[ayumixfan]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

Well... to be a good singer everybody needs to take some vocal training... There are a lot of pop performers that don't really know how to breath, how to use his/her voice, how to sing while moving, how to project his/her voice...
Most of pop singers aren't amazing vocalists and don't have great voices... their voices don't have good range (like... their high and low notes aren't very high and very low compared to their mid-notes) and don't have much potence (they can't sing "loud") but even so, can use it good enough for their own songs... Ayu, Hikki, Namie, Madonna, Kylie, Gwen, etc. aren't stunning singers... But they learned how to take good use of their voices, so, even if they are not amazing vocalists, they are medium or good ones... (like... 3 of 5 stars ).

Rihanna, Avril, Kate Perry, Mika, Koda, Ai Otsuka, Britney... they all aren't very good (0 to 2 stars :B), but even so, they can improve a lot if they take some effort on it (Avril's singing is really better now than it used to be... Koda is improving with time too... Ayumi was terrible back in her 1998-2002 era)

Some amazing vocalists would be... Alan, Ayaka, Ayaka Hirahara, Shimatani, Christina, Beyonce, Celine, Mariah, Kate Hudson... even if I don't like their music or voices (Christina and Mariah, don't like their voices at all), I can't say they are bad singers... Cause they nearly aways are amazing vocalists

By the way... Being a good vocalist is not only about singing in a beautiful way... If the singer keeps singing without any coaching, he/she can damage his/her voice for good... Ayu lost her voice past year because of this at AT08, remember? ^^

I think this is a matter of opinion XD Like I REALLY think Utada Hikaru has AMAZING vocals. I'm actually really surprised you said her vocals aren't good. Same for Namie. And personally I think Utada hikaru's vocals are like a lot better than alan's. Like IMO when alan hits her chorus in ashita he no sanka, her voice does NOT sound good, it might be strong, but when she tries to hit that high note its not lovely IMO and on top of that I feel liek she sounds like a lot of chinese singers out there who don't get appreciated like she does( This is just my opinion don't flame me for it). I agree with you that there are some singers that DEFINITELY have amazing vocals, but that doesn't mean other singers don't have good vocals. They are just not as superior as mariah's or christina's.

Ayu is actually another example of why I think its an opinion. You say she's better than ai otsuka and koda kumi, but she damaged her voice from improper singing, while the other two are fine. Sure she has more years on them, but like her lives now can sometimes be atrocious while namie, koda kumi, and ai are fine. I just included namie to prove that years doesn't mean ur voice should die. But like aiko is another example anyways. She's been in the industry as long as ayu but her vocals are fine!

If you think a singer has good vocals, thats your opinion, and if you think another singer has bad vocals thats fine. lol : ) I'm just stating my opinion that its more about how people percieve it. Of course there are people with bad vocals but I think most singers have good vocals and thats why they're singing. We just don't appreciate some vocalists because we don't like the sound of their voice.