Asian music VS. Western music (in terms of creativity)

[jbrat2219]

Originally Posted by Yum!Fruit_Salad!

Also, a woman's breast don't stop growing naturally until you are 25. Beyonce could have a late bloomer. Or maybe she did surgery. Either way, I don't care.

God, I hope I'm a late bloomer, too!

Originally Posted by emiko

um wow, this thread got so unnecessary.

Like Andrenakoi said.

I guess having mature women with big fake boobs as the sexy image is a lot worse than having a girl who looks like she's 15 with fake boobs acting all innocent as the sexy image.


And..."they aren't singers"? *cough* *Morning Musume* *cough*


Cory was right. Neither is any better than the other.

Didn't you post a link somewhere about the age of consent in different countries? I think the list said the age of consent in Japan is 13 years old, so maybe that has something to do with the young idols.

And how did this all turn into boob and sex extravaganza? I thought the "sex" image works in both markets so what does that have to do with anything?

[emi♡]

^It started because I guess njan thought it was necessary to point out how "ready" Western Mainstream stars are for "hard core porn".

The age of consent in Japan ranges. It is 13 in like one prefecture...and then in others it's as high as 18. So, like in the US, it ranges where you're at.

And you're right, it doesn't have to do with anything...so I think we should drop it...since both markets seem perverse and THE SAME.

[jbrat2219]

I think present day Western music is more creative, but if you're talking about traditional music from Asian and Western, I think Asian may have it beat because wasn't it the Chinese that... I don't know, discovered music? xD; lol Sorry if I sound ignorant right now, it's almost 3 am and I'm too lazy to google any of this.

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

I watched The Beyonce Experience those days, and the girl still boobless
Those pic it seens bigger 'cuz of the outfit

BTW, Beyonce, Britney or Mariah would be terrible porn stars in Japan:


Hikaru Koto


Airi & Meiri


Azumi Kawashima


Yua Aida

=D

Hope there is no problem in posting those japanese pornstar pics... If there is any, I can remove them...

I get what you're trying to say but really, you've only proved that even Japanese porn stars look more decent and less "all about sex" than your western "artists"

[Lanz16]

In terms of creativity, I would pick Asian music.
I never got tired of listening Jpop or any kind of Asian pop music.

Western music gives me a feel of "they're all the same".
I really don't know why but I just feel it that way.

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

I get what you're trying to say but really, you've only proved that even Japanese porn stars look more decent and less "all about sex" than your western "artists"

Yeah, they are very kawaii when they are raped on the movies!

[jbrat2219]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

Yeah, they are very kawaii when they are raped on the movies!

Ew!

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

Yeah, they are very kawaii when they are raped on the movies!

Now you're just really being childish. Those movies don't air on channels that Japanese kids watch on daily bases, while I am pretty sure that at least a few millions of people saw Britney's MTV Awards performance. And you've already proved that she looks worse than the Japanese porn stars. And I don't really know what they're doing in Japanese kawaii porns with girls as I don't really watch them, on the other hand you seem perfectly familiar with the way they scream while they are being raped But I see that you finally understand what I meant as otherwise you wouldn't be comparing Japanese porn girls with Western "stars"

[emi♡]

They don't look anymore decent. And it's not just porn stars. It's all the cutesy, bubblegum pop girl bands out there that appeal to japan's general population.

Besides, just because a 15 year old looks like a conservative, 20 year old student, doesn't make it okay.

Or I guess, just to be safe, a 20 year old dressing like a conservative, decent 15 year old.

Those porn stars represent what the Music Industry is trying to put out. The fact that the industry is so ingrained on the culture is actually really disturbing.And there's so many instances in the culture where you can really see the effects of this "lolita complex".

I'm sorry you have to look down on the Western Industry and their stars...but the Japanese industry is no different. They're just as perverted, commercialized, and overexposed as the Western Industry is, and just because they flaunt their sexuality in a different way in order to attract people doesn't make them any more "decent".

To me, it's actually quite sick.

and btw, Britney Spears is a person who needed help. I think it's pathetic that people have to keep hitting a person while they're down.

[jbrat2219]

B.Spears is doing much better and for once, I'm actually happy for her . Now can someone rescue L.Lohan, please? Girl is straight trippin'.

And what about Korea? or China? I'm almost positive Korea uses the same sex tactics that the US uses to sell records. I mean if you see Lee Hyori in a music video and see her candid shots, it's like a totally different person. She's sexed up to the max for her music persona. So in all reality, the "sex sells" rule is no different in any music industry . It just depends on how you use it. If the general public finds women in bear suits sexy and you see a bunch of artists in bear suits in order to sell records, it's the same damn thing lol. So I don't think sex should be the foundation on which music industry is better than the other. Considering how they sell the record (with sex) isn't so creative, but the record itself is the subject here lol.

