Rule PV Discussion

[hiroshi_ben]

BEST IS EVERYONE GO AND MAKES A PV FOR AYU!

for those who keeps arguing..haha

run*

[jbrat2219]

Originally Posted by ArchangelLegend

So how many dragonball characters does it take to screw a lightbulb?

Just 1, but it would take at least 3 episodes.

That is tooooooooo funny

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Please everyone, calm down! I'd hate for another thread to be closed because people can't stop arguing. It's really becoming pointless and redundant. So stop!

[ihulk2]

Originally Posted by s1012h

No I wasn't being sarcastic... it is a little exaggerated but that's how I felt after watching the PV for the first (and only) time.

I think a video like decision fits Rule much better than a dancing-ninja thing... the dancers are getting annoying.

Amen.

I know they're not real ninjas and its just a music video and all that but I'm surprised more background was not done on them.
I'm not such a fan of dragonball but ...

Ninjas live and die by stealth, no fancy moves etc. They go for the kill using any weapon that gives them the advantage and disappear like magic. No time for tiger crane snake eagle combinations, leave that for the Shao-lin monks and Jackie Chan.
Ropes, poisons, darts and sometimes brute strength are all ninja weapons and among all, surprise is their deadliest. Targets die without knowing where and when the kill is coming from.

Imagine all the fun the vid director could have had Ayu and the rest do, with such a great soundtrack too.

Oh yeah, I've never seen twin dragons fight before, unless its with each other.

Plus points, Subaru pulls off a passable snake strike exercise and Zin does a nice head fake on an eagle stance.

Shu-ya does a nice impression of a clawless dancing tiger, Angela Jolie would be impressed.

Petty points but hey LOL, dancing ninjas !! What next ? Turtles ?

[haikudasai]

Originally Posted by sparkle glitter

I love the haters arguments here. The only thing they can come up to say back is "I'm so mature, I hate this video. Deal with it, learn to accept differing opinions". Lol okay. I can accept that people don't like this video, but to be honest that wasn't my whole point. I see people complaining a lot on this board, even about the most stupid tiniest things. It's like - you're always out to find the worst in Ayumi Hamasaki. To me that's not what a fan is. But I guess it's just a lot of the people here, their personalities or something.

Oh and don't act so surprised that people are speaking out on this. Ayumi Hamasaki fans sticking up for Ayu on an Ayumi Hamasaki forum? :O Wow!

But of course that's unlikely here right, since we're all supposed to go on about how ayu's shoes suck, her hair isn't combed the right way and her lips are too big.

I think you should take a gander at what sugarbasil had to say. Maybe it will help you. Having an opinion and expressing it is allowed here, as long as it's resrpectful to the users (which people who loved this PV and people who hated this PV have faltered on from time to time). If it doesn't follow your own, it doesn't make the person a "hater" nor should they have to move "to the left, to the left".

Just saying.

sugarbasil: lol I'm sorry you actually read every single page of that. :p

[love in music]

Originally Posted by Aisha_Angel

^And to add something to that:

I challenge ANYBODY who hates the PV for Rule to do the following:

Watch Koda Kumi's JUST THE WAY YOU ARE PV consecutively three times and I GUARANTEE two things:

#1) You'll be fascinated with her nose...the first time, fall asleep during the second time, then wake up the third time with a severe headache.

or most likely...

2) You will die of a seizure brought on by boredom...

With that being said...in comparison to that ---insert the lovely term for dog crap here--- Rule is the better PV.

(And Kuu fans, please refrain from referring to the Ayu-ken technique as seizure inducing. Ayu already has a video dedicated to that. It's called Born to Be...)

I agree so much lol. JTWYA is seriously one of kuu's worst videos ever. I was so completely bored.

