Why the hate...really?

[~Saru]

I did read a few of the comments that people wrote about ayu on the video and some of them were quite racist like "oh stupid ***" "japanese copy everything everyone else does"..i found them quite awful becasue if you looked at it from both sides, saying you like madonna and ayumi they both infuence each other. But looking at it from one side say the madonna side it can become quite..im not sure of the word...competitive? In a way
but some of the comments were very very uncalled for.
I acctualy find it really good artists inspire others with idea's becasue they can contol and use that infuence and mold it into their own kind of style which is good and creative.

[Minttulatte]

Ayu may not copy other artists but I have noticed some things that scream "KODA KUMI" right into my face. Seriously. But I'm not offended of the fact. I have just noticed some things that Kuu did before (and I guess many artists before her) and Ayu's doing the same stuff now. Stylists are sometimes so stupid imo. -.-

And when that happens, Ayu fans are like "OMG AYU YOU'RE SO HOT!!! YOU LOOK SO DAMN GOOD!!!" and when Kuu did the same, fans said "OH CRAP YOU STUPID ***** YOU'RE SUCH A ****!!!" Hilarious. Seriously. *dies*

[foxhana]

because ayumi is lyric writing talent, and kuu is porn. Her facial expression screams porn in naughtiness.

Ayu's image recently I think is for her next album... She changes every album right? So I don't really mind. Used to hate her fish lips, and the fish lips are for NEXT level? They are gone now.

It is like everything ayu does before the next album is for the next album. and after releasing the next album, she changes again on the single/mag for the enxt next album

making sense? ^^ I actually like her changes. ^^

[Minttulatte]

^I know but I had to say my opinion of the fact.

And I like it how Koda and Ayu are different and I like it. I really hope Ayu's next album is better than NEXT LEVEL though because something just didn't feel right with that album. She should try more R&B someday. *_______*

[foxhana]

Originally Posted by drdolce

^I know but I had to say my opinion of the fact.

And I like it how Koda and Ayu are different and I like it. I really hope Ayu's next album is better than NEXT LEVEL though because something just didn't feel right with that album. She should try more R&B someday. *_______*

yeah I had to thank koda formaking the ent industry entertaining. ^^ Makesme realized ayu is much more than her.

But Japanese artists are the ones with the most original and sometimes drazy ( in a good way ) ideas.

Oh yes. If you go to Japan, theyare the ones who create new thing all the time, in fashion. So you see people wear everything together which looks messy, but peopledesigners/stylists who go to Japan sees this and pick one out and say that they invented this style.

There was once I remember, hearing "Original in America" being used somewhere, I was like, don't you think it is misleading? People will think it originated from america. Because I have see the exact same thing from japan 10 years ago.

[~StarCatcher~]

I really hate it, too when people speak of Japanese copy cats.

It's nonsense.They only get inspired by other artists sometimes.

But Japanese artists are the ones with the most original and sometimes drazy ( in a good way ) ideas.

Even American artists get inspired by others.

Like Lady Gaga inspires many female artists with her style this year.

I think this bad thinking is not needed at all.

Everyone should just enjoy the music.

[Minttulatte]

Originally Posted by ~StarCatcher~

Everyone should just enjoy the music.

This.

[Andrenekoi]

I would never say japanese are much more creative than western artists... Jpop itself is a japanese version of american/europe pop, and many times (and may artists) the only different thing is the language...

[Crystal_Ageha]

^ From that statement and everything you've been saying about Utada's overseas work, you come off biased towards the Western world. :\ Not saying you are, but you sound like it. I mean, there's a reason Japan is years ahead of the US: intelligence, motivation and, yes, creativity.

Jpop is very different than anything you hear from the US. If you say it's similar, however, to certain European music, I'll agree, what with the synthesis and all. But please, don't compare it to American stuff. >_<'

[Ayumi27]

Originally Posted by Crystal_Ageha

^ From that statement and everything you've been saying about Utada's overseas work, you come off biased towards the Western world. :\ Not saying you are, but you sound like it. I mean, there's a reason Japan is years ahead of the US: intelligence, motivation and, yes, creativity.

Jpop is very different than anything you hear from the US. If you say it's similar, however, to certain European music, I'll agree, what with the synthesis and all. But please, don't compare it to American stuff. >_<'

You can generalize the thousands and thousands and artists from a whole country... Though I personally agree with Andrenekoi, most mainstream J-pop artists have borrowed and are inspired by both american and european rhythms, choreographies, fashions. The tendency to dye hair blonde by many artists, and to stage broadway or madonna-like shows are just some examples, and many japanese boy bands are extremely similar to late-90's western acts.... Pop itself as music genre was imported from the US

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by Crystal_Ageha

^ From that statement and everything you've been saying about Utada's overseas work, you come off biased towards the Western world. :\ Not saying you are, but you sound like it. I mean, there's a reason Japan is years ahead of the US: intelligence, motivation and, yes, creativity.

Jpop is very different than anything you hear from the US. If you say it's similar, however, to certain European music, I'll agree, what with the synthesis and all. But please, don't compare it to American stuff. >_<'

¬¬ Put some random american chick singing any Koda Kumi non-ballad/non-cute song, and you have a generic american pop track

¬¬ Put some random american chick singing any Namie Amuro song but the vidal ones, and you have another generic american pop track

¬¬ Hikki is was at first famous for releasing "american music" in japanese

I'm sorry, