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Old 4th November 2004, 06:14 AM
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It was a brave PV - maybe she wanted to make it more matching the song? "A rockish, angry style"?

As for me it's a PV about love, but not about romantic, idealistic love, but about 20th century love - not fulfilled.

There are 5 prostitutes (or 6 if I'm not mistaken). They are shown randomly. At first I didn't even notice one was one of them shown and when the other ones were.

Ayu is NOT a prostitute. She's like a person who tells the story.

There are men who pay the prostitutes for sexual performances etc. But none of them know that the prostitutes have feelings for them.

There is a moment when one of the guys sees Ayu in the TV (an interesting thing - the main screen shows only the body, only the smaller screent on top of the main one shows the face) - he discovers the feelings a prostitute had for him.

He brings her flowers... why is he rejected? Please notice that he brought flowers to ALL 6 girls. They rejected him. As long as he was doing it for mere male pleassure it didn't hurt the girls. But when he tried to play with their feelings - it was too much.

Also an interesting thing - the anime that is shown in the TV in the prostitutes' room. The anime shows a perfect love. The girl in the anime falls in love, is unhappy because of love but all this ends happy... a perfect happy end. But the reality isn't like that. The reality is crual and it doesn't have a happy ending. "Life" is not a "fairy tale".

And the white fluid... I think it was supposed to look like semen, at first glance (to match the whole theme of the PV). But I suppose it does have a special meaning, I mean - come on - Ayu wouldn't put SEMEN in her PV without it having a meaning. I think I will stick with the version that says that the "whiteness" is just a symbol of purity... and they all are purified at the end of the PV...

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*bows* *_____* thanks so much for the explanation! I thought that that guy saw the prostitutes and fell in love. But the prostitutes didn't want the "innocent" guy to be tainted by the likes of them..so they pushed him out. XD But your explanation sounds alot more valid. thanks!
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Old 4th November 2004, 11:46 AM
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It was a brave PV - maybe she wanted to make it more matching the song? "A rockish, angry style"?

As for me it's a PV about love, but not about romantic, idealistic love, but about 20th century love - not fulfilled.

There are 5 prostitutes (or 6 if I'm not mistaken). They are shown randomly. At first I didn't even notice one was one of them shown and when the other ones were.

Ayu is NOT a prostitute. She's like a person who tells the story.

There are men who pay the prostitutes for sexual performances etc. But none of them know that the prostitutes have feelings for them.

There is a moment when one of the guys sees Ayu in the TV (an interesting thing - the main screen shows only the body, only the smaller screent on top of the main one shows the face) - he discovers the feelings a prostitute had for him.

He brings her flowers... why is he rejected? Please notice that he brought flowers to ALL 6 girls. They rejected him. As long as he was doing it for mere male pleassure it didn't hurt the girls. But when he tried to play with their feelings - it was too much.

Also an interesting thing - the anime that is shown in the TV in the prostitutes' room. The anime shows a perfect love. The girl in the anime falls in love, is unhappy because of love but all this ends happy... a perfect happy end. But the reality isn't like that. The reality is crual and it doesn't have a happy ending. "Life" is not a "fairy tale".

And the white fluid... I think it was supposed to look like semen, at first glance (to match the whole theme of the PV). But I suppose it does have a special meaning, I mean - come on - Ayu wouldn't put SEMEN in her PV without it having a meaning. I think I will stick with the version that says that the "whiteness" is just a symbol of purity... and they all are purified at the end of the PV...

