Ayu's vibrato- Fake?

[Alessia_Tateno]

Originally Posted by Delirium-Zer0

I know alot of you are saying that "fake" vibrato is still vibrato, but it's really not. Singers are taught a correct way for a reason. Ayu's fake vibrato is MUCH less efficient as far as her use of breath. Vocal coaches don't teach throat/voice vibrato just to make it harder for their students. The correct way is correct so that people don't run out of breath or ruin their voices over time.

I agree, her vibrato is not real vibrato, its just not vibrato. she still have problems with singin', in her debut she didnt know how to sing (just watch her first concert of 2000...I really cant hear it its horrible for my taste) and many people said: but its the beginning so its normal..not normal at all since there are singers that in their FIRST concert have PERFECT voice, well trained..if I were in that concert I would really go away after the first song (the first song is the one who give u more impact and maybe the most horrible of all the concert for the way she sang it)
After that I saw A museum...the way she sings A SONG FOR XX is damn much better than horrible A SONG FOR XX of Concert Tour of 2000...her voice is so damn good improved now..but her vibrato is just fake, she have to work a lot still to make a real one...in this world there are people with natural voice talent which are the ones who learn without many efforts and people who have to really work hard and I think she is in this category (that means she have to work more hard than many other singers)...she still have to work hard (dont forget in the beginning of career she used to skip vocal lessons but since she was not in the position to skip it since her voice was sooooooo bad..I really cant listen to TRUST album version...my hears cant stand it) we saw the results on her first concert...and second...and third...I think she did work hard to get better voice and to keep to be the "Most Popular Diva" of Japan and also we can see the results in her latests concerts...even thought most of her fans in Japan will listen to her even if her voice is horrible as 5 years ago because "blind" of love for her. She can be more better if she wants..but she just continue to overdo with her fake vibrato and it will ruin her voice...
Ok I went a little OT ^^ Sorry ^^
Anyway I like her now much better.

[Echiko]

XD hehe. I know. Ayu's voice isn't professional like other singers. I also believe the vibrato is prolly fake..although i have no knowledge of vocals. But strangely enough, many still love her singing eh? haha

[PrismaticTears]

Originally Posted by Delirium-Zer0

I know alot of you are saying that "fake" vibrato is still vibrato, but it's really not. Singers are taught a correct way for a reason. Ayu's fake vibrato is MUCH less efficient as far as her use of breath. Vocal coaches don't teach throat/voice vibrato just to make it harder for their students. The correct way is correct so that people don't run out of breath or ruin their voices over time.

Thank you for saving me time Just to add on wiggling your jaw can cause the muscles to tense which is terrible for singing aside from as Delirium already pointed out is just durn inefficient. Some of you have said, "Oh I've seen so and so sing like this and they're professionals!" Ayumi is a professional singer, hell, people like Britney Spears are professional. Generally people apply the tag "professional" to a singer as is defined by, "people buy their singing." Once you have it made you're considered professional but that doesn't mean you're perfect and I've seen plenty who shun generally standard techniques because either a) they simply don't know how to properly use them or b) for the sake of preserving their own particular sound for a piece or c) that's how they want to sound.

Considering she had voice lessons in NY, pretty much -the- place to get singing lessons if any outside of LA if you're looking for world-reknowned trainers, she was undoubtedly shown how to do it, but I believe she has trouble with execution. Her performance of "Haru Yo Koi" at the Music Fair is one of my favorite performances of her aside from just being beautiful, for the most part she used normal vibrato so that her usual, "ahAHahAHah" didn't detract from her singing. Of course most other songs she uses the fake vibrato *cringe*

[AyUmIXx]

no way..
Ayu is not using a fake vibration...
That vibration is her voice....

What I believe that...
Ayu trained her self to do that vibration... for 7 years..her voice improves much... and her vibra also improves..
We know that she never used vibration on her debut album..
but along her 7 years to release albums...her vibration is finally shaped into the perfect one!

