[Charts & Rankings] The Official Oricon Thread of Sunrise/Sunset ～LOVE is ALL～ -starting over-

[ayumisrael]

^Same comment as my previous. xD

I sure hope ayu would do a 3,4 A-side single again!!
But her only more than 2 A-side singles are the summer singles. T_T

[AMANDABYNES]

Oh My!! What a dissaster! Another flop!


My poor AYU ((((

[RikkuChii]

Wow.

Uhm..go Ayu?

..but seriously, did anyone expect this single to sell like MW or GREEN/Days did?

Two subpar songs, atrocious covers & boring PV's?

This single was destined to not sell well.

I hope she doesn't lose her #1 streak, though.

[SunshineSlayer]

^ considering this is a fun summer song, yes. I expected it to sell more than MW and Rule but maybe not as much as Days.

It's sad to see that Ayu's sales have fallen to almost MM levels these days. In fact Ayu dropped more than MM did - and that's no small feat considering both artists usually have big drops, but rarely does someone have as big drops as MM these days. In some ways though, I can understand it.

Originally Posted by rakeru

as far as this being the end of an era, i believe so! 0_o but maybe not necessarily for single female artists. in the US, at least, there is no more money in single and album sales. it's all about the tour-- without one, an artist doesn't cash in. it seems Japan is following that trend. and like the US, i think Japan will drop boybands in a few years and (hopefully) embrace single female artists once more.

Highly doubtful. Boybands are really a part of the culture over there. Its not like they just suddenly became popular a few years ago. Boybands have been there since basically the start of Japanese pop music - they aren't really seen as something bad or shameful over there.

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

Ahm, Together When... = Double Platinum for Chaku Uta and Platinum for Chaku-uta full, so I guess the total number is close to a million, Google Translation is at least good for something -> http://translate.google.com/translat...history_state0

No chart ever has Chaku-uta and Chaku-uta full combined. (as already explained) and even if they did, 750,000 is still a ways off from 1 million.

[ayumisrael]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

^ considering this is a fun summer song, yes. I expected it to sell more than MW and Rule but maybe not as much as Days.

It's sad to see that Ayu's sales have fallen to almost MM levels these days. In fact Ayu dropped more than MM did - and that's no small feat considering both artists usually have big drops, but rarely does someone have as big drops as MM these days. In some ways though, I can understand it.



Highly doubtful. Boybands are really a part of the culture over there. Its not like they just suddenly became popular a few years ago. Boybands have been there since basically the start of Japanese pop music - they aren't really seen as something bad or shameful over there.



No chart ever has Chaku-uta and Chaku-uta full combined. (as already explained) and even if they did, 750,000 is still a ways off from 1 million.

750,000 is still not a number you can say that is unpopular or a small number though.
Nothing that is not a million is not a million of course but it's still a ways above the half of a million which the number itself is considered great.
I do remember that avex in what of their PDFs wrote that Together When... had 970,000 digital downloads in total. I'm not sure if they fabricated the numbers or if RIAJ don't count all of the downloads websites or something of that sort.
Also on kuu's official website they wrote that stay with me had 3,500,000 or 2,500,000? legal downloads while the single sold 65,000, I wonder if it's fabricated as well.

Also even if it's a summer single, as we know ayu's popularity keeps dropping through the years the sales between her summer singles drop each time.
BLUE BIRD sold around 256,000, glitter/fated sold around 165,000 (100,000 difference), and S/S will sell around the 100,000 (each is a 50,000-70,000 drop) it's only natural as it seems that ayu still didn't create something to maintain her popularity or take it up again, (and it seems that avex doesn't too probably both sides don't highly care for it or ayu or whoever).
It's just your usual ayu summer single. With each year passing, if it's what it will stay in, that's what will keep happening.

[bluegie]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

^ considering this is a fun summer song, yes. I expected it to sell more than MW and Rule but maybe not as much as Days.

It's sad to see that Ayu's sales have fallen to almost MM levels these days. In fact Ayu dropped more than MM did - and that's no small feat considering both artists usually have big drops, but rarely does someone have as big drops as MM these days. In some ways though, I can understand it.



Highly doubtful. Boybands are really a part of the culture over there. Its not like they just suddenly became popular a few years ago. Boybands have been there since basically the start of Japanese pop music - they aren't really seen as something bad or shameful over there.

To be honest, a fun summer song doesn't really equal as a excellent song (of course it depends on people's tastes). Probly with the song itself, I think sunrise can get a 7/10. But we can't deny pvs and cd covers do affect cd sales. With unprofessional photoshopped plastic doll-liked cover + two fairly boring pvs, it will drag down the sales for sure. Just like t2m. I think that song worths 7.5, but the pv sucks a big time.

And I dun think ayu's situation is as bad as momosu. It seems like ayu's dropping more than momosu, but you have to count in a fact that momosu's drop has already begun since 2003, from a over 500K seller to a barely 70K seller. And I think ayu has a slightly bigger fanbase (using 1st week's sales as an estimate). And don't forget momosu's new single has 4 covers. If they only throw out 2 covers, I dun think they can break 30K that easily.

And I agree with you regarding boybands. It's not boybands suddenly doing very well. Rather, it's the solo artists (or dual like B'z) doing bad right now. Boybands always have a big fanbase and usually the fangirls won't give in their love as quickly as the fanboys and other casual listeners. So throughout the years their fanbase are pretty stable compared to other soloists. And I dun really think soloists' fans are crazily driven; they will rather spend money on digitals rather than physicals. So that's why you see artists such as hikki dominates the download charts.