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by emiko

They don't look anymore decent. And it's not just porn stars. It's all the cutesy, bubblegum pop girl bands out there that appeal to japan's general population.

Besides, just because a 15 year old looks like a conservative, 20 year old student, doesn't make it okay.

Or I guess, just to be safe, a 20 year old dressing like a conservative, decent 15 year old.

Those porn stars represent what the Music Industry is trying to put out. The fact that the industry is so ingrained on the culture is actually really disturbing.And there's so many instances in the culture where you can really see the effects of this "lolita complex".

I'm sorry you have to look down on the Western Industry and their stars...but the Japanese industry is no different. They're just as perverted, commercialized, and overexposed as the Western Industry is, and just because they flaunt their sexuality in a different way in order to attract people doesn't make them any more "decent".

To me, it's actually quite sick.

and btw, Britney Spears is a person who needed help. I think it's pathetic that people have to keep hitting a person while they're down.

Sure I agree with your for the most part Can't argue with most of the things that you've sad.

Let's simply put it this way, I prefer the ways Japanese market and their singers work even though they might be as perverted (which I am pretty sure they are for the most part), but once again there is a difference in being cheap and vulgar which I consider most of the mainstream Western artists to be and what they're doing in Japan. I don't consider most of the j-artists I listen to neither perverted nor vulgar, I am aware that there those in the US as well, but that for the most part they aren't whats popular over there

Don't worry Britney was just an example, you could've placed anyone else's name there instead, I don't hate her nor love her.

Oh and Koreans are another story, as they do in fact rely on western culture way too much for my taste

[Andrenekoi]

~<3 emiko

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

Now you're just really being childish. Those movies don't air on channels that Japanese kids watch on daily bases, while I am pretty sure that at least a few millions of people saw Britney's MTV Awards performance. And you've already proved that she looks worse than the Japanese porn stars. And I don't really know what they're doing in Japanese kawaii porns with girls as I don't really watch them, on the other hand you seem perfectly familiar with the way they scream while they are being raped But I see that you finally understand what I meant as otherwise you wouldn't be comparing Japanese porn girls with Western "stars"

I watch japanese porn (and not only japanese), that's why I know it! Porn is not only fun, but an amazing indicator of cultural aspects of a society... Like the rise of mid-eastern porn stars on the US after the WTC terrorist atack for example.

Japanese men are not interested in sexed up powerful women, that's why most of Koda followers in Japan are girls, while men are more interested in Ai Otsuka

If japanese men are sexual interested in kawaii girls, when a female jpop singer act like that, she is being sexual.... So, considering most of japanese female popstars, Japan's pop market is as sexed up as western.

And I'm considering that you are so concerned about those singer looks that you are comparing them to pornstars without really knowing how they works really are... And sorry, but I think it's a little strange to judge an entire side of the world ('cuz when u say that western pop music is all about sex, you are talking about North American music, Latin American music, Europe music and African music) as sex oriented if you obviously don't really know anything about it....

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

~<3 emiko



I watch japanese porn (and not only japanese), that's why I know it! Porn is not only fun, but an amazing indicator of cultural aspects of a society... Like the rise of mid-eastern porn stars on the US after the WTC terrorist atack for example.

Japanese men are not interested in sexed up powerful women, that's why most of Koda followers in Japan are girls, while men are more interested in Ai Otsuka

If japanese men are sexual interested in kawaii girls, when a female jpop singer act like that, she is being sexual.... So, considering most of japanese female popstars, Japan's pop market is as sexed up as western.

And I'm considering that you are so concerned about those singer looks that you are comparing them to pornstars without really knowing how they works really are... And sorry, but I think it's stupid to judge an entire side of the world ('cuz when u say that western pop music is all about sex, you are taling about North American music, Latin American music, Europe music and African music) as sex oriented if you obviously don't really know anything about it....

That's why I'm aways saying: Those damn otakus!

Sure, I am aware of the things you said ^^ But how come Otsuka and all those girl projects aren't selling now? I watch Japanese porn, just that the ones I watch do not involve girls and I know how perverted they can be. If you count the number of female artists that are actually successful nowdays in Japan you'll that in fact it's not as sexed up as the other one, just look at the top 10 yearly for now GReeeeN is ruling the charts and they don't even know how they look

I already said before that we shouldn't generalize as it all depends from an artist to the other one, but people simply continued and continued. I have previously said that I do not know a lot about the American music market but simply what I saw/heard on TV. I really didn't want to argue..

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

Sure, I am aware of the things you said ^^ But how come Otsuka and all those girl projects aren't selling now? I watch Japanese porn, just that the ones I watch do not involve girls and I know how perverted they can be. If you count the number of female artists that are actually successful nowdays in Japan you'll that in fact it's not as sexed up as the other one, just look at the top 10 yearly for now GReeeeN is ruling the charts and they don't even know how they look

I already said before that we shouldn't generalize as it all depends from an artist to the other one, but people simply continued and continued. I have previously said that I do not know a lot about the American music market but simply what I saw/heard on TV. I really didn't want to argue..

