FLOWER & Mad World (Short ver. MVs on YouTube)

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

Yes, let's disagree, because this is your opinion, not a fact. To me, for example, her best concept execution started around 2010. On the same way I really dislike Secret and RNRC and some people find those the peak of her creativity, and that's ok. This seen to be an idea particulary hard for you to get considering you enjoy taking part entering in discussions about releases you dislike to say everyone who likes it are making up excuses but you are enlighted enough to see it for the shit it is, and this is really annoying.

in the same vein, the way you vehemently defend her lukewarm works from "around 2010" is really annoying because you rarely present your opinions as opinions, but as facts, and that if anyone disagrees with you, they're immediately viewed as some sort of troll or annoying personality.

I don't think that's true. I don't have a boner for her earlier works, and I don't dislike Ayu right now or think she's horrible. I still pretty much am a huge fan, and all I'm saying is - I don't really like her execution in the past 6 years or so.

you quoting what i typed, but only quoting a particular paragraph shows me that you're picking on my words and that you just don't like it when someone criticizes Ayu, which i find baffling.

if you work for her, and you're part of her crew, and so you end up praising everything she does, which leads to where she is today, I understand, cos you know, she gives you her paycheck.

but we're fans on a forum, and last i checked, a forum is a place for us to discuss opinions. i may have been a sarcastic person at times, but i don't think i've ever rudely criticized Ayu or say hurtful things like, "her career is over".

i like what i like, and i dislike what i dislike. if i give reasonable explanations to my preferences, i don't see how i am annoying.

this is Ayumi Hamasaki Sekai Forum, not the AHS Circlejerk.

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

@Spancer - I disagree that there's been a drop in quality of her music. With the PVs ayu's never been consistent to begin with so I can't really see a pattern there...

yeah I was mainly referring to her PVs.. music has been top-notch as always.. just that even if she had really cheesy PVs like ANGEL'S SONG, at least the execution was fine and everything was clear and concise.. not a haphazard mess lol