Ayu Twitter/Weibo Discussion #31

[ayumisrael]

Originally Posted by Mai82Go

Is it really weird? Maybe it is - if you believe that everything that Ayu writes in her entries is the whole true story. But maybe, just maybe it is only Ayu's truth, or even the truth that avex wants her to publish. Yes, I'm repeating myself here, but I don't think this story is as simple as evil Leslie Kee/ good Ayumi Hamasaki. The dancers may have another version of the story, and maybe Leslie himself sees things a bit differently, too.

This drama is so strange, I just want it to stop.

Because she planned in advance to post on twitter she met with someone and was shocked and then after a few hours to post that post on TA and then a morning after another post.

I'm not saying leslie evil/ayu good but even if there's something that's missing, it doesn't mean it has to do anything with something that ayu has done, but leslie did. Unless of course if ayu would serve them almost naked to leslie and tell him (or co operate) to publish it and make money from it.
If you imply that her story (well tweeting>posting on TA) is completely unbelieveable. I would at least give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but run and say she's posting on TA whatever avex wants her or that it's false, seems like not giving her any benefit of doubt.

Being open to the public by net and having friends co-workers that are very public at what they do can be a trouble magnet when you are famous, but I don't think that ayu will or should change herself to prevent these dramas but should try to minimize them.

For now it seems more like an AHS (maybe twitter too) exclusive drama as we have no tabloids saying anything about it (at least yet or at all).

[douggn]

Originally Posted by Mai82Go

Is it really weird? Maybe it is - if you believe that everything that Ayu writes in her entries is the whole true story. But maybe, just maybe it is only Ayu's truth, or even the truth that avex wants her to publish. Yes, I'm repeating myself here, but I don't think this story is as simple as evil Leslie Kee/ good Ayumi Hamasaki. The dancers may have another version of the story, and maybe Leslie himself sees things a bit differently, too.

This drama is so strange, I just want it to stop.

Peco is a bit different. She is no longer part of ayu's staff. She is a friend and if you look at her pictures, they are not bad for her to be released compared to ayus male dancers. Peco is off doing her own thing now. Its more about how Leslie released the photos when he told ayus dancers they would only be for ayus eyes

[pimenta]

Originally Posted by ayumisrael

Something is really wierd.

Peco was at Leslie's exhibition, and she looked like she enjoyed herself.

She did??
Well, maybe she didn't mind the pictures being used for the photobook? I don't know, it is weird indeed, but maybe she liked the idea... She's not an Ayu staff anymore, so what she does won't reflect on Ayu on contrary of the dancers. Though I would expect her to feel bad for what Leslie did to them as they were all close... I don't know.

Or we could get into all those conspiracy theories that it's all a big lie... But I don't want to get into that, that will be just an endless discussion full of random speculations...

[Minttulatte]

More drama around Leslie's photoshoots? Yeah, I usually like his photoshoots but these nude photos are quite... awkward. I would never want any of my friends do those kind of things for me tbh. I would be so pissed off, so I understand how Ayu and her friends feel about this. :<

And the new song sounds better now! I'm excited for it! 8D

[majrakun]

Well, to be fair, Ayu herself did say if it the photobook was presented to her under different circumstances, and by different I mean when it was supposed to be private, she would have just laughed about it. So yeah, Ayu does have a sense of humour about those kind of things.

[freedreamer]

new song sounds happy and euro (yay!)

and wow i just got to know of the drama..
tsk..leslie.
thank god she has ND and that harpaar's bazaar HK guy to style her (i hope)

[ayu_fantasy]

Originally Posted by freedreamer

new song sounds happy and euro (yay!)

and wow i just got to know of the drama..
tsk..leslie.
thank god she has ND and that harpaar's bazaar HK guy to style her (i hope)

Haha! Yup.. But I wonder if it would be awkward if she work with ND chow and Alvin goh in future... Both of them seem to be quite linked with Leslie kee..

[Deibel]

It's true, Peco was there.
And yes, her smile is quite dazzling.



Well, I think that although she doesn't belong to ayu's staff anymore, and she doesn't represent ayu in any way, the true is that she does, in some way. Otherwise, her name would never have appeared in this thread, right? and it did, 'cause she'll be always related to ayu. Also, they stopped working together, but maybe they're still friends, or have some kind of relation, whether good or bad.

