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Originally Posted by MissElin_

It's such a lame excuse to say that there is no point of being against fur since the industry wont change. That's just a fact for lazy people. I can't think of ANYONE who have seen these movies and pictures who still say "there is no use"... That is just heartcold.

I couldn't agree more.

Originally Posted by MissElin_

And it's veeeery possible to change the industry.

For an example. In Sweden last year this swedish reporter started to do this inside documentary in two parts (1 hours each) about the down feather indystry that is, just as for fur, AWEFUL! Just like in the fur industry the birds are picked alive (not after death) and they scream. They get big wounds that and just lies for hours after the chock. Veternarians says that alive feather picking is the same as for humans getting their hair/skin picked off. It's really hurtful. And they do this 4-5 times on each bird before they kill it. Just like in the fur industry the animals are being kept in aweful enviroments and tortued til death. The reporter also showed that even if clothes or bed companies promised that their feathers always was picket from dead animals, it was all lies. He actually came around the system and showed that pretty much ALL feathers are picked from alive animals.

When this documentrary was showed swedes got really mad and they revolted against all down feather products. Huge companies like IKEA and Jysk gave money back to all of their costumers. They also changed their profiles since they no longer could say that their feathers for sure was from dead animals.

This got huge in Sweden. The reporter got a really respectful journalist price for his effort and the feather industry really changed over here.

So yes, it's actually possible, might I even say quite easy to change the industry.

At the very least, just to say "I'm against animal torture" you're a good way to change things up.

Btw, for those who didn't know. Sweden is a pretty cold country. Our winters are -30C (-22F). And swedes can do very good without either fur or down feather jackets... So please, don't give me that.

Thanks! This example shows perfectly how much power the ones who buy the products could have!

Originally Posted by xLitax

I don't think you really understand...

Even if you want to believe it, THE FUR INDUSTRY WILL NEVER CHANGE. Sorry, but that's the truth. These videos have been around for a long time, which I don't even watch because, come on, do you really think these videos are saying everything true?

Yeah, of course the industry will never change, because people like you like to buy fur. And yeah, of course those videos never show the truth. I think it's a big conspiracy theorie of all the journalists out there who make those videos. They themselve torture those animals to get prices!

Originally Posted by xLitax

I have not given my opinion on if it's right or wrong, because there is no point, especially here in an Ayumi Hamasaki forum.

What comes next? There is no point if it's wrong or right to kill natives in Africa because the industrialized world needs their organs?

And it wasn't me who started this thread. Only because this is an Ayu forum I have to say "Ayu is the goddess and if she likes to wear fur, why not? She looks sooooooooo good and elegant in it!!!!"??????