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Hon, Ayu writes her lyrics on an iPhone. Like, she's literally dropped a quarter of her discography in the toilet over the last 15 years. Ayu isn't like some Van Gogh toiling away in a dark corner to get the perfect pluck of a harp at 2 minutes, 32 seconds into her 200th ballad. Ayu just works until it's as close to what she wants as she can reasonably get it.
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As if it matters what she writes her lyrics on. Also, Namie just works to the same point, it's not like she's overworking hours in a dark room to be perfect. It's not even something I expect from both.
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-"GILS JUST WANNA HAVE FAHN...
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Real Me, Feel The Love, Lelio etc, plus, I said that with Ayu it's not that much anymore, not non-existent
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I feel like you haven't watched a single one of Namie's PVs in the last 10 years. And I'm not coming down on you, I'm just pointing out that the production quality on literally ANYTHING Namie has done since 2009 has far surpassed Ayu. Namie's invested a lot of time in getting singles and albums and tours and promos "just right".
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I was talking about tours though.
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No, Ayu did something worse: She tried to abandon Japan. You can say you're tired, you can say you need a break, but Ayu absolutely treated her status as J-Pop icon like a ball and a chain. She retreated to the US, to France, and to the UK. For extended periods of time, she would fly to Japan only for business. She even moved with Manny and her most recent ex to live outside of Japan (iirc!).
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God, so because she's a japanese star she can't move away? Well, it's stupid to hold such thing against her. I wouldn't do that with any other artist either. You can live where you want to live. Ayu still came here and even if "only" for business, she did all her duties so it's not like she just left her fans. But if you see this as an argument - fine. She did get bashed for it, so it's not like she "got away with it".
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No one calls Celine Dion a talentless hack because Mariah Carey writes all her own lyrics. And no one calls Diane Warren a talentless hack because Mariah Carey performs all her own songs.
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It's not about Namie not writing but about the fact Namie should at least learn her lyrics by heart and so on (e.g. also better proununciation for English songs, whatever you say, Namie's proununciation is worse in most songs).
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I just want to put this into perspective from Ayu's standpoint as well. Ayu caused a major scandal by marrying Manny in late 2010 and then divorcing him less than a year later. Her sales were drastically affected by the bad press. Love songs sold almost 300k. Party Queen barely reached 140k. And when PQ came out, news outlets were printing stories left and right about PQ's #2 debut meant Ayu was finally irrelevant. And there SCATHING commentaries about this all over the media.
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Yea, and Ayu still didn't victimize herself or (said that she) got tired.
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Ayu and Utada debuted in 1998, became massive stars in 1999/2000, and were in all respects considered icons of J-Pop by 2002. Because Ayu and Utada were not walking around with murdered parents, surprise pregnancies, and divorce, they quickly overshadowed Namie in every respect.
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Nowadays roles with Ayu and Namie are the opposite.
I don't know what you're trying to tell me there though, that this made it harder for Namie because she only lives for success or what? Ayu, still loves performing, puts out music and tours so yea.
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In 1997, Namie became pregnant with her son and released a pretty shocking announcement that she was both marrying a labelmate and that she was with child. In 1998, Namie's mother was brutally murdered with an axe by her mother's ex-husband's brother, who then committed suicide. In 2002, Namie became divorced. Now, I just want to clarify this because for several consecutive years, Namie was by all context "embroiled in scandal" to the Japanese.
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Besides the obviously very sad thing with the murdering, all these things are/were under her responsibilty. And it's not like she couldn't expect media's reactions.
Well, those are my, more unshared thoughts. So yea, eh, nice day or something like that. Still, I think the topic is pretty, "done" and there are better things to talk about like upcoming concerts etc..