All the exhibition follows a coherent line (okay, the same line that Kee have been following since he was born, but a line anyway), and the dancer's pics are also under that line. Those pics are not different from the rest, they are not casual portraits or something; they are a part of the exhibition, as well as the rest. For that reason, I can't believe those pics were really a gift to ayu or whatever.. to me, it's a part of his project, a part as studied and designed as the other exhibited images, in order to build a cohesive composition.

If he wanted to take some pics for a bday gift, he would do something totally different. To me it's a real nonsense, and the only logical reason I can find, is that they were never meant to be ayu's gift. I don't think she's a liar, but there's a part of the story that's missing, that's for sure (to me, at least).

It would be good and interesting to hear what the dancers have to say about this whole drama.

PS: I just found a post on leslie's facebook thay says:

「SUPER LOVE」 by LESLIE KEE

拡散希望！！！！！！！！この映像ぜひ見て！！！！広がって！！！
share this video clip of SUPER LOVE with your love ones !

Leslie Kee 15th Anniversary Photobook
Dedicating this book to Ryan, Danny, Teddy, Ayu, Yuming and all my friends & fans!!
Celebrating LOVE with 500 people around the world.
All styling with a piece of Comme des Carres -
a silk scarf collaboration of Comme des Garcons & Hermes.

I don't know, maybe it's just a misunderstanding between ayu and leslie, and the one who's making a big deal about it are us.

[kinix]

Originally Posted by Deibel

It's true, Peco was there.
And yes, her smile is quite dazzling.



Well, I think that although she doesn't belong to ayu's staff anymore, and she doesn't represent ayu in any way, the true is that she does, in some way. Otherwise, her name would never have appeared in this thread, right? and it did, 'cause she'll be always related to ayu. Also, they stopped working together, but maybe they're still friends, or have some kind of relation, whether good or bad.

All the exhibition follows a coherent line (okay, the same line that Kee have been following since he was born, but a line anyway), and the dancer's pics are also under that line. Those pics are not different from the rest, they are not casual portraits or something; they are a part of the exhibition, as well as the rest. For that reason, I can't believe those pics were really a gift to ayu or whatever.. to me, it's a part of his project, a part as studied and designed as the other exhibited images, in order to build a cohesive composition.

If he wanted to take some pics for a bday gift, he would do something totally different. To me it's a real nonsense, and the only logical reason I can find, is that they were never meant to be ayu's gift. I don't think she's a liar, but there's a part of the story that's missing, that's for sure (to me, at least).

It would be good and interesting to hear what the dancers have to say about this whole drama.

PS: I just found a post on leslie's facebook thay says:



I don't know, maybe it's just a misunderstanding between ayu and leslie, and the one who's making a big deal about it are us.

I don't think it's a misunderstanding. From ayu's tweet, she mentioned about meeting somebody before her verdict. And the "speechless" entry came after that (meaning she had met either the dancers or leslie)

Spoiler:

一言ぐらい、、、相談とまでは言わないが、報告ぐらいは欲しかったな、、、というのが今の正直な気持ち。シ ョックである。以上。
1:30 PM - 11 Oct 13 · Details

TA更新しました---> 「speechless」日本語版 Uploaded on my TA blog---> 「speechless」in English
7:21 PM - 11 Oct 13 · Details

And from the details from the "speechless" entry, I think she just met leslie and was disappointed with his reply.
[ACTIONS ALWAYS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS. ] this quote seems to be targeted at his actions too.

[kimmeh]

It's Leslie Kee's 15year anni? As in he has been a photographer for 15 years..?

[Deibel]

Originally Posted by kimmeh

It's Leslie Kee's 15year anni? As in he has been a photographer for 15 years..?

According to wikipedia, it is.

Arriving in Tokyo in 1993, Kee was faced with a language barrier. To overcome it, he learned the Japanese language at a local institution. Kee applied to join a photography diploma course at the Tokyo Visual Arts School, graduating in 1997. He was jobless for around a year, until in 1998, when City Magazine hired him to work on a cover shoot featuring Takeshi Kaneshiro. The magazine company Vogue Taiwan, impressed with Kee's skills, asked him to work for them. Since then Kee has been shooting for Vogue.

I don't think there are reasons to distrust this. He was a photographer before and after ayu, she did not discovered him or something.

[AyUmIXx]

^
^ is that the man that peco took this pic together with? is it her husband?

[waterballoon]

looking at what Leslie's post on his Facebook, it really does seem like there could be some sort of misunderstanding.

anyway whatever it is, both Aayu and Leslie are humans and humans come into conflict, and they make mistakes.

why we, as fellow humans, are judging and speculating (okay right me too...) regarding their matters is beyond me.