Spoiler:

not to mention the song sounds like it should be used on the soundtrack to Barney or some other children's show .

things are getting pretty heated here i see lol.

but omg, i just noticed her tattoo on her back in the PV. it looks cool

[Melrose]

Originally Posted by jbrat2219

So it's the lack of different images, is what you mean? It's the same thing for about a minute? To be honest, I never noticed

But I'm glad I understand better, thank you
I thought most people hated the PV due to minor things and the nitpicking was getting extremely annoying... But now at least I have a sensible reason for why the PV could be construed as not very good.

And now that you mention it (I watched it again), there are less images. But I guess it doesn't bother me as much.

Another question, if I may: Does this make the PV "bad" or just "not your cup of tea"? I'm not sure what makes a good PV, but like you said with exceptions, fewer images isn't what makes a PV good or bad.

I think Mirrorcle World was bad because the concept was so unclear, and it wasn't until it was analyzed that I understood anything, yet I don't recall the the amount of images (she looked gorgeous in every one of them though).

Yet, to use your example, I understood NOTHING that was going on in About you, but I guess the constant change of images keeps the audience interested...

So what really makes a PV bad?

I love your post <3 ^^

A PV is bad for me if it bores me and doesn't make me want to watch it again. Per definition, a PV is probably bad if it doesn't make the song look/feel/sound better.

As for me, yes it is the lack of images. I'm not nitpicky at all. I could care less about her strange outfit (though a gay friend of mine actually said that, I quote, "she looks beautiful", which I've never heard him say about anyone -- I think it's the hair). But yes, seeing the same scene for an extended period of time is boring to me. Which is why I don't like the MW and GREEN PVs either, but I do like Days. =3

Well, the few exceptions weren't really pointed at personal favorites but at real exceptions. I mean, I like (don't) Leave me alone. I don't know why, I just do. However, I don't think it's a good PV from a subjective point of view as it's the same scene the entire PV. xD (Of course, if they were forced to do that due to budget then they did do a good job, but okey.)
The exceptions would be ballad PVs like HEAVEN, Daybreak, JEWEL, rainy day. I don't think I have to explain why such songs can have PVs with no scene changes. ^^

But for an upbeat PV like Rule, there should be more scenes in my opinion as the entire mood is different. Imagine watching the HEAVEN PV to Rule, haha.~

And I don't really mind it if I don't know what's going on. (Though in About You, the Ayu locked up in the ice cube was way more obvious than, say, MW.) ^^ But yea, MW had a set up like this:

- Scene with Ayu walking -
- Scene with Ayu in SM outfit -
- Scene with Ayu in red dress -
- Bridge with all different Ayu's -
- Scene with Ayu in a telephone cell -
& throw some random agents running around here and there.

I think that if you can actually accurately summarize a PV like that, it's bad. E.g. it would take way more lines than that to summarize About You, because it switches scenes so much.

[i talk too much]

Originally Posted by hiroshi_ben

BEST IS EVERYONE GO AND MAKES A PV FOR AYU!

for those who keeps arguing..haha

run*

Actually, I wanted a competition for that on here, but they won't make one. :] I'd love to do a vid for GUILTY or walking proud with me art academy mates. xD

[Aisha_Angel]

Originally Posted by Melrose

Sorry, but JUST THE WAY YOU ARE is better imo. And that's coming from someone who hated her no longer than a year ago.

JUST THE WAY YOU ARE has many more shots going on, making it less boring. But it's really not comparable, because JUST THE WAY YOU ARE is a feel good slow/med tempo song, and Rule is a fierce energetic song so obviously they're going to have two different types of PVs. And it sounds like you just don't like JTWYA because it's not your piece of cake. But from a subjective point of view, JUST THE WAY YOU ARE is better. Some shots are done really nice & artistic (like in the restaurant, the lighting). In Rule it's just some generic shots with hardly any thought behind it, except the shot with the blue bird on the plate thing. And the strange zoom ins/zoom outs of the second chorus look like the director found a cool new button in the program he's using and decided to get all excited with it for that part.

If that's the case then the PV [poker face] must be a directorial revolution...

