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Originally Posted by Chibi-Chan
^I wasn't arguing that there wasn't an impact on popular culture from Ayu in the 2000's, but that what she is known for by the general public is music she released during 1998 and 2000. From A Song for xx until Duty, which was cemented by her peak in 2001 with the release of A BEST which is again her music from the mentioned period. So at least for my friends who were born in the late 80's/early 90's Ayu was very present in the 90's. Same goes for Britney. I'm almost going every month to a 90's party. Most songs which get played are songs from the second half of the decade, simply because the audience is between 20 and 30 years old and they would not remember songs from 1991.
Ayu will never be popular among teenagers again, and in this case she really is too old. Not because she is old in general but too old so that a 13 year old girl could identify with her. And that's perfectly fine. And when watching a Namie concert at least I don't get the impression that her fans are a bunch of teenagers but mostly people being between 20 and 30 years old.
Most of Ayu's fans have the same age from my impression, which makes sense since most of her fans are long time fans by now and have grown with her. And to be popular again Ayu would need to appeal to much more people being between 20 and 30 years old. Because there is no way to appeal to teenagers and people who are between 30 and 40 years old have other idols, mostly from the 80's and early 90's.
So all I was trying to argue with was your point that Ayu isn't popular because she's from the 2000's but Namie is becaue she's from the 90's.
I simply don't agree because for an audience being between 20 and 30 years old, both were from their point of view as children pretty relevant in the 90's and think of them as big artist from the 90's.
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You are being simplistic with something I never said was THAT simple... Ayumi and Namie never shared a good part of their fanbases because their peaks were 5 years apart, and the music market is mostly moved by a public of age were 5 years makes TONS of diference. A 30 years old person and a 35 years old person are most likely +- at the same moment in life, while a 10 years old is VERY diferent from a 15 years old who is VERY diferent from a 20 years old. What those people perceive as the cultural works that formed they taste most likely wont be the same on the same way that the 2000's had the rise of popstars like Beyoncé, Rihanna, Avril Lavigne and Lady Gaga and even if they all debuted on the same decade, their impacts towards people who were between 10 and 20 on that decade is not the same... Someone who was 15 during the first half of the decade, for example will have founder memories of Avril than they will of Gaga, on the same way someone who was 15 during Gaga's peak were probably too young to pay attention to Avril's existance.
That being said, I was talking to Pimenta about the audience of the concerts she watched in Japan... She watched Ayu, Namie and Koda, and said their public actually were pretty different. If I remember it right, Ayu had from young people and teenagers to people on their 40s and older, Namie had mostly teenagers and Koda had people around their 20s.