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PinkShinigami 8th February 2009 07:11 AM

Illegal?
 
What videos is actually illegal uploading?

PVs?

making of?

CMs?

Lives?

Interviews?

AyuReady?

Edit: What about photobooks, booklest etc.?

Is it illegal to upload a live song, if it's only 1 song itself? Or if it isn't from a DVD?

pommy48 8th February 2009 07:16 AM

do you mean for AHS or for streaming sites? @_@

PinkShinigami 8th February 2009 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pommy408 (Post 1817270)
do you mean for AHS or for streaming sites? @_@

For my website

But i guess it's the same, isn't it? ^^

pommy48 8th February 2009 07:27 AM

hmm PVs and making of for sure, since you can buy the CD+DVD version of albums...but about the rest i'm not really sure @_@

i would think everything related to ayu is illegal since you don't own the copyrights to those videos

PinkShinigami 8th February 2009 07:32 AM

But is it illegal if you can't buy it? Like TV performances?

ownsarai 8th February 2009 07:36 AM

I would say anything that is copyrighted by avex would be illegal.

pommy48 8th February 2009 07:36 AM

well just think of the kinds of videos that avex make youtube delete and live performances are one of them, the copyrights of everything ayumi hamasaki still belong to avex~

PinkShinigami 8th February 2009 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ownsarai (Post 1817306)
I would say anything that is copyrighted by avex would be illegal.

Then the question is: What is copyrighted? ;)

ownsarai 8th February 2009 07:39 AM

^Pretty much anything released by avex.

pommy48 8th February 2009 07:40 AM

Quote:

Copyright (or ©) is a form of intellectual property which gives the creator of an original work exclusive rights for a certain time period in relation to that work, including its publication, distribution and adaptation
from wiki

so ayu is the creator of her music, but she's owned by avex, so whatever ayu produce, sing live, it's avex's

ownsarai 8th February 2009 07:41 AM

^Exactly.

PinkShinigami 8th February 2009 07:44 AM

So.. I may not upload ANYTHING >.<

ownsarai 8th February 2009 07:45 AM

It's better to be safe than sorry.

noidea 8th February 2009 11:54 AM

Yes, uploading ANYTHING is forbidden, even uploading CMs, because the company for which the CMs are have the rights on them, TV-Lives are illegal because the Channel(or show) has the rights, PV rights are by avex, making-of rights are by avex, concert-rights(even if its only 10 seconds) are by avex, interview-rights are usually owned by the paper/show that makes the interview, ayuready shows are probably by avex, too and photobooks are either by the photographer and avex pays for each printing of it or avex bought them from the photographers

Delirium-Zer0 8th February 2009 05:49 PM

The only thing that would be legal is if you took video of ayu yourself when meeting her (not during a concert or anything).

jimex289 8th February 2009 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PinkShinigami (Post 1817324)
So.. I may not upload ANYTHING >.<

Hmm yeah...you don't want avex coming after you. I'm sure you'd get a warning but do at your own risk.

noidea 8th February 2009 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimex289 (Post 1817850)
Hmm yeah...you don't want avex coming after you. I'm sure you'd get a warning but do at your own risk.

It would probably depend on how much and what is uploaded, if you upload whole dvds in high quality and avex finds out about it...you can be pretty sure your going to prison or gotta pay MUCH money(possibly several thousends) but if its a pv in low quality theyll probably just send you a message asking you to take it off the internet

jimex289 8th February 2009 08:08 PM

The way you put it is pretty scary man haha.

ArchangelLegend 8th February 2009 08:46 PM

Don't worry, you can upload (with restriction).

If you look at the wikipedia page for Ayu, they used pictures and music samples. The pictures are not in its original size and quality. The music samples are very short and the quality is low. All these are copyrighted but their use are not illegal because the nature of it is to just inform the reader, rather than to simply copy and upload the original for everyone to download. This is an example of "fair use".

Another example is everyone's avatar or signature here with pictures. All of these in some degree are copyrighted. But we can excercise our right to fair use by making the image smaller with lesser quality and with lots of modification. (Though uploading the original image here is illegal).

If you want to make a legit website, ask yourself if its of fair use. You can use short samples from songs with lesser quality. The same goes for images (photobooks, magazines, booklets, etc.). You can transform the music into midi files (I haven't seen those in a while). You can make your own covers and remixes or take others if you have their permission. If you know music, sheet music is fine. You can make your own avatars or custom signatures or flash animation. You can take a few screenshots of a live concert or of a CM, but with small size and less quality. Or you can do the same with Ayuready and make a summary of what happened in the episode.

Yes, you can upload these things depending on how you use it.

The following site is about copyright and fair use.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJn_jC4FNDo
This is actually an informative comedy. The video is made up of entirely of copyrighted characters and clips from movies. However, the nature of this video is totally different from its original that the company, in this case Disney, cannot sue the maker of this video.

I hope this helps. The concept of fair use is a tricky subject since it is a gray area between what's legal and not legal. Because of that, it is a very common dispute in court.


For a real life current example...
Spoiler:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MNU412FKRL.DTL

In this particular case, August 2008, a mother made and uploaded a 29 second clip video of her 13 month old son dancing to Prince's song "Let's Go Crazy" on Youtube. Eventually, Youtube deleted the vid as ordered by Universal Music, who owned the copyright. Then Youtube restored the vid since the mom said it was legal and then the mom sued Universal Music. This happen because I quote the site, "the federal judge ruled that copyright holders can't order one of their songs removed from the Web without first checking to see if the excerpt was so small and innocuous that it was legal".

Why was this fair use? Several reasons, the nature of the vid is totally different. It's really more about her son dancing than the song. It's only 29 seconds. The sound quality of the song is much lower. The commercial value is little to none. And as the judge said, it's small and innocuous.


Just keep in mind copyright laws may be different from country to country. I'm speaking from the U.S.

emi♡ 9th February 2009 06:10 AM

Looking at your location, and the fact that there are tons of sites to which to download discographys and such...

I'd say, you're fine.

They will not send you to jail, maybe if you were located in Japan.

If that were true, AHS would have been gone years ago.

Think about what we do here. Everything here is illegal, down to the translated TA messages and maybe even the mag scans.


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