 21st August 2018 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njanjayrp (Post 3284236)
Underwhelming. I hoped she'd reach 30k. However that's gonna be impossible as she seems to have been selling 500 copies a day.

Hopefully a nation will give her a boost. It’s too early to tell, She’s got about 6,000 copies left. praying for the best.

njanjayrp 21st August 2018 02:02 PM

How did the previous release fare in their second week?

KarenPang 21st August 2018 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njanjayrp (Post 3284259)
How did the previous release fare in their second week?

M(A)DE IN JAPAN 2nd week sales was 4,729 copies . Its 1st week sales was 30,269

http://www.ahsforum.com/forum/showpo...&postcount=102

njanjayrp 21st August 2018 02:25 PM

^ Thanks Karen. So I am guessing 2.5 k at best on the second week for TROUBLE, with a-nation perhaps 3 k.

TriStar 21st August 2018 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cahz- (Post 3283594)
You know, people have different tastes. What you consider her worst others may consider it her best or feel very connected with the songs. I consider no more words and Voyage studio version the most boring and dull songs on Earth but many Ayu fans seems to love and worship those two.

Well, seeing the overall first week sales compared with the first day sales: Looks like my theory that only fans bought it because of the name Ayumi Hamasaki on it was not that wrong. In my opinion, We Are the Queens is the only remarkable song in this album. A song that is already 2 years old. I would go even further and say that most of the sales came from the concert dvds in this record, and barely anyone bought it for the songs.

Andrenekoi 21st August 2018 05:11 PM

^I'm pretty sure they didn't offered that much boxes for selling... Ayu's DVDs sales weren't breaking the 10k copies lately.

jbrat2219 21st August 2018 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TriStar (Post 3284274)
Well, seeing the overall first week sales compared with the first day sales: Looks like my theory that only fans bought it because of the name Ayumi Hamasaki on it was not that wrong. In my opinion, We Are the Queens is the only remarkable song in this album. A song that is already 2 years old. I would go even further and say that most of the sales came from the concert dvds in this record, and barely anyone bought it for the songs.

I don't know, these songs seem to fit right in with Japanese tastes. But I think nearly everything else about this release put it at a major disadvantage.

njanjayrp 21st August 2018 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TriStar (Post 3284274)
Well, seeing the overall first week sales compared with the first day sales: Looks like my theory that only fans bought it because of the name Ayumi Hamasaki on it was not that wrong. In my opinion, We Are the Queens is the only remarkable song in this album. A song that is already 2 years old. I would go even further and say that most of the sales came from the concert dvds in this record, and barely anyone bought it for the songs.

aeternal and The way I am are actually way more popular with the Japanese fans. Nothing wrong with supporting your favorite artist and whatever you pre-otder you usually purchase based on trust not knowing whether you’ll actually like it.

orbitalaspect 21st August 2018 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TriStar (Post 3284274)
Well, seeing the overall first week sales compared with the first day sales: Looks like my theory that only fans bought it because of the name Ayumi Hamasaki on it was not that wrong. In my opinion, We Are the Queens is the only remarkable song in this album. A song that is already 2 years old. I would go even further and say that most of the sales came from the concert dvds in this record, and barely anyone bought it for the songs.

My guess is that the week of streaming ahead of release hurt sales, as well as the fact that it was advertised as a new "album" but only contains five tracks, of which only three are new recordings, and that there were no PVs. However, worth noting that her first week sales for TROUBLE are more than Koda's total sales for AND, which did have the full album treatment.

I love TROUBLE. I think it's the most Ayu thing we've seen from Ayu since NL/GUILTY, but looking at it from 30,000 feet, I think it would be more meaningful for her to deliver A BEST 3 with 5-7 new songs, re-recorded PVs/songs—like Namie's Finally—than focus on original material right now. Recreate some of those memorable Lumix or Panasonic or BOSS CMs, maybe do a sequel photobook to (miss)understood. Something creative and interesting and nostalgic for fans while still being fresh.

And on the plus side, if she finds she's just not that into the whole experience anymore, she can reasonably retire after a release like that and it won't feel as much like we're watching a star burn itself out bit by bit, year over year.

Katsuyuki012 21st August 2018 07:56 PM

^well, she won't retire.

oaristos 22nd August 2018 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by KarenPang (Post 3284228)
TROUBLE 1st week position/sales on Oricon - #3 ; 24,147

http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5849380272?pn=2

Not bad I expected worst especially since it's such a rushed release but at least TROUBLE sold decently

Good sales, especially since there's nothing special about this release (no music videos, only three new songs, etc). That really shows that even though Ayumi is not as popular as she used to be, her fan base is quite solid. :yes

ayu-marco 22nd August 2018 02:08 AM

I think it is not fair to judge the popularity of ayu music based on the physical album sales. Like me, I haven’t bought the physical albums in the recent years. I only buy music in iTunes.

I have lots of ayu stuff in these 20 years. My flat barely has space to store any more.

Linza-mo 22nd August 2018 08:25 AM

Yesterday I realised that even with this kind of sale numbers, Ayu still in the top 15 of the best solo artist (12rd with A ONE and and 13 with MIJ)

Of course that's normal to compare with her past or with Namie/Hikki etc... but if you look at the japanese market now, solo artist who does very well are not really common.
Ayu's results are not good but are "normal", don't make the situation seem worse than it is guys :D

Of course I'm disapointed for TROUBLE too and I still hope a futur success.

(For exemple when I see Ai Otsuka's sale I feel so sad and angry, her last albums are really good and she's touring a lot, but she keep going her career and project, and that's great)

KarenPang 22nd August 2018 12:43 PM

2nd week day 1 - #38

http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5850898180?pn=4

Chris_Duvall 22nd August 2018 12:46 PM

^
man, I was hoping it would stay in the top 20 for at least two weeks.
Fingers crossed that a-nation will give it a nice little boost though!

rainbow_smile 22nd August 2018 02:07 PM

It's natural for an artist to decline in sales and popularity. Not everyone is lucky like Namie, and even she didn't always maintain her peak afaik. Also, sales and popularity don't define how good the music is. Besides, trends and peoples' tastes change

Andrenekoi 22nd August 2018 03:25 PM

^Namie had very low sales for that period standarts during the 1st half of the 00's and her sales were declining again. Had she not retired she would be at the same point Ayu is right now in a few years.

Also, people used to say the same shit about Namie they say about Ayu nowadays during her lowest.

There's nothing extraordinary happening, really.

Ruan Borges 22nd August 2018 04:53 PM

Sometimes I feel that people have a fetish for artists to retire lol

The sales are fine, I'm happy with TROUBLE, but I want new music already >_<


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