FYI, I do like the song JUST THE WAY YOU ARE. It's one of the three songs I actually liked off of Koda's little TRICK. It's actually the PV that makes me wanna vomit...and die from a seizure of boredom. In my opinion, there is absolutely NOTHING original or artistic about that video. It's nothing more than a regurgitation of Destiny's Child's [girls] + the ending of Ayumi Hamasaki's [Days] + any other generically-themed "we're totally BFFs now!" music video. It's just a simple video that's boring.

The music video for Rule is superior to that garbage in every way...The constant zoom in and zoom out focus is meant to recapture your attention. It is a strange technique, but it's been used in videos before...It's just an effect that hasn't really been used in Ayu's videos. We're used to an Ayu video having the feel of a cinematic feature. Everything flows smoothly, then fades out, flows smoothly again until the conclusion comes and fades out again.

For this video, when you think about it critically---that kind of process just wouldn't work for this song. You can tell by the awkward appearance of the bird. Scenes that flow seamlessly don't fit with this song AT ALL. It has to be WHAM---BAM---BOOM---HAHA---YOU---CAN---SEE---ME---HERE---HERE---AND---HERE! It's a track full of energy, and therefore it needs an energetically directed video. Not all that artistic, slow-pace, traditional Ayu, JUST THE WAY YOU ARE-simple theme...

Of course that's just MY opinion. (Have fun with this statement kids...I've got class. I'll be back later...)

[nikku76]

It's nice to see Ayu appreciates scantily clad, fit men as much as I do.

Seriously tho, I think peoples need to not take the ninjas so seriously. They are dancers dressed up as ninjas. Dance fighting. Not really hurting each other. It's fun! And they are smexy so ya.

Ayumi herself was also looking very good in the video. I bet she had fun filming this one. =)

[Melrose]

^

Well, for starters, if a PV is bad when it doesn't promote the song, then the JTWTA PV is good.

Technically good scenes:
- Kuu in the restaurant w/o her friends. The lighting is really good.
- Kuu standing on the front of the carousel.

The constant zoom in zoom out is random and out of place when completely spammed in only one scene of the PV. Actually, most scenes in the PV are random. The pretty Ayu & the fierce Ayu scenes & the bird scenes & the dancers looking around all four have such different saturation, etc. that it really doesn't match. JTWTA scenes all fall together.

Not all that artistic, slow-pace, traditional Ayu, JUST THE WAY YOU ARE-simple theme...

Um, that's what I said. JTWTA requires an entirely different PV from Rule, so you can't compare.

It has to be WHAM---BAM---BOOM---HAHA---YOU---CAN---SEE---ME---HERE---HERE---AND---HERE! It's a track full of energy, and therefore it needs an energetically directed video.

Indeed. And it's not. So you're kind of contradicting yourself now.

Again, your personal taste gets in the way of seeing that JTWTA isn't directed bad. :'] It sounds more like you don't like the SCRIPT of them hanging out in an amusement park. Now, I'm not saying that I think the JTWTA is freaking awesome or splendid or beautiful, but it is good for a song like that and with a script like that. Not bad. [Not that it really matters as this is the Ayu forum.]

As for poker face, did you even watch it before saying that? Because it has the perfect example of long one-shot scenes like GREEN and Rule and MW. Except that all the scenes DO fall together, so subjectively it is better than those.

[waterballoon]

Originally Posted by Melrose

I love your post <3 ^^

A PV is bad for me if it bores me and doesn't make me want to watch it again. Per definition, a PV is probably bad if it doesn't make the song look/feel/sound better.

