COMPLETE playback thread

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

This is relevant for you, what does not mean it is for everyone... It's like the plastic surgeries thing... People doesn't care if this is discussed once or twice... but every concert thread in some time have a lip-synch comment... usually by you... It's your right wanting to talk about this, but people are getting tired of this subject... I'm not trying to say where you can or can't post...

If there is a concert with a lip synched song, why shouldn't it be mentioned? It's like cherry picking only the nice things and leaving out the not so nice. Alright, so now I've learned that even in the future if/when she lip synchs no one should ever mention it outside of this thread and everyone should just pretend that she sings live the whole time. Sure, maybe a few people on the forum will be happier with that, but it wouldn't be reality.

...and if people (some of which are in this thread) are so tired of talking about it/seeing it, why even bother to come in here? It seems the people that do actually want to discuss it, can't even do it in their own thread without having to defend themselves. It's ridiculous.

[Andrenekoi]

I don't think any of the ones who are tired of this come here
And the ones who comes, sorry about that, are kind of stupid... When this thread started to get on my nerves, I just left it... And even when I read it, I try not to comment about this issue... my last comments where more lik "these are opinions, I don't recomend to anybody to come here specting to see what really is live and what isn't", but I don't really mind if you are discussing it

I agree that if ayu does a mistake like the angel's song or use the album/single track when lip-synching, this should be mentioned outside here... but when you start with "I think that this song on this concert wasn't live because of this, this and that"... well, if people is not interested and get bothered with this, I would discuss it only with who is interested (and I does discuss ayu lip-synchs, but not here)

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

I don't think any of the ones who are tired of this come here
And the ones who comes, sorry about that, are kind of stupid... When this thread started to get on my nerves, I just left it... And even when I read it, I try not to comment about this issue... my last comments where more lik "these are opinions, I don't recomend to anybody to come here specting to see what really is live and what isn't", but I don't really mind if you are discussing it

I agree that if ayu does a mistake like the angel's song or use the album/single track when lip-synching, this should be mentioned outside here... but when you start with "I think that this song on this concert wasn't live because of this, this and that"... well, if people is not interested and get bothered with this, I would discuss it only with who is interested (and I does discuss ayu lip-synchs, but not here)

^ Which is pretty much exactly what I tried to do. I mentioned it and the reasons for it, giving valid reports from fans who actually went and then tried to leave it at that.

And I didn't mean specifically you, but there are definitely people like that in this thread.

Main thing that bothers me is Maikeru's assertion that yes, indeed, my opinions (even if I have seen the show personally) should be taken less seriously than someone elses because the other persons would probably be more positive. That's just wrong on so many levels and was basically her post in a nutshell. It's insulting.

[Andrenekoi]

Just take it easy... when ayu falls singing EnergigE and her voice still sounding fine, you can say "I told you" :B

[maikaru]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

^ Which is pretty much exactly what I tried to do. I mentioned it and the reasons for it, giving valid reports from fans who actually went and then tried to leave it at that.

And I didn't mean specifically you, but there are definitely people like that in this thread.

Main thing that bothers me is Maikeru's assertion that yes, indeed, my opinions (even if I have seen the show personally) should be taken less seriously than someone elses because the other persons would probably be more positive. That's just wrong on so many levels and was basically her post in a nutshell. It's insulting.

First thing, please get the name right. I am sure you can read perfectly, so you don't have to make mistake.

Second, please stop being self righteous and listen for a change. I did not say that it is fair that you are not taken seriously, but you are also not using your head about this. You are coming to ayumi hamasaki forum, and continuously you bring up lipsync lipsync lipsync. Honestly lately, all I see from you are complaints about ayumi, she is always deceiving, etc. If you talked about lipsync once, your ideas might be taken seriously, but please remember that people come here to praise and share their love for ayumi, while you continue to make such bold accusations such as the fact that at07 was all lipsync, etc. Use common sense about this.

It's not fair to you, okay I know, but I don't sympathize about your case. When I came here to offer opinion, I was not taken seriously either. And I really understand when people start to hate you because you are always the one who starts the lipsync conversations. Keep it here, and maybe we can take your ideas seriously, but only when you understand that the major of people do not want to talk about lipsync all the time in every concert thread. Please understand that viewpoint, that even if you may be right about her lipsync, only very few people care, and the rest wanna talk about something else instead of having to defend ayumi:

I am sorry for sounding harsh. But when you don't take the fact that people disagree when it's lipsync and continue to make your case without Asking why we think that way, you must expect the same treatment, especially in a forum which is dedicated to the love for ayumi, not criticsm.

[maikaru]

It seems I cannot edit posts on my laptop right now.