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

That same page says NEXT LEVEL was rated 5/5 by the reviewers. You can never be sure with those, as both the hard core fans and the hard core trolls are posting. I am not saying those don't reflect the opinion of general public, but it's hard to reflect it with just 30 opinions.

Actually most of the negative opinions are quite detailed and mention that they are usually big fans - nothing really seems trollish in any of them. When most of her stuff on amazon ranges from 4.5 to 5 stars, and then this one hits only 3 stars average I think it is an indicator that for whatever reason this single just isn't as well received as usual.

Originally Posted by bluegie

To be honest, a fun summer song doesn't really equal as a excellent song (of course it depends on people's tastes). Probly with the song itself, I think sunrise can get a 7/10. But we can't deny pvs and cd covers do affect cd sales. With unprofessional photoshopped plastic doll-liked cover + two fairly boring pvs, it will drag down the sales for sure. Just like t2m. I think that song worths 7.5, but the pv sucks a big time.

Yes, I agree. I just mean that usually her summer songs do well it seems despite the quality of the actual content. At least when compared to the other types of singles she releases.

Originally Posted by bluegie

And I dun think ayu's situation is as bad as momosu. It seems like ayu's dropping more than momosu, but you have to count in a fact that momosu's drop has already begun since 2003, from a over 500K seller to a barely 70K seller.

Actually I was only referring to the fact that Ayu's second day actually dropped more than MM's second day did. Looking at the bigger picture though, MM's total single sales have actually remained surprisingly consistent from 2006 onwards. (The only exception being Mikan)

[zyoeru]

It sucks that my favourite Ayu single's sales aren't good...oh well things will be okay!

[SunshineSlayer]

^ Yeah, of course I'm not saying it sold bad just that it didn't sell the ginormous amount of copies people seem to think it sold.

btw, I was pointed to Amazon (by 2ch) and it seems this single is not nearly as well received as her past singles in terms of reviews: http://www.amazon.co.jp/Sunrise-Suns...ref=pd_sim_m_1

[Evolution7/4]

^Interesting. On iTunes its recieved glowing reviews.

[noidea]

oh my....this is one big flop...I expected the japanese to love this single...a summer song and a ballad(though I myself think these sales are still too much for such an IMO crappy single), I hope she keeps her streak at least

[ayumisrael]

Did ayu break a new record or something?

http://www.oricon.co.jp/news/rankmusic/68392/

"あゆ、連続初登場首位記録の更新なるか!?
( 2009年08月13日 11時00分)

　浜崎あゆみの46枚目のシングル「Sunrise / Sunset ～LOVE is ALL～」が、3.6万枚を売り上げ、発売初日となる8/11付デイリーシングルランキングで首位を獲得した。

　本作は「Sunrise ～LOVE is ALL～」と「Sunset ～LOVE is ALL～」の両A面シングル。「Sunrise ～LOVE is ALL～」は、舘ひろし主演のテレビ朝日系ドラマ『ダンディ・ダディ？～恋愛小説家・伊崎龍之介～』の主題 歌。浜崎がドラマ主題歌を担当するのは、佐藤浩市主演のTBS系ドラマ『高原へいらっしゃい』の「forg iveness」（累積売上22.2万枚）以来、6年ぶりとなる。

　また、「Sunset ～LOVE is ALL～」は、Panasonicのデジタルカメラ「LUMIX FX60」CMソング。3曲目には、浜崎の夏の代表曲「July 1st」「Greatful days」「fairyland」「BLUE BIRD」「glitter」をリミックスしたスペシャルトラックを収録している。

　浜崎は、今年2月にリリースした前作「Rule/Sparkle」（累積売上13.0万枚）で、2002年4月発売の「Free＆Easy」以来、20作連 続で週間シングルランキング初登場1位を記録。ソロアーティスト、ならびに女性アーティストとして史上初の 快挙を達成した。本作でも週間ランキング1位を獲得し、連続初登場首位記録をさらに更新できるか、注目が集 まる。"

[Ayumiko]

^is it just the continuation of her streak?

Its nice to see what ayu's sales are like with only 2 versions and no extra goodies. Of course compared to her old standards, its low but compared to nowadays as a female solo artist, she's doing quite well imo.

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by Ayumiko

^is it just the continuation of her streak?

Its nice to see what ayu's sales are like with only 2 versions and no extra goodies. Of course compared to her old standards, its low but compared to nowadays as a female solo artist, she's doing quite well imo.

This

[Kingdom]

wow.. the second day sales were really unexpected.. more than half her first day drop

[Evolution7/4]

^Ditto.
Stop calling it a flop. Sure it didn't do as well as some expected but its not a flop. Pessimism is a disease here.

[ayumisrael]

Originally Posted by Evolution7/4

^Ditto.
Stop calling it a flop. Sure it didn't do as well as some expected but its not a flop. Pessimism is a disease here.

lol I will agree with that for reasons I mentioned earlier.
Also getting some first days sales from past singles threads, it seems that for all of the singles since 2007 has a it's a flop/it's so low 5-6 first pages comments.

I guess people have to get used to the new standarts until ayu puts out smashing hits and avex will startegy her accordingly.

[Evolution7/4]

^Ditto.
Stop calling it a flop. Sure it didn't do as well as some expected but its not a flop. Pessimism is a disease here.

[dreamland2.0]

Sales are a bit low but oh well. I still don't get why people keep saying, these songs are bad, these PVs are boring, of course it won't sell well, yada, yada. Some people actually DO like the music. You can't just assume that everyone hates this single!

[Calico]

Although the sales are rather...yeah...I think the fact that she's still making #1 with those numbers speaks tons for the industry, as others have been saying. It's one of the reasons why I don't really pay attention to sales as opposed to rankings.