[yamogi]

i believe there are no FAKE vibrato, singers move their jaw when using vibrato is just a HIBBIT and increase the effect of vibrato. Many of you miss one thing, there are TWO kinds of vibrato used nowadays by singers.

one uses breath to do which is powerful and deeper, just like opera singer, choir and the way that your school music teacher sing: the other one is using mouth and throat to trap/release the note which is less powerful but MUCH easier,and it is a TRUE vibrato which singing teacher taught me and she said if you are going to sing pop song , the second one is the most suitable while the first one will make the song become LESS emotional.

The one which ayu used in heatplace is the first one, in other song which in greatful day is the second one.

what you guys said has only concentrated on the first kind of vibrato, in fact there are MORE than one kind of vibrato.

[Neo Daydream]

ok, i DO have a vocal training and knowledge and i DO know that even if it is a learned vibrato, itz a vibrato that Ayu uses. also, those of you that stated this are right: throaty vibrato (like the kind Ayu uses) is very harmful in the long run and not a healthy habit for a singer. But look at Ayu's throat! there's a HUGE muscle there!

[walking proud]

Originally Posted by Neo Daydream

ok, i DO have a vocal training and knowledge and i DO know that even if it is a learned vibrato, itz a vibrato that Ayu uses. also, those of you that stated this are right: throaty vibrato (like the kind Ayu uses) is very harmful in the long run and not a healthy habit for a singer. But look at Ayu's throat! there's a HUGE muscle there!

It's not vibrato if she has to move her mouth. And you're acting as if you're the only one that's ever had vocal training here- I've been trained for years and years and that's why I asked such a question. True vibrato is supposed to come from within your throat and you shouldn't even have to move your mouth.

[Rebirthia]

once i almost fall off my chair! the super great RAINBOW performance with chorus and stuff, and special performance , with the full song, (i can't recall the channel.. but it was the only time it was sung full, i think)

she made the vibrato by moving the micro to one side and the other!!!

[AyUmIXx]

Ehm..
trust me singing using your throat is going to kill you throat and you will lose your voice entirely.....
good singer always sings using their stomach power...the breath that should be taken is from stomach... and to do the vibration is actually come from your stomach power too.. it's a better way than using your throat...

but you may see that it's looked like Ayu is always using her throat coz her throat seems like shaking when she sings or does vibras...but if she kept using throat power... trust me.. she will never do so many concerts in a week...So I believe that she's not using throat power to sing..

All singers are being trained to sing by using stomach power...
coz it's the best technic to earn a good voice as well as a good vibra..

[RubbishMui]

so how can we learn this? is it really hard?
how can you tell if you have a good natural voice or not?

[AyUmIXx]

Originally Posted by RubbishMui

so how can we learn this? is it really hard?
how can you tell if you have a good natural voice or not?

well.. as in my own view...
someone who can REALLY sing if he/she has a good rhythm along the singing, whether his voice ables to catch up the song's rhythm or not.. and also the intonation must be good as well... some parts of the song have the cresendo or decresendo part which you have to follow it in order to sing the song well

I'm not saying that you should sing exactly like the real singer .. but at least you know how's the music going as well as the ryhthm...
the music slow...you have to follow it slow.. the music fast you have to follow it fast.....

everybody can learn how to sing... it's just the matter, you like singing or not..
if you don't like singing you can't force to be a good singer...if you like singing.. Thanks God...you still have that talent inside you..all you need to do is just to practice in a good way...

good tip for learning how to sing well:
SINGING USING YOUR STOMACH POWER not THROAT POWER!

I'm not really a good singer but that's at least something I can tell you from what I've seen on my own singing lesson DVD...
I'm learning it my self too..

[RubbishMui]

it's good to hear everyone can sing well as long as they practice!!

but it's hard to use stomach power when you don't have someone telling you how...sometimes i seem like i'm singing using my stomach and sometimes i use my throat... hard to control~~

[AyUmIXx]

but if you do keep training it..you will automatically using your stomach...
not good using your throat..it's hurting..you can only last for 3-4 songs..then your voice becomes harsh....

take the deep breath using your stomach..
your breath keeps inside your stomach..then you push your stomach up..and hold it...when you start to sing..you take your breath out slowly...and it will be turned out really good..and trust me you can sing more than 10 songs a day..hehe..