Ps there is nothing wrong with liking ayumi so much, and idolizing her. If you have a problem with that, that is your problem, but don't use me defending ayumi as an insult, calling me an overzealous fan.

And I will admit it now, when people talk about ayumi like she is always doing the wrong thing, I am not nice, because I hate those kind of people who just want to make trouble and accuse those who defend ayumi of being like crazy.

I also meant by her being perfect is that she recognized that she is a product, so she must be viewed as perfect. Do not misinterpret my words. no one is perfect.

I came here to offer my own thoughts on what you guys were saying about which concert waslipsync and where, but just as we don't take you serious in the other thread, I wasn't taken seriously here. So the cycle continues. We should stop, and start fresh about this topic, keep it here, and don't talk about it in the other threads, so we can keep the peace.

That said, we should delete these personal attacking posts from both me and you, and if we have something to say, we use pm okay? I know I seem like a *****, but I don't think I am in real life. Ha ha.

Anyways, I came to the place to talk about lipsync here, instead of other places, so I thought it would be okay to talk, but I guess not. So I will leave this thread to you guys, and just we can be nice again. Thanks~

[noidea]

OK, I'll bring something new: evolution from A Museum, it's the CDL0607, AT07, CDL0708 recording, isnt it? I didn't compare it line for line, but it seems TOO similar to me, however, I don't have the TV version...

[nizpo]

Originally Posted by noidea

OK, I'll bring something new: evolution from A Museum, it's the CDL0607, AT07, CDL0708 recording, isnt it? I didn't compare it line for line, but it seems TOO similar to me, however, I don't have the TV version...

well i don't know for sure if there is that recording, but they sound pretty similar specialy CDL 0708, and i think is funny that in both arena tour 2002 and CDL0607 she lyp synched evolution with the same show maybe in the TV version is different, but in the DVD is definetly lyp synched, is another vocal track, and it isn't just a normal DVD enhanced like in decision CDL0708, its a total replacment of the vocal track

[M.A.X.]

Ok I have all concert and tv version and I know Ayu since long time so:

All concert before the CDL 2001-2002, there are not playback

CDL 01-02

- UNITE (Chorus)
- evolution (Chorus)

Arena Tour 2002

- Free & Easy
- evolution
- UNITE!
- independent

Stadium Tour 2002

- UNITE!
- evolution
- independent
- Boys & Girls
- AUDIENCE

CDL 2002-2003

- UNITE!
- evolution

A Museum

- evolutiion
- poker face
- trust
- depend on you
- appears
- vogue
- Fly high
- UNITE
- forgiveness (same as Tv version)
- no way to say

Arena tour 2003-2004

-ANGEL'S SONG
-Greatful days
- UNITE!
- Moments
and maybe Who... for first time

CDL 2004-2005

- M
- CAROLS (same as Arena Tour 2005)
- evolution (verses)
- audience

Arena tour 2005

- Happy ending
- UNITE (chorus)
- GAME (same as a nation 2004 except voice effects)
- my name's women
- carols
- step you (same as all performance in concert)

CDL 2005-2006

- STEP YOU
- UNITE (chorus)
- fairyland
- theme of a nation

Arena tour 2006

- Step you
- Ladies Night
- alterna
- rainy day
- Startin (same as a nation 2006)
- UNITE!

CDL 2006-2007

- ourselves
- Fly high
- Beautiful figthers
- evolution

Asia tour 2007

- evolution
- UNITE!
- 1 LOVE
- until that day (same as a nation 2007)
- M
- appears

CDL 2007-2008

- talkin 2 myself
- Step you
- evolution

Asia tour 2008

- talkin 2 myself
- Don't leave me alone (I doubt)
- Marionette

Premium CDL

A lot of songs but I doubt.
For sure:

- Angel's Song

and maybe

GREEN
Will
Real me
and then
naturally
in the corner
over
scar
signal
too late
everywhere nowhere

[Andrenekoi]

I hope that she didn't lip-synched ourselves at best of cdl... ok, maybe she can record flawed vocals, but ourselves was terrible at tv version ><

[Coelacanth]

I know I said before that it depends on individual perceptions, but some of these accusations are pretty outrageous imo. Still can't get over t2m @ AT08.. And STEP you at AT05? Huh?

I can understand doubting her vocal abilities nowadays, but in 2005 and beyond she was a much more consistent vocalist...

Originally Posted by noidea

OK, I'll bring something new: evolution from A Museum, it's the CDL0607, AT07, CDL0708 recording, isnt it? I didn't compare it line for line, but it seems TOO similar to me, however, I don't have the TV version...

I think if Ayu were to use playback, she would be smart enough not to use the same playback of a song for more than one concert. That being said, I don't quite understand the argument for a song at Concert X being mimed just because it sounds similar to the one from Concert Y.

