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Originally Posted by voltron
I'm still shocked that this conversation comes up so frequently, and honestly, it is exhausting - for everyone. That said, as us old timers can attest, during its heyday, AHS was a minefield. If people feel like they are attacked now (on either side), you have no idea how toxic the fandom was.
All I'd really contribute here is, don't be an ass. And, conversely, don't be so sensitive. Again - this is for people on both sides of these arguments.
There are people who seemingly come into threads to be a seagull - shit on things, and then leave. If that's your goal, then I'm not sure why you are a part of a forum. Don't get defensive if people respond to your complaints and try to debate - that's literally the purpose of a forum. It doesn't mean you have to change your mind or back down, but we should be able to engage in conversation. On the flip side, if someone hates something you love, you can share you opinions, but you don't need to convince them otherwise.
I think we could all benefit from engaging in more open dialogue, and less in trying to push our own opinions at every opportunity. And that's not just AHS, that's a life skill. As mentioned, there are a lot of non-native English speakers on this forum, there are a lot of age groups represented, and a lot of different maturity levels.
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Originally Posted by powpowparn
I guess I can give my 'outsider' view on this. I'm very much a lurker but read through the majority of the discussions on Ayu. The reason why I didn't post much/at all in the beginning was because I found this place a bit daunting and honestly didn't want to be 'attacked' for stating my own opinions. This place has changed a lot since then (for the better most of the time) and I mainly don't post now because I'm quite happy lurking and don't always have the time/want to make a post as I usually come on here on my phone.
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^ This and this.
And yep. This is nothing new. AT ALL. I remember back in the day I got constantly attacked because I would point out that she was lip synching at various points -- which is now commonly accepted as fact -- and was crucified for it because no one wanted to believe back then that she would do such a thing. I would try to discuss her having tattoos as they could be seen in certain music videos and in paparazzi photographs - got attacked because Ayu would never get a tattoo. Now, we all know the truth. But the fandom was BRUTAL back then, absolutely relentless.
So this stuff always existed, only it was even more intense due to the size of the fandom back then compared to now. I've also grown up and just don't care if someone doesn't agree with me or has so much time on their hands that they need to be malicious on an internet forum to fill their time.
And with Ayu - her voice has been going downhill slowly but steadily since waaaay back in 2006 IMO with peaks and valleys along the way. She is older, she's having kids, she's got health issues; it's never going to be the best again but I like enough other things about her that I still enjoy her. And her voice in 23rd monster? The same as it has been for the last several years.