As for me, yes it is the lack of images. I'm not nitpicky at all. I could care less about her strange outfit (though a gay friend of mine actually said that, I quote, "she looks beautiful", which I've never heard him say about anyone -- I think it's the hair). But yes, seeing the same scene for an extended period of time is boring to me. Which is why I don't like the MW and GREEN PVs either, but I do like Days. =3

Well, the few exceptions weren't really pointed at personal favorites but at real exceptions. I mean, I like (don't) Leave me alone. I don't know why, I just do. However, I don't think it's a good PV from a subjective point of view as it's the same scene the entire PV. xD (Of course, if they were forced to do that due to budget then they did do a good job, but okey.)
The exceptions would be ballad PVs like HEAVEN, Daybreak, JEWEL, rainy day. I don't think I have to explain why such songs can have PVs with no scene changes. ^^

But for an upbeat PV like Rule, there should be more scenes in my opinion as the entire mood is different. Imagine watching the HEAVEN PV to Rule, haha.~

And I don't really mind it if I don't know what's going on. (Though in About You, the Ayu locked up in the ice cube was way more obvious than, say, MW.) ^^ But yea, MW had a set up like this:

- Scene with Ayu walking -
- Scene with Ayu in SM outfit -
- Scene with Ayu in red dress -
- Bridge with all different Ayu's -
- Scene with Ayu in a telephone cell -
& throw some random agents running around here and there.

I think that if you can actually accurately summarize a PV like that, it's bad. E.g. it would take way more lines than that to summarize About You, because it switches scenes so much.

[i talk too much]

I love your post too.

Well yeah, you have stated why the PV wasn't that good. Sure, she looked really hot and the symbolism was at least clear enough. But I abhorred that second verse when she was just sitting there. Dude, it's an upbeat song...

That being said, she still looks hot in that scene. And I LOVE that attitude she's giving off... it's so 'Rule'!

[SURREAL__RAINBOW]

this comments are making me sick

now any random is a specialist in pvs LOL

[jbrat2219]

Originally Posted by Melrose

I love your post <3 ^^

A PV is bad for me if it bores me and doesn't make me want to watch it again. Per definition, a PV is probably bad if it doesn't make the song look/feel/sound better.

As for me, yes it is the lack of images. I'm not nitpicky at all. I could care less about her strange outfit (though a gay friend of mine actually said that, I quote, "she looks beautiful", which I've never heard him say about anyone -- I think it's the hair). But yes, seeing the same scene for an extended period of time is boring to me. Which is why I don't like the MW and GREEN PVs either, but I do like Days. =3

Well, the few exceptions weren't really pointed at personal favorites but at real exceptions. I mean, I like (don't) Leave me alone. I don't know why, I just do. However, I don't think it's a good PV from a subjective point of view as it's the same scene the entire PV. xD (Of course, if they were forced to do that due to budget then they did do a good job, but okey.)
The exceptions would be ballad PVs like HEAVEN, Daybreak, JEWEL, rainy day. I don't think I have to explain why such songs can have PVs with no scene changes. ^^

But for an upbeat PV like Rule, there should be more scenes in my opinion as the entire mood is different. Imagine watching the HEAVEN PV to Rule, haha.~

And I don't really mind it if I don't know what's going on. (Though in About You, the Ayu locked up in the ice cube was way more obvious than, say, MW.) ^^ But yea, MW had a set up like this:

- Scene with Ayu walking -
- Scene with Ayu in SM outfit -
- Scene with Ayu in red dress -
- Bridge with all different Ayu's -
- Scene with Ayu in a telephone cell -
& throw some random agents running around here and there.

I think that if you can actually accurately summarize a PV like that, it's bad. E.g. it would take way more lines than that to summarize About You, because it switches scenes so much.

[i talk too much]



Actually, I wanted a competition for that on here, but they won't make one. :] I'd love to do a vid for GUILTY or walking proud with me art academy mates. xD

Why, thank you ^^;
I'm happy you are able to help me understand things a bit more. Yeah if you summarize Rule, you wouldn't get a long list. I'm sure there are things they could have done to make it more appealing and filled with much more movement. Maybe Ayu and her ninjas trying to break out of Doujou with some more fight scenes and a plot rather than dancing? I could see Ayu lurking around the dark shadows being all sexy ninja'ing her way out, breakin' the rules and such haha. But it is what it is and it doesn't bother me a whole lot. But thank you for your posts They were really helpful.

