How messy was the divorce?

[relmy]

Originally Posted by jbrat2219

It's all speculation at this point. We don't know what happened and probably never will. Yet one gets to say whatever they want on the matter but the other has to keep his mouth shut. So how do we hear his side? Well, MAYBE he posted that picture to tell us or MAYBE he didn't. We don't know. So why trash the guy? That's all I'm saying anyway lol.

I think the bolded part may be what's... bugged me the whole time I guess. Why I don't like the Return Road photo, why I don't like people bashing Mannie for the meme. Just... let him have an outlet.

I don't get it, if people don't like it, don't keep him as a friend. I don't like the Return Road PV, so I don't watch it.

Ayu has a reputation to protect of course, and it's not right for Mannie to profit from it, but really, Ayu kinda is, indirectly.

It's just all too complicated really. It's worse because... I feel like I need to stand up for Mannie, because he's done nothing to deserve all the crap, and some fans may see that as disloyal to Ayu, but whatever at the end of the day. I still love Ayu, and always will, I just don't think my love for Ayu means I need to hate somebody else.

[kinix]

1 point I would like to ask is, how sure are we that the usage of mannie's photo in RR was ayu's idea. ayu might have many say in a lot of things she does. but so far regarding PVs, I think she usually only give out ideas to improve the PV but not tge idea/concept of the PV's plot. there's a specific guy for this job. ayu does keep thinking ideas for every single PVs she made.

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by kinix

1 point I would like to ask is, how sure are we that the usage of mannie's photo in RR was ayu's idea. ayu might have many say in a lot of things she does. but so far regarding PVs, I think she usually only give out ideas to improve the PV but not tge idea/concept of the PV's plot. there's a specific guy for this job. ayu does keep thinking ideas for every single PVs she made.

I doubt a PV so strongly linked to her personal life was a director's idea... And even if it was, SHE is the boss... the final decision is hers...

[kinix]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

I doubt a PV so strongly linked to her personal life was a director's idea... And even if it was, SHE is the boss... the final decision is hers...

Misa-chan's blog Quote:
ayu69maki: Isn’t ayu the one who determines the setlist?
ayu_19980408: The setlists I create don’t always get the OK. There are definitely times when it gets rejected.

So I don't think ayu gets to decide every single thing every time. She doesnt have the say in all of her things.
And wasn't PVs suppose to bring out the story of the song? And ayu's song were most often reflection of her current feelings. So yeah... the PV is linked to her personal life. Past sensitive examples : Dearest, alterna....

Side note, If ayu really have the power to reject a storyline given to her for her PV, I'm pretty sure she would have rejected Sparkle PV
She only have suggestions to improve on the PV. Like GREEN for example. She decided to retake on some parts of the PV for she wanted to change her appearance.

[koumori]

Originally Posted by kinix

So I don't think ayu gets to decide every single thing every time. She doesnt have the say in all of her things.

Side note, If ayu really have the power to reject a storyline given to her for her PV, I'm pretty sure she would have rejected Sparkle PV

You think the same Ayu who made the decision to cancel a whole tour - plans, choreography, tour goods etc - to replace it with something 100% different almost straightaway doesn't have the power to change a PV? ********. She's the Avex Queen, she does what she likes for the most part.

[kinix]

Originally Posted by Koumori

You think the same Ayu who made the decision to cancel a whole tour - plans, choreography, tour goods etc - to replace it with something 100% different almost straightaway doesn't have the power to change a PV? ********. She's the Avex Queen, she does what she likes for the most part.

I don't think this is purely ayu's idea. If avex is so insensitive to the 311 period and still continue on HLS then they'll confirm flame by the public. It's pretty obvious HLS is a no go after the earthquake... it's not ayu's power.

Originally Posted by isthisLOL?

Why would she have rejected Sparkle PV? It's one of the best she has ever done. I love her parody PVs. Startin, Sparkle...

=.= it's 1 of the PVs I'll never show my friends =P even though it's a nice song, the dumb acting of ayu in latex wear is just unacceptable for me =.=.... It's the action of what ayu is doing that kinda disgust me...

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

Even if Avex can say "no" to her sometimes, I'm pretty sure she never does anything she is not OK with... And depending on what Avex decides, they are counter attacked as soon as she can.

If she was the label puppet u r stating, she would still compete for prizes, she would had performed last at 2011 a-nation and alterna video was never released to begin with (taking only stuff that Avex was against her doing).

No mainstream singer on the world have 100% freedom, not even Madonna who is known for being in charge of her own career... Having a great amount of control over their own career doesn't really mean they don't have some projects turned down. They can either stand by what they want and convince the label or give up... as it happens on any business relationship on any area.