Ok, sorry^^
Let's just be friends and forget it... It just get's a little on my nervers when I see someone talking about something they don't really know (and yeah, you said that you don't know american music market, but I think u have the right of having ur own opinion). Just if you are interested, take a further look on some american pop stars... Madonna's and Beyonce's works for example have a considerable amount of depth, even if they have a very sexy image...

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

Ok, sorry^^
Let's just be friends and forget it... It just get's a little on my nervers when I see someone talking about something they don't really know (and yeah, you said that you don't know american music market, but I think u have the right of having ur own opinion). Just if you are interested, take a further look on some american pop stars... Madonna's and Beyonce's works for example have a considerable amount of depth, even if they have a very sexy image...

I've really loved Madonna (2Unlimited, Snap!, Thalia and loads of others) when I was a kid and I grew up listening to her music and western music in general I even had her Hungary concert on a VC and I used to watch it like crazy. I kinda lost interest in her since 2000 Don't get me wrong I listen to Blackmore's Night, Within Temptation, EvaneScence and Jade's and Geo's works so it's not that I don't listen to non Asian music. I used to be into many german pop acts around 2002 too, but in time I've simply lost interest as it all seemed pretty similar one way or another. I don't really mind their sexy image, but here where I live people don't even consider trying out anything else if it doesn't have an "over-sexed" image you don't even want to see Serbian turbo folk stars (most of them actually have porn tapes not to mention they literally only sing about cheating and sex) so I guess that's one of the things that makes me dislike the whole idea

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

I've really loved Madonna (2Unlimited, Snap!, Thalia and loads of others) when I was a kid and I grew up listening to her music and western music in general I even had her Hungary concert on a VC and I used to watch it like crazy. I kinda lost interest in her since 2000 Don't get me wrong I listen to Blackmore's Night, Within Temptation, EvaneScence and Jade's and Geo's works so it's not that I don't listen to non Asian music. I used to be into many german pop acts around 2002 too, but in time I've simply lost interest as it all seemed pretty similar one way or another. I don't really mind their sexy image, but here where I live people don't even consider trying out anything else if it doesn't have an "over-sexed" image you don't even want to see Serbian turbo folk stars (most of them actually have porn tapes not to mention they literally only sing about cheating and sex) so I guess that's one of the things that makes me dislike the whole idea

I see a lot of female sexed up artists not to do a "I'm to sexy for my clothers" thing, but more like a girl empowerement about their own sexualit... Something like "This is my body, and I'm hot, but you only can have it if I let you", what is very against sexism, where sexy women need to play the prostitute role everytime...^^ But I know some female singers from europe from some countries whose music market don't have much appeal worldwide, and some of them are REALLY sex-oriented, in a porn-like way.

About everything sounding the same, it's common when a music style is not ur cup of tea... I have this problem with most metal bands, punk rock and indie rock^^

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

About everything sounding the same, it's common when a music style is not ur cup of tea... I have this problem with most metal bands, punk rock and indie rock^^

Yeah I have the same probs with most of those, espec. visual kei (styled) bands, even their vocals tend to sound the same to me as I think that adopting a single genre is very limiting someone's creativity

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

Yeah I have the same probs with most of those, espec. visual kei (styled) bands, even their vocals tend to sound the same to me as I think that adopting a single genre is very limiting someone's creativity

Well, that's why I like pop music, it's one of the only music "genre" (cuz it's not really a genre, it's only a way to say it's mainstream) where you can mix everything you want on ur music, and still need to make it appealing

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

Well, that's why I like pop music, it's one of the only music "genre" (cuz it's not really a genre, it's only a way to say it's mainstream) where you can mix everything you want on ur music, and still need to make it appealing

Yeah, though I tend not to like calling everything pop, as one can hardly classify Kalafina (<3) and Namie Amuro (for example) both as pop, but yeah over all I agree I like it better if people don't stick to one genre even if we simply have to call it pop. Sadly many people have a wrong image of the "pop" term.

[Lady~Deviance]

In order to make a fair judgment, I'm not going to be biased. I feel that both cultures have very strong artists and weak artists in terms of authenticity. I adore Asian music because of the fast pace, catchy songs available. Besides Asian music takes a good amount of its influence from other cultures and christen it their own.

When it comes down to the more heartfelt, poignant songs I go with Western music. For instance Whitney Houston, Celine Dion, John Mayer, One Republic, Michael Jackson or Mariah Carey. I have yet to find any artist in Asia to match their level of originality.

Overall I vote for Western music