A long post - if someone managed to read it - please share comments!
shiso that is exactly wat i believe, except i neva thought about the white stuff was supposed to look like semen
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Old 9th November 2004, 04:39 AM
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Kazuko thought the white stuff was milk..and really...why would she put MILK in there. > >;;
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Old 9th November 2004, 10:58 PM
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Actually, I was thinking...
The white stuff is sticky. Perhaps, it's holding her down, like she's trapped and can't move on.
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i thought it was a beautiful pv. yes its about prostitutes, but its more than that. its actually about they're insecurity, the fact that they feel trapped in that lifestyle. they can't love. a sad sad existence. the guy treats her bad and then he realises his mistake, he realises that she's a real person and goes back to apologise. ayumi's just trying to help us to understand that these are real people, they dont choose this lifestyle because they like it, they are in pain. showing even herself as a prostitute conveys that these are real people, all kinds of people. u shouldnt see it as so black and white. and i think the white stuff is innocence. the pv's about EMOTIONS not sex, jeez ppl
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Old 9th November 2004, 11:06 PM
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and yea i totally agree with shiso
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Old 9th November 2004, 11:22 PM
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prostitutes usually don't want the semen to get on them anyway ..
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Old 9th November 2004, 11:41 PM
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semen???? yeah it did not look like semen x_x

i like the white purity idea as well o.o
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Old 9th November 2004, 11:42 PM
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the pv's about EMOTIONS not sex, jeez ppl
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yes its about prostitutes, but its more than that. its actually about they're insecurity, the fact that they feel trapped in that lifestyle. they can't love. a sad sad existence. the guy treats her bad and then he realises his mistake, he realises that she's a real person and goes back to apologise.
agree. I thought part of the PV's theme was the way some people treat other human beings like objects. That guy realized that the prostitutes were human beings too and then he felt bad about the way he had treated them before. Anyway, that's my take in brief.
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Old 10th November 2004, 12:11 AM
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She wakes up - in literature this would be called an awakening, or transition from one phase to another, BLAH he throws money at her on the bed, kinda shows he is careless (at least now) and wipes his nose with his hand, and slams the door.
To me that says he doesnt have feelings for her.
The transition then, to me, is that if it IS starring prostitutes, he must have acted differently at first - he paid to get it on, right? She's in a bed, people who think this isnt using a theme of sex are just putting a blind spot on what they cant accept.

The red crosses mean something too. They're in the bedroom, and outside when they are on that turn table thing. I dont know what it means.

I like the room. There are no windows but one door. And in that door is like a peek-hole the men are oustide lookin in. I think. I may have to watch it again but okay.
THE CHILD TOYS on the shelves definitely represent PURITY or INNOCENCE.
I dont know why they are trapped in that room.
Maybe they feel trapped. With nothing to look at but purity and innocence...

The white stuff, heh, I dont want to be as bold asnmfirsaeg Yeah semen doesnt look like that, but what else could it be? Ayumi's not going to (in reality) WALLOW in SEMEN, and what do we know about semen?
-It's whitish
-It's sticky & runny LOL
-And only men can make it! sorry girlies
Okay so, is it white? chyeah, is it runny? chyeah, is it sticky? I dont know but its still on her hands after running off of it. And theres that man paying the prostitute in the beginning with no feelings. I think it must be semen.
So if it's manjuice, why is it even mentioned? I think it was a bit TOO bold of ayumi (or whoever made her do this).
Personally, the stuff to me means consummation, desire, and something extremely intimate.

It's really bold, yeah, and its making a bold statement.
I think it is interesting to note the bigger television is the one her body is displayed, and her face on the smaller one, Kinda like You have to look past just the sexiness!
There is someone who needs love behind the money.
Thats what I think.
The roses - I think he realizes something. Its in his eyes, and he gives it to the girls. I dont know if he gave it to all of the girls, or if those people represent ALL girls feeling trapped, or ALL men feeling like they dont care past the big tv.

But she doesnt accept the rose.
Thats what I dont understand,
maybe it just hurts too much?
Because she cries at the end.

It may be gross, I personally HATE this PV,
but it has a lot of symbolism, used to express something really intimate, I think.
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Old 10th November 2004, 01:27 AM
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but why would the backdrop (which is all dark and dank) be covered in splooge in the end? that part doesn't make sense with the semen theory.
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Old 10th November 2004, 02:02 AM
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but why would the backdrop (which is all dark and dank) be covered in splooge in the end? that part doesn't make sense with the semen theory.
Because people don't know how to use logic and rational thinking.
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