But I really doubt she would record a PV exploring her personal life and drama without being Ok with it, as she already stated she wanna be seen as a human being by her label, not as a product. I don't think u get how invasive and offensive it would be Avex forcing a PV about her divorce without her being ok with all that.

About Sparkle PV... that's everyday Ayu sarcasm... Some people may dislike it, but it has "ayu" wrote all over it.

Hmm.. I really don't know which side you're standing on cos your parts are kinda contradicting =.=?

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by kinix

Misa-chan's blog Quote:
ayu69maki: Isn’t ayu the one who determines the setlist?
ayu_19980408: The setlists I create don’t always get the OK. There are definitely times when it gets rejected.

So I don't think ayu gets to decide every single thing every time. She doesnt have the say in all of her things.
And wasn't PVs suppose to bring out the story of the song? And ayu's song were most often reflection of her current feelings. So yeah... the PV is linked to her personal life. Past sensitive examples : Dearest, alterna....

Side note, If ayu really have the power to reject a storyline given to her for her PV, I'm pretty sure she would have rejected Sparkle PV
She only have suggestions to improve on the PV. Like GREEN for example. She decided to retake on some parts of the PV for she wanted to change her appearance.

Even if Avex can say "no" to her sometimes, I'm pretty sure she never does anything she is not OK with... And depending on what Avex decides, they are counter attacked as soon as she can.

If she was the label puppet u r stating, she would still compete for prizes, she would had performed last at 2011 a-nation and alterna video was never released to begin with (taking only stuff that Avex was against her doing).

No mainstream singer on the world have 100% freedom, not even Madonna who is known for being in charge of her own career... Having a great amount of control over their own career doesn't really mean they don't have some projects turned down. They can either stand by what they want and convince the label or give up... as it happens on any business relationship on any area.

But I really doubt she would record a PV exploring her personal life and drama without being Ok with it, as she already stated she wanna be seen as a human being by her label, not as a product. I don't think u get how invasive and offensive it would be Avex forcing a PV about her divorce without her being ok with all that.

About Sparkle PV... that's everyday Ayu sarcasm... Some people may dislike it, but it has "ayu" wrote all over it.

[SummonerXI]

Originally Posted by kinix

Misa-chan's blog Quote:
ayu69maki: Isn’t ayu the one who determines the setlist?
ayu_19980408: The setlists I create don’t always get the OK. There are definitely times when it gets rejected.

I don't think that ultimately means there's someone above her who yays or nays her suggestions. I think it's more of her collaborating back and forth with her reps and creative directors to decide on something everyone seems happy with.

Originally Posted by kinix

=.= it's 1 of the PVs I'll never show my friends =P even though it's a nice song, the dumb acting of ayu in latex wear is just unacceptable for me =.=.... It's the action of what ayu is doing that kinda disgust me...

Errr... Just because YOU don't approve of it, doesn't mean Ayu was forced to do it. Also, there's really nothing wrong with the PV when you consider the song itself, written by Ayu, is about sex, and even then, there's nothing wrong with sexy lyrics either. I'm sorry you feel so embarrassed about sexuality that you have to hide that PV from your friends

[kinix]

Originally Posted by SummonerXI

I don't think that ultimately means there's someone above her who yays or nays her suggestions. I think it's more of her collaborating back and forth with her reps and creative directors to decide on something everyone seems happy with.

If you read properly, she said "ayu_19980408: The setlists I create don’t always get the OK. There are definitely times when it gets rejected."

Originally Posted by SummonerXI

Errr... Just because YOU don't approve of it, doesn't mean Ayu was forced to do it. Also, there's really nothing wrong with the PV when you consider the song itself, written by Ayu, is about sex, and even then, there's nothing wrong with sexy lyrics either. I'm sorry you feel so embarrassed about sexuality that you have to hide that PV from your friends

obviously u have not read all my comments in this thread...
As much as I love a sexy ayu, this isnt the way to be sexy. The way she is acting in this PV IS NOT SEXY. It kinda feels dumb. The unnatural mouthing to the song, the awkward movements of her hands. It looks like she's trying to hard to being sexy and she failed @ it. Sometimes, I think she doesn't knows what to do in that constrain place alone. And btw, I didnt even say that I don't like the song/lyrics (where did you get that idea??) FYI, I love this freaking song! But sorry, it got ruined by parts of the PV.

[jewelbox]

^ even if it wasn't her idea, she still approved it

[isthisLOL?]

Why would she have rejected Sparkle PV? It's one of the best she has ever done. I love her parody PVs. Startin, Sparkle...