Originally Posted by Aisha_Angel

The music video for Rule is superior to that garbage in every way...The constant zoom in and zoom out focus is meant to recapture your attention. It is a strange technique, but it's been used in videos before...It's just an effect that hasn't really been used in Ayu's videos. We're used to an Ayu video having the feel of a cinematic feature. Everything flows smoothly, then fades out, flows smoothly again until the conclusion comes and fades out again.

I think that's maybe what kept my attention throughout the entire video, the cinematic effects. Probably why I didn't perceive it as boring. I think they played a major role in the music video. But I guess to some, it wasn't enough lol.

[Melrose]

I think that's maybe what kept my attention throughout the entire video, the cinematic effects

Hur? They used cinematic effects outside of the 2nd chorus? :S

Why, thank you ^^;
I'm happy you are able to help me understand things a bit more. Yeah if you summarize Rule, you wouldn't get a long list. I'm sure there are things they could have done to make it more appealing and filled with much more movement. Maybe Ayu and her ninjas trying to break out of Doujou with some more fight scenes and a plot rather than dancing? I could see Ayu lurking around the dark shadows being all sexy ninja'ing her way out, breakin' the rules and such haha. But it is what it is and it doesn't bother me a whole lot. But thank you for your posts They were really helpful.

^^
Actually your ideas are pretty good lol. Maybe fierce Ayu could have protected the blue bird with her dancers from the demon guys and fought their way out of the building. xD And some sneak scenes... Dunno.

[ohsixthirty]

Originally Posted by Melrose

And why are her bloody dancers in EVERY PV lately? I don't LIKE your dancers, Ayu. I like YOU. That's why I'm fan of YOU and not "Ayumi Hamasaki & dancers". =_= I'm sure you have a lot of fun at the set, but how about making a good PV next time.

And Shuya is fattish and not hot.

hahahaha! i'm tired of her dancers too. i miss the days when they weren't in her PVs. especially shuya...he's EVERYWHERE. blah.

but i liked the PV all in all. my favorite part is the glamorous ayumi part, followed by the section where everyone is dancing in unison. too bad she had to blast them all away, lol.

[ArchangelLegend]

Spoiler:

[lfe.]

[maikaru]

I... like... her dancers a lot... ahahaha.
They are really cool, to me..
I wish Maro would replace Shu-Ya though as the main one.
But I think without them, there's a hole.
Even she said herself that if you accept Ayu, you have to accept everyone.. because they are all "ayumi hamasaki."
Sometimes I get annoyed, but without them, not knowing who they are, it would be very "who the hell is that one????"
And like, no connections.

And I watched this PV over and over for this past 4 days.. ahaha.
I really love this PV and song..
I wanna learn choreography!! ahaha

[SunshineSlayer]

Thank you sugarbasil for your post, it was perfect. I can't believe some people here are still continuing on about "haters" after your post.

[Raleigh]

Originally Posted by touchedstar

hahahaha! i'm tired of her dancers too. i miss the days when they weren't in her PVs. especially shuya...he's EVERYWHERE. blah.

I am not a huge fan of her dancers either. They're obviously trained to be dancers so they have zero acting skills and it shows. Especially when they run around being pretty and adding nothing to the videos. I'm also pretty sick of Shuya being plastered in our face all the time..

Shuya is always looking so confused as if he doesn't know what face he will make so he always has this painful look on his face as if he's straining himself. Or else he's showing off.. I guess I'm not a fan. However here it's obvious that she could only use her dancers because of the dancing segment so I don't mind it so much. I think this time it was the right call but I'd rather they used actors in other roles where dancing is not required.

[ayu_fantasy]

Haha, I also watch RULE PV so many times after it's release ... For Green and Days Pv, I only watch once Ehh, I think she should use Maro more... Shuya is okay, but maro would be better. YO!!!

And I can't believe some people are still trying to start an arguement, after what sugarbasil have said.