PREMIUM COUNTDOWN LIVE 2008-2009 A (Information) II

[waterballoon]

LOL, unfortunately, I don't exactly agree with your list Melrose. Take it that I've not heard more than 50% of those performances, but whatever.

Lip-sync or not, I'm just grateful and proud of Ayu for putting a 3 hour concert... and singing songs that made me love them (SCAR! POWDER SNOW!)... and besides, every song is with her new vocals... at least she bothered to "record" new versions to lip sync (assuming that she really did)... better than syncing to the studio versions.

In any case, the only 2 performances which I've seen with my own eyes would be:

1) theme of a-nation' 03 in CDL 05-06 (TV version)
2) ANGEL'S SONG in PCDL

Simply because she mouthed the wrong word at that part of the song (and it would be impossible to make that syllable from your mouth at that kind of position... so no "benefits of doubts" here; and also I tried to defend ANGEL'S SONG, as I heard her singing a wrong part... I would try to find the video again and post it here for further clarifications)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPtwFj0cT0s

That is the link to the ANGEL'S SONG performance. I suggest watching it in high-quality to get a better view. Okay here are the iffy bits.

1:40 - See how her mouth is actually shaped weirdly? I tried it myself and I can make the "ta" sound, but it's muffled. At that time, the "ta" was very loud and projected... so unless she has power diaphragms or something... it would seem weird.

2:38 - That line is supposed to be "Watashi wa mabataki sae mo oshimu no" but at the 'watashi wa' part, you (I, rather) can hear a 'watashi ni' somewhere. I'm very unsure if it's Peco or Ayu, but Melrose told me both were actually singing 'watashi wa'. So I watched a few more times... and I kind of realized that the 'watashi wa' sounds much lighter and softer than the rest of the song. I don't really think she lip-synced then... since she missed a note (upon more hearings, the 'watashi wa' really sounds like Peco and I don't hear Ayu; maybe she's drowned by Peco's OMGPOWER diaphragms). She most likely ran out of breath and couldn't have enough time to sing the 'wa'. But I could be wrong. *shrugs*

2:47 to 2:48 - This time, the line is "Kimi wa se ni tenshi no hane o motsu". Notice her lips are more in a pout-shape rather than that weird lip shape at 1:40? I honestly do not know what on earth happened at 1:40, but I'm quite sure this line is live.

That could be a technical problem or anything like that. No one knows for sure because most of us are just watching from youtube/downloaded versions which have problems.

What I want to say is, I don't really believe that ANGEL'S SONG is lip synced. My heart really tells me to believe Ayu, and I guess I would because I have watched this performance several times... I believe her. And it's up to you whether you want to think she lip syncs. In my opinion, whether she lip syncs or not, she still has a certain honesty in her music. Though personally, I would feel hurt if she really does lip sync, cos it's just some sort of a... lie that you tell your fans?

"I'm doing a live but I lip sync a song!"... It's like I don't know. I'm a fan... and I really want to see her singing live instead of lip sync... because how do we say this... lip syncing is akin to a runner taking steriods. It's just taboo and not a very glorious act.

But at the end of the day, I would still support Ayu because I would understand, if she really did lip sync. I hope no one feels offended.

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by waterballoon

What I want to say is, I don't really believe that ANGEL'S SONG is lip synced. My heart really tells me to believe Ayu, and I guess I would because I have watched this performance several times... I believe her. And it's up to you whether you want to think she lip syncs. In my opinion, whether she lip syncs or not, she still has a certain honesty in her music. Though personally, I would feel hurt if she really does lip sync, cos it's just some sort of a... lie that you tell your fans?

She says motsu when she was supposed to say mita. Also, at the second time that motsu comes up, she turns her head away and covers her mouth a bit - it seemed like she still wasn't sure if she was singing the right line and didn't want it out there for everyone to see if she made a second mistake. The slight audio sync error should not be an issue at this part of the video. Especially since I have a fixed audio version of the file and everything in it is perfectly in sync, yet the Angel's Song and Over mistakes are still the same. So for Angel's Song, it's basically the same problem as with Theme of A-Nation at cdl 05-06 and safe to say that it was lip synched. Other songs may be up in the air, but Angel's Song is the only one that you could say is basically confirmed.

I still love Ayu though. Her occasional lip synching is disappointing because I always prefer live vocals even if they might sound bad but there are still enough other things that I appreciate that it doesn't turn me off from being a fan.

[waterballoon]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

She says motsu when she was supposed to say mita. Also, at the second time that motsu comes up, she turns her head away and covers her mouth a bit - it seemed like she still wasn't sure if she was singing the right line and didn't want it out there for everyone to see if she made a second mistake. The slight audio sync error should not be an issue at this part of the video. Especially since I have a fixed audio version of the file and everything in it is perfectly in sync, yet the Angel's Song and Over mistakes are still the same. So for Angel's Song, it's basically the same problem as with Theme of A-Nation at cdl 05-06 and safe to say that it was lip synched. Other songs are up in the air, but Angel's Song is the only one that you could say is basically confirmed.