Ayu is pissed off and she has her own reasons. It's her emotions, it's her co-workers, it's her brand name, it's her troupe, it's her "family", it's her mind. I think she has every right to be pissed off. Right or not, that's beyond what we can decide.

[koumori]

Peco looks so beautiful in that photo from the event.

[Minttulatte]

Seeing Peco in that photo makes me miss her. It's so weird that after she left the troupe I realized how much I actually liked her being there. D:

[pimenta]

I still think that the Mannie incident and this new incident have no relation and shouldn't be compared as being the same at all. Mannie wanted the photobook to be sold, it was said it would be sold every since the beginning, he himself advertised it. Mannie and Leslie had agreed on that, we wasn't fooled, Leslie had the rights to go sell the photobook wherever he wanted to. The dancers, on the other hand, wanted it to be kept private and for Ayu only (or that's what we were told, and I don't feel like saying people are lying about it). It's two very different things to sell your "gift" publicly and to keep the gift just for the person it is intended to, the impressions these two things transmit are completely different.
If that's the case, then Leslie didn't have the right to publish the pictures of the dancers (though why Peco knew about the exhibition beforehand, I have no idea, maybe Leslie did let them know afterwards that the pictures were going to be displayed and that's when they all realized they were fooled, and Peco on the other hand liked the idea and went there, but I don't know, it's enough speculation already). And if they trusted Leslie as a friend, then I don't see why they should have realized he would use the pictures differently then what he told them. It may have been be naive of them to do so, but you can't blame them for trusting someone they considered to be their friend. That's my opinion about it.

[waterballoon]

does anyone find it kinda.... creepy that.. I mean, imaging Leslie bringing a few copies of Super Mannie and Super Whatever-else into the gay district of Tokyo , and then selling them there like you would expect them to be sent to the stores to be sold lol

[happiholic★]

Its simple to me. Surprise Leslie Photobook Number One didn't go well. She already stated she didn't like the images. They should have thought of a better gift idea. Its extremely naive. And I also still think there is some truth missing, and so far we only have Ayu's statement which is of course going to make her camp look best.

[primavera♥]

Originally Posted by happiholic★

Its simple to me. Surprise Leslie Photobook Number One didn't go well. She already stated she didn't like the images. They should have thought of a better gift idea. Its extremely naive. And I also still think there is some truth missing, and so far we only have Ayu's statement which is of course going to make her camp look best.

There's different reasons as to why the situation didn't work with mannie. Some interview in some mag exists where she was talking about all thatt divorce stuff and the pictures...ayu is not going to view it similarly with her dancers, especially when these pics aren't even as sensual, and she said she'd like them (truth or not?) and also this time, it was more about betrayal and images being released when they shouldn't have been and etc. Trust is a complex thing, I doubt they would naturally distrust him, not after the mannie thing, because it's not the same. And leslie's been around for a while and has done other things. People don't have to drop someone out of their lives after doing one thing wrong anyway, especially when it's more complicated than right or wrong but really about other things. A situation like this would be more so when to lose trust. Ayu's dancers just did what they wanted and so did leslie, and now ayu is involved and has to deal with it.

You seem to be on the biased track though where only if the story is awful and shows badly on ayu and dancers will it be true. Which isn't any better than the other line of bias.

[happiholic★]

Originally Posted by primavera♥

There's different reasons as to why the situation didn't work with mannie. Some interview in some mag exists where she was talking about all thatt divorce stuff and the pictures...ayu is not going to view it similarly with her dancers, especially when these pics aren't even as sensual, and she said she'd like them (truth or not?) and also this time, it was more about betrayal and images being released when they shouldn't have been and etc. Trust is a complex thing, I doubt they would naturally distrust him, not after the mannie thing, because it's not the same. And leslie's been around for a while and has done other things. People don't have to drop someone out of their lives after doing one thing wrong anyway, especially when it's more complicated than right or wrong but really about other things. A situation like this would be more so when to lose trust. Ayu's dancers just did what they wanted and so did leslie, and now ayu is involved and has to deal with it.

You seem to be on the biased track though where only if the story is awful and shows badly on ayu and dancers will it be true. Which isn't any better than the other line of bias.

Ugh, that line is coming back to bite me in the ass again. Honestly, I'm not mad or offended. Not at Ayu, not at her dancers. I'm just not surprised that the photos came out. I am not out to prove Ayu as some sort of lie-telling demon, I'm just skeptical. I do consider her one of my most favorite artists.