[Andrenekoi]

How come all the other Avex artists toured the same? If Avex idea was to show the label's feelings towards the disaster, I bet Ayu wouldn't be the only artist changing her schedule (other than tour dates and releases dates) in order to better fit the moment...

[kinix]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

How come all the other Avex artists toured the same? If Avex idea was to show the label's feelings towards the disaster, I bet Ayu wouldn't be the only artist changing her schedule (other than tour dates and releases dates) in order to better fit the moment...

As I said earlier, I don't think that this is purely ayu's idea. You gotta have the record company to support your idea. As for the others, I'd no idea. Maybe they didnt suggest it? Wasnt really focus on Jpop except ayu so I don't know who's tour were affected by the 311 date.

Ayu did the same thing in 2001 with I am... she changed the concept of I am... before the release on 2002. Do you think that an artist like her @ that time had the power to just change the whole album concept without the support of the company?
If she have that power, We wouldnt see an A BEST that early. However there is certain amount of space that avex actually gave ayu to vent her anger towards the company. Which resulted in A BEST older tracks with new vocals. I would use this reason for the a-nation 2011 event... Anway, this is just my view. I don't think anyone would have known the real truth behind all these conspiracy except ayu n avex.

Originally Posted by isthisLOL?

Wait, so because you personally think it's "disgusting" Ayumi doesn't like it? I rarely see actual successful artists making fun of the pop music business so well, and it's 100% typical Ayumi, just more sexual than what we were used to then. But that's only a problem if you make it one or were brought up to think of sexuality as shameful I think.
That said I can see your problem with it, I just don't understand what's so unacceptable or shameful about it. She is making fun of both the overly cute and overly sexual side of the pop business by using porn, of course it'll be overly sexual.

As I've said it's the action of what ayu is doing. It just seems unnatural. At times, It just seems like ayu doesnt know what else to do (What pose to make in the small constrain place etc...) And her expression... just looked too fake =.= Don't get me wrong, it's not that I don't like ayu being sexy and all. But it just feels like she cant get the correct emotion going on with her face and action n made the whole thing weird o.O"

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by kinix

Ayu did the same thing in 2001 with I am... she changed the concept of I am... before the release on 2002. Do you think that an artist like her @ that time had the power to just change the whole album concept without the support of the company?
If she have that power, We wouldnt see an A BEST that early. However there is certain amount of space that avex actually gave ayu to vent her anger towards the company. Which resulted in A BEST older tracks with new vocals. I would use this reason for the a-nation 2011 event... Anway, this is just my view. I don't think anyone would have known the real truth behind all these conspiracy except ayu n avex.

It was A Best success that gave this power to Ayu to begin with. They had the risk of losing the almight (LOL) queen of jpop and pretty much needed to give her more freedom than most artists have. I doubt she could do something like that before A Best rose her fame to a whole new level.

Still, we are not talking about release date, but about creative content and freedom to chose the theme of a video or the lyrics to a song, something Max gave her since LOVEppears...

Not having 100% freedom (as nobody has anyway) doesn't mean Avex could have forced her doing stuff she didn't want to creative wise, stuff that offended her, if she wasn't ok with it. On this case, openly exploring her personal life to make money. Considering her past story with Avex, I doubt she would accept doing that unless she was 100% ok with that or if it was her idea.

[isthisLOL?]

Wait, so because you personally think it's "disgusting" Ayumi doesn't like it? I rarely see actual successful artists making fun of the pop music business so well, and it's 100% typical Ayumi, just more sexual than what we were used to then. But that's only a problem if you make it one or were brought up to think of sexuality as shameful I think.
That said I can see your problem with it, I just don't understand what's so unacceptable or shameful about it. She is making fun of both the overly cute and overly sexual side of the pop business by using porn, of course it'll be overly sexual.

[axmish87]

^^Keep going guys and this thread titile will be
How messy was Sparkle LoL!

[SummonerXI]

Originally Posted by axmish87

^^Keep going guys and this thread titile will be
How messy was Sparkle LoL!

lol ilu

[ayupan90]

This is ****ing hilarious! I avoid AHS nowadays because it is filled with pointless DRAMA. People arguing over **** like this is rather entertaining lol we know practically nothing about their marriage and divorce, we can't judge. I don't like Mannie at all, I think he's creepy, but I don't say **** like HE'S A MONSTER, HE NEVER LOVED HER, HE SHOULD BE KICKED IN HIS MAN JEWELS. Mannie putting that thing up was bad timing and inappropriate but it is HIS facebook, he has the right to free speech. Get over it.

Rant over ^_^

[SURREAL__RAINBOW]

Let's fill up this thread so it can burn in hell after, and if anybody in the future brings up this ****, let's staple this entire thread onto their foreheads.

Post #500 can't get here any sooner!

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