'again' mini album out December 8th, 2nd of five 15th anniversary releases [IV]

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by henrique

There is anything wrong with the songs! Why do people keep saying that?

"Again" was not good enough? please...

2/4 songs on again approach great for me. On love, only 1/3 do. For the price of a mini album that really doesn't contain anymore tracks than a maxi single would IMO you should be shooting for greatness, not OKness.

[TeamAyu2004]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

Receiving formal education only means being programmed like a robot and doing stuff on one way only if u r completelly stupid to not use what u learned on ur own way. You must know the rules in order to break them.

My whole point of the post was that not knowing the rules makes it easier. Why learn the rules if you intend to break them?

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004

My whole point of the post was that not knowing the rules makes it easier. Why learn the rules if you intend to break them?

Because some times the rules are there for a reason, and people are doing stuff on a certain way because the opposite was tried and it failed. Knowing the rules and why they are rules shows you what works and what doesn't on the whole structure, and from this, getting new solutions to the same old problem.

Why would you discover by yourself a lot of stuff people already discovered before? Why would you take 5 years of trial and error to learn something you could learn in 5 months by actually studing the subject? It's not just a waste of time, but a disrespect with people who needed to learn it the hard way because it wasn't known.

And also, the problem I pointed before... If u don't get educated on the subject you risk doing something already old, or cliche, or just plain bad and believe you are a genious because you just don't have repertoire to compare and contextualize what u just produced. This is surprisingly common, actually.

[TeamAyu2004]

^ im not talking about all education... I said FORMAL... you can study by yourself all you want, but by going on FORMAL education you become limited because it becomes in grained into you, much like culture.

also your statement is a little counterproductive because you said it yourself to break the rules you must know them... All rules can be broken. just because it hasn't been successful yet, doesnt mean someone somewhere will not find the means to do it and what better why to break it then just not know of it.

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004

^ im not talking about all education... I said FORMAL... you can study by yourself all you want, but by going on FORMAL education you become limited because it becomes in grained into you, much like culture.

also your statement is a little counterproductive because you said it yourself to break the rules you must know them... All rules can be broken. just because it hasn't been successful yet, doesnt mean someone somewhere will not find the means to do it and what better why to break it then just not know of it.

Once you talk about not knowing the rules, you are talking about being undereducated... being it either formal or informal. You can produce one good piece by accident, but if you actually want to pay ur bills by doing it, one good piece is not enough.

And formal education only limits and becomes grained you if u r stupid enough to let it happen. Anyone who faces the formal education as a part of a educational process, and not the major end of it, will never really face this problem.

[TeamAyu2004]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

And formal education only limits and becomes grained you if u r stupid enough to let it happen. Anyone who faces the formal education as a part of a educational process, and not the major end of it, will never really face this problem.

welcome to the average human being.
But we might as well stop, we're really not getting anywhere and we obvious wont agree on it.

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004

welcome to the average human being.
But we might as well stop, we're really not getting anywhere and we obvious wont agree on it.

The last one: It's not like the average human being will become like Elton John, Yoshiki or Mozart just by learning by themselves either...

[Delicious n Bold]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

2/4 songs on again approach great for me. On love, only 1/3 do. For the price of a mini album that really doesn't contain anymore tracks than a maxi single would IMO you should be shooting for greatness, not OKness.

Basically.
its quite sad...
sweet scar sounds good but it goes nowhere, like walking down the up escalator.
and ivy is ok but it reeks of filler.

[TeamAyu2004]

^ i like ivy a lot more than sweet scar, but the PV to sweet scar makes me love the song so much... its just so simple and lovable.

[emi♡]

lol wow.

"Education" is just a gateway. It's what you do with it that matters.

If you decide to keep spewing out the same **** they feed you, and you never push yourself to create something original to yourself, then that's your own problem, and yeah, you'll be average.

But those idiot averages would still have been less without that education, and so would those who aren't average.

Anyone who faces the formal education as a part of a educational process, and not the major end of it, will never really face this problem.

Surprise surprise, we agree.

[isthisLOL?]

TeamAyu2004 you are embarrassing yourself here with the way you completely disregard formal education in art - in craft even, since every art is a craft. I believe you are not an idiot, so please don't behave like one. I know I've been rude to you in the past, but I'm seriously trying to be nice right now, I know you're better than this.

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by emi♡

Surprise surprise, we agree.

Yay! <3

But I feel more likely marrying you when we don't!

[Delicious n Bold]

Surprised that nobody has gotten the album yet lol
I wonder if people are even gonna talk about it when they get it and such.

[isthisLOL?]

I think a couple people mentioned getting it, but it's definitely far less than usual. Maybe the amount of snow in some European countries delayed delivery for some - and a couple others have probably been turned off by the Maro thing.

[Delicious n Bold]

Snow? I forgot about that
It's dryer than cracked skin here.
Canada Post just didn't feel like doing anything for 2-3 days. Those lazy ass wiggas. I want my cd!

[ohsixthirty]

Originally Posted by Delicious n Bold

Surprised that nobody has gotten the album yet lol
I wonder if people are even gonna talk about it when they get it and such.

i got mine two days ago.

[TeamAyu2004]

^^ i dont think mine as even shipped yet.. sadness.

[isthisLOL?]

Originally Posted by Delicious n Bold

Snow? I forgot about that
It's dryer than cracked skin here.
Canada Post just didn't feel like doing anything for 2-3 days. Those lazy ass wiggas. I want my cd!

We have 30-40cm of snow right now - and I'm in one of the areas that wasn't even hit very hard. Slovenia has nearly a meter in some areas I heard.

Roads are closed off, busses aren't driving, accidents all around...I don't even wanna know how it is in areas that got it worse right now.

[Jawdarna]

The only song I am 'so-so' about on again is actually Wake me up.
I see it as the weakest link in terms of nearly everything.
However, I LOVE how the album becomes progressively darker, and Wake me up certainly emphasizes this with it's presence.
Happy go lucky, to contemplating one's own life in a rather haunting fashion.

I think Ivy is my favourite.
again actually sort of reminds me of the trilogy + ever free.
Wake me up = vogue
snowy kiss = Far away
Sweet scar = SEASONS
Ivy = ever free

[ayumisrael]

Even though it's actually Wake me up~You & Me~Snowy kiss...