I still love Ayu though. Her occasional lip synching is disappointing because I always prefer live vocals even if they might sound bad but there are still enough other things that I appreciate that it doesn't turn me off from being a fan.

Okay, I guess she did then.

@ Arenia: I'm really sorry. But this is an issue that's related to the singer... it's just like how in a Pokemon forum people complain how the Battle Tower is imbalanced, or how in a Yu-Gi-Oh forum people complain about the dub, or how a Cristiano Ronaldo forum has people discussing about him playing cheats.

It's part and parcel of what this subject does, in this case Ayu. Don't get any of us wrong... I just think it's wrong to blindly love something and ignore every mistake/wrong thing that was made... I, for one, understand why she would do all these things, and I respect her for that.

I'm still very sorry for spoiling your mood.

[Arenia]

Originally Posted by waterballoon

Okay, I guess she did then.

@ Arenia: I'm really sorry. But this is an issue that's related to the singer... it's just like how in a Pokemon forum people complain how the Battle Tower is imbalanced, or how in a Yu-Gi-Oh forum people complain about the dub, or how a Cristiano Ronaldo forum has people discussing about him playing cheats.

It's part and parcel of what this subject does, in this case Ayu. Don't get any of us wrong... I just think it's wrong to blindly love something and ignore every mistake/wrong thing that was made... I, for one, understand why she would do all these things, and I respect her for that.

I'm still very sorry for spoiling your mood.

yeah... i know and i understand too
but, this is NEWS topic right?? PCDL Information right???
i don't know the rules in here
but i'm a moderator in ayu's forum in my country
and it's forbbiden for us to talk about our thought in news topic,
because it's not yet confirm by ayu herself, not official
all of you can discuss this in chat room
that's what i meant
sorry for disrupting your discussion

[waterballoon]

Originally Posted by Arenia

yeah... i know and i understand too
but, this is NEWS topic right?? PCDL Information right???
i don't know the rules in here
but i'm a moderator in ayu's forum in my country
and it's forbbiden for us to talk about our thought in news topic,
because it's not yet confirm by ayu herself, not official
all of you can discuss this in chat room
that's what i meant
sorry for disrupting your discussion

Okay I get what you mean. This thread should be for posting any videos/news/things like that pertaining to the PCDL. =)

@ Melrose: Whatever she sang, it was just weird! Unexplainable mysteries?

[Melrose]

Originally Posted by waterballoon

Okay I get what you mean. This thread should be for posting any videos/news/things like that pertaining to the PCDL. =)

@ Melrose: Whatever she sang, it was just weird! Unexplainable mysteries?

Not for me xD

[Kikaru]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

She says motsu when she was supposed to say mita. Also, at the second time that motsu comes up, she turns her head away and covers her mouth a bit - it seemed like she still wasn't sure if she was singing the right line and didn't want it out there for everyone to see if she made a second mistake. The slight audio sync error should not be an issue at this part of the video. Especially since I have a fixed audio version of the file and everything in it is perfectly in sync, yet the Angel's Song and Over mistakes are still the same. So for Angel's Song, it's basically the same problem as with Theme of A-Nation at cdl 05-06 and safe to say that it was lip synched. Other songs may be up in the air, but Angel's Song is the only one that you could say is basically confirmed.

I still love Ayu though. Her occasional lip synching is disappointing because I always prefer live vocals even if they might sound bad but there are still enough other things that I appreciate that it doesn't turn me off from being a fan.

I really hope I don't bring up another heated discussion (especially with the forum not really working that well) but apart from Angel's Song, which is basically confirmed, and that line in Over, is there any other suspicions even after the audio appears to be in sync?

Overall, I love this concert. Except for the weird fairy costume with the matching bathrobe.

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by Kikaru

I really hope I don't bring up another heated discussion (especially with the forum not really working that well) but apart from Angel's Song, which is basically confirmed, and that line in Over, is there any other suspicions even after the audio appears to be in sync?

Overall, I love this concert. Except for the weird fairy costume with the matching bathrobe.

I really wouldn't want to say since I basically got raked over the coals in other thread even though I hadn't really said anything wrong to begin with and I definitely don't want to go through that again. If others want to take a shot at it though, go ahead.

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

I really wouldn't want to say since I basically got raked over the coals in other thread even though I hadn't really said anything wrong to begin with and I definitely don't want to go through that again. If others want to take a shot at it though, go ahead.

sorry if I was ever mean to you in the end you were just stating the obvious
even though i strongly want to believe that she didn't lip synced Over you did have a point

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

sorry if I was ever mean to you in the end you were just stating the obvious
even though i strongly want to believe that she didn't lip synced Over you did have a point

Oh that's ok. I appreciate your post, but you actually weren't one of the people I was referring to. Thanks all the same though!