[Utada Hikaru] Coming Back to the 23rd Thread♥

[Luv ~Venus~]

Originally Posted by GRACE

Thank you for demonstrating my point, you win a cookie.

No thanks. Your point was that English was hard to learn/speak and implement into music. My point was thay the opposite.

[rikku411]

Originally Posted by jknza2664

On the subject of Hikki lyrics, I actually really like those in the bridge sections of Passion and Making Love which seem intensely personal, sandwiched in songs that speak more generally or create an atmosphere. Or lyrics like in WINGS which are just about everyday sort of things I think she does very well. On the other hand, I think Ayu does the opposite - singing about larger themes of fate, fear, materialism, "the times", etc. - very well. They're kind of like lyrical counterbalances to me.

I think Hikki sings about fear and fate a lot actually, but it's more hidden.. like you said, more like an atmosphere. Hikki once called it a "theme."

I love them both, and they do seem like they balance each other.

[GRACE]

Originally Posted by Luv ~Venus~

No thanks. Your point was that English was hard to learn/speak and implement into music. My point was thay the opposite.

You just keep proving it and proving it.

[jknza2664]

I didn't mean to imply Hikki doesn't use these themes in her songs, but rather that she expresses them to better effect through anecdotal types of lyrics whereas Ayu can explicitly and generally talk about the broader themes, like a philosopher. Haha, I actually do regard Ayu's lyrics as philosophy sometimes. Even songs that exude poppy shallowness on the surface like everywhere nowhere have an interesting lyrical message, but that's neither here nor Hikki

[ayumisrael]

Originally Posted by jknza2664

I didn't mean to imply Hikki doesn't use these themes in her songs, but rather that she expresses them to better effect through anecdotal types of lyrics whereas Ayu can explicitly and generally talk about the broader themes, like a philosopher. Haha, I actually do regard Ayu's lyrics as philosophy sometimes. Even songs that exude poppy shallowness on the surface like everywhere nowhere have an interesting lyrical message, but that's neither here nor Hikki

Spread the ayu & hikki great lyrics love
They are awesome lyrcists.

[Yum!Fruit_Salad!]

Being lyrically repetitive doesn't make a song bad from the get go but it can annoy somebody and make them like it a little less. Just saying so you know, I was borrowing the lyrically repetitve thing from someone else, from TakaSama's descripition of CBTM.

I don't hate Stargate nor Timberland (I know that wasn't directed at anyone) but hearing somthing over and over again is tiring and makes one question their talent. I'll admit to some of their material being catchy but it gets old after so long to hear something copied and pasted, IMO.

[Luv ~Venus~]

Originally Posted by GRACE

You just keep proving it and proving it.

Yes, I know I keep proving my point about your point being seriously wrong.

[jbrat2219]

Originally Posted by Luv ~Venus~

"I hope she makes real music...." What's not so real about her music? Hikki has always had songs that's of the R&B genre but with most of them, of course, in a different language. Come Back To Me is no different from what her R&B songs sound like and are about. You're making it seem like she's selling herself out when she's really not and never have done. I should be the one who feels sorry for you because you just don't seem to understand that for some reason.

You assume this is about the R&B genre, but that's not the problem to me. I'm well aware she's done R&B in the past and Come Back To Me is probably not far from it. But that doesn't mean the song has to be so bland as a whole. There are good R&B ballads out there and there are some not as good ones. IN MY OPINION, this song is a disappoint for me because I feel she can do better than this. It's a nice song, but it's not her best. I've even grown to like it a bit more but I just hope her future songs are a lot better than this. And to be honest, I don't want to discuss it with you any further. Because all in all, it's my opinion and whatever you say isn't going to change my mind, only Hikki's progression from here on.

Originally Posted by Yum!Fruit_Salad!

Being lyrically repetitive doesn't make a song bad from the get go but it can annoy somebody and make them like it a little less. Just saying so you know, I was borrowing the lyrically repetitve thing from someone else, from TakaSama's descripition of CBTM.

I don't hate Stargate nor Timberland (I know that wasn't directed at anyone) but hearing somthing over and over again is tiring and makes one question their talent. I'll admit to some of their material being catchy but it gets old after so long to hear something copied and pasted, IMO.

Being lyrically repetitive is a tool they use to make songs catchy, right? But if they don't do it right, it can become annoying lol

[Yum!Fruit_Salad!]

Yes, keep on progressing Hikki. Get away from the blandness.
What's with the tags again?

[Luv ~Venus~]

Originally Posted by jbrat2219

You assume this is about the R&B genre, but that's not the problem to me. I'm well aware she's done R&B in the past and Come Back To Me is probably not far from it. But that doesn't mean the song has to be so bland as a whole. There are good R&B ballads out there and there are some not as good ones. IN MY OPINION, this song is a disappoint for me because I feel she can do better than this. It's a nice song, but it's not her best. I've even grown to like it a bit more but I just hope her future songs are a lot better than this. And to be honest, I don't want to discuss it with you any further. Because all in all, it's my opinion and whatever you say isn't going to change my mind, only Hikki's progression from here on.

Whoever said that I was trying to change your mind? I hope that's not what you were getting from my post. It's just that you like to flip-flop in some of your posts about some artist's music. But whatever, your opinion is your opinion. I'm cool with it.

[jbrat2219]

Originally Posted by Yum!Fruit_Salad!

Yes, keep on progressing Hikki. Get away from the blandness.
What's with the tags again?

Omg did the amount of tags grow in the last few minutes?

[[kokoro♥]]

Originally Posted by Yum!Fruit_Salad!

Yes, keep on progressing Hikki. Get away from the blandness.
What's with the tags again?

People in this thread being over-dramatic ._.;;

[Luv ~Venus~]

Obsessed people's thread? Oh the irony in that tag.

[greggerz189]

so who produced Come Back To Me?

[Andrenekoi]

I finally read the Come Back to Me lyrics (can't get it all only listening xD Even with brazillian music)

I liked it... so... she cheated on he... what a ***** xD

[Luv ~Venus~]

Originally Posted by greggerz189

so who produced Come Back To Me?

Stargate

@Andrenekoi: I read from another forum that it wasn't about Hikki cheating on him but rather about someone else.

[jbrat2219]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

I liked it... so... she cheated on he... what a ***** xD

That doesn't seem like her style hahahaha But I'll admit, I was curious about that when I heard it too!

[GRACE]

It seemed like Hikki was telling someone else's story in the first person, not her own. She flipped her person several times, so it was sort of confusing.

[amorphose]

LMAO @ all the tags...

I haven't been home in a day and I come back to this big argument. D:

I like to look at "Come Back To Me" as being the "Easy Breezy" of EXODUS (as they are both lead singles from the album.) It seems that everyone's general complaint with CBTM is that it's too generic. I agree on that point; as it is very generic, but I still think it's a very good, solid song! Anyway, I guess what I'm trying to say is look at what followed on the rest of EXODUS, after Easy Breezy, and how vastly different it was from that song.

Hikki is unpredictable. The new English album could be as vastly different from Come Back To Me as Easy Breezy is from EXODUS. No need to get panties in a bunch yet, even if you hate the song!

[jbrat2219]

I wonder who's point of view it was...