[Neo Daydream]

Originally Posted by walking proud

you're acting as if you're the only one that's ever had vocal training here- I've been trained for years and years and that's why I asked such a question. True vibrato is supposed to come from within your throat and you shouldn't even have to move your mouth.

i don't think i'm the only one here with vocal training. i'm just saying what i know. i'm sorry if i came off like a 'know-it-all'. Gomen.


Vibrato is vibrato, whether itz from throat or diaphragm.

[walking proud]

Originally Posted by AyUmIXx

well.. as in my own view...
someone who can REALLY sing if he/she has a good rhythm along the singing, whether his voice ables to catch up the song's rhythm or not.. and also the intonation must be good as well... some parts of the song have the cresendo or decresendo part which you have to follow it in order to sing the song well

I'm not saying that you should sing exactly like the real singer .. but at least you know how's the music going as well as the ryhthm...
the music slow...you have to follow it slow.. the music fast you have to follow it fast.....

everybody can learn how to sing... it's just the matter, you like singing or not..
if you don't like singing you can't force to be a good singer...if you like singing.. Thanks God...you still have that talent inside you..all you need to do is just to practice in a good way...

good tip for learning how to sing well:
SINGING USING YOUR STOMACH POWER not THROAT POWER!

I'm not really a good singer but that's at least something I can tell you from what I've seen on my own singing lesson DVD...
I'm learning it my self too..

We are talking about vibrato. Sure, you SING from your diaphram and not from your throat, but VIBRATO is not from your air- if you used that, you would run out of breath after a measure or two. It's supposed to come "naturally" if you're a good singer and have had a lot of training- you're not supposed to try for it because trying for it makes you force it.

Knowing the rhythm has little to nothing to do with vibrato. Given you should have SOME sense of rhythm- but you make it sound like everything rests on whether you can hold a beat or not. And eventually if you practice the song enough, it doesn't really matter if you have a sense of rhythm because you'll have memorized the song.

But we're getting off topic. Ayu's vibrato, please, NOT singing in general.

[Biscuit]

Originally Posted by Delirium-Zer0

(but the most annoying to me is "Who..." on A BALLADS. oh god. i can't even listen to it.)

Oh Lord, that is seriously the worst sound I'd ever heard. I refused to get A Ballads for that very reason. Her vibrato is better now, but I hate when she drags it out and it starts to sound like it's wavering really badly. It almost sounds like a kid wailing or something.

[elepop]

What do you guys mean by vibrato?

[AyUmIXx]

Well...Yeah I do agree with you Walking_proud...and I was telling what I know..sorry..hehehe.......
yeah..vibrato is naturally coming from your self..but still you have to practice how to have it....like Ayu did before...
Her vibrato is improving much lately..compare to her old album vibrato and her latest album(singles) vibrato...she's sure having her ultimate vibrato now...by training of course....and we actually can't force to make the vibra....but by what you've learned & trained, finally you can have your own vibrato...

Vibrato is like "ahh ~~~~~~" I don't know how to describe it in words..
like Ayu's "iiiiiiiiiiiiiiii........." know?

[Alessia_Tateno]

Yeah every singer are trained to use stomach to sing but Ayu didnt do it in the debut, thats why in some of the performance she used to lose voice...anyway I dont think its real vibrato she still need train she is not perfect not professional only because she is famous singer, avex also use often her 2 chorus girls for help her in "vibrato", did someone ever realize that?

[AyUmIXx]

as we know that...
She's not a good singer at all...and can be also said no talent at all....
When she became a model... she didn't know how to sing..then she went to NY for training ...and she made mini album/singles.. which in RAP Style....

But her strongest talent is on her lyrics writing..that's the most important thing..

As I listened to her PRIDE *MUSIC FIGHTER* her vibrato is so powerful and so great!!!...
as on CDL 04-05 when she sang acoustic version of some songs...her voice sounded perfect....