[noidea]

I added my notes directly in your post so it doesnt get too long^^

Originally Posted by M.A.X.

Ok I have all concert and tv version and I know Ayu since long time so:

All concert before the CDL 2001-2002, there are not playback

CDL 01-02

- UNITE (Chorus)
- evolution (Chorus)
Same two I suspected for the same part

Arena Tour 2002

- Free & Easy
I really doubt this one was playback, really, or she did a PERFECT job miming it, and shes not good at miming xD also, it seems she used a mic that produces almost no mic-noises, otherwise, AUDIENCE would be a pretty sure playback as well(at least in parts)
- evolution
Just rewatched evolution and I think you're right, the recording is WAY worse than museum,CDL0607,AT07, CDL0708, but the facts that there are no mic noises and no speaking to the audience make it a pretty sure playback, and her mouth looks weird
- UNITE!
possible, very possible
- independent
her voice suddenly is really different, i think you might be right

Stadium Tour 2002
havent watched it
- UNITE!
- evolution
- independent
- Boys & Girls
- AUDIENCE

CDL 2002-2003
havent watched it
- UNITE!
- evolution

A Museum
thats kind of my list as well, i just have to check every song against the tv version first(i dont think shell do two different playbacks for two different days of the same concert^^)
- evolution
- poker face
- trust
- depend on you
- appears
- vogue
- Fly high
- UNITE
- forgiveness (same as Tv version)
- no way to say

Arena tour 2003-2004
sure about the upper two, but not about UNITE!, Moments and Who, mainly because I didnt watch them xD
-ANGEL'S SONG
-Greatful days
- UNITE!
- Moments
and maybe Who... for first time

CDL 2004-2005

- M
that one was doubted for long, you might be right
- CAROLS (same as Arena Tour 2005)
interesting
- evolution (verses)
I KNEW IT! the second verse sounds exactly like CDL0607 and so on!
- audience

Arena tour 2005

- Happy ending
only the last line, or do you really think shed record a playback for the song and use the studio recording for the last line?
- UNITE (chorus)
havent really watched it...
- GAME (same as a nation 2004 except voice effects)
ok, expected something like this
- my name's women
my point all the time^^
- carols
possible
- step you (same as all performance in concert)
ok

CDL 2005-2006

- STEP YOU
- UNITE (chorus)
- fairyland
doubt this, her mouth moved much better than in a-nation 2008 and i think she would have used the same playback for both tours, but i havent watched the tv version, so its possible
- theme of a nation

Arena tour 2006

- Step you
- Ladies Night
- alterna
- rainy day
no...please not...i hope not...
- Startin (same as a nation 2006)
I KNEW IT! I KNEW I KNEW THIS AUDIO! but i think Startin' CDL0506 might be playback as well
- UNITE!

CDL 2006-2007

- ourselves
hmm...have to watch tv version
- Fly high
sure about this? i havent watched it, but i seriously doubt it
- Beautiful figthers
- evolution

Asia tour 2007

- evolution
- UNITE!
- 1 LOVE
- until that day (same as a nation 2007)
- M
- appears

CDL 2007-2008

- talkin 2 myself
- Step you
- evolution

Asia tour 2008
just like my list
- talkin 2 myself
- Don't leave me alone (I doubt)
- Marionette

Premium CDL
kind of my list as well, but I really doubt Over was playback
A lot of songs but I doubt.
For sure:

- Angel's Song

and maybe

GREEN
Will
Real me
and then
naturally
in the corner
over
scar
signal
too late
everywhere nowhere

[M.A.X.]

Originally Posted by noidea

I added my notes directly in your post so it doesnt get too long^^

Ok, maybe there are few errors but I think most of theses songs are in playback ! I don't really care because I know Ayu since a long time and now I know she's doing playback 1/3 in her concert except before 2002 and less in CDL show.

[bluecyclone]

- Startin (same as a nation 2006)
I KNEW IT! I KNEW I KNEW THIS AUDIO! but i think Startin' CDL0506 might be playback as well

Startin' from CDL 0506 is NOT playback because in the TV version she gets confused on the second chorus lyrics and stops singing for a moment. They fix this on the DVD version!

Also in SURREAL from this very CDL 0506 she was gonna say "itsu made mo" instead of "sono mama no" .... resulting in.... "itnoooo mama noo" and she slightly laughs! And they fix it on the DVD version... meaning she doesn't lipsync or playback in this CDL excluding the theme from a nation

[noidea]

^ youre right about Startin' and SURREAL, I didnt watch the TV version of that concert yet when I wrote that post. But SURREAL never was in question to be playback in that concert, UNITE!(chorus i think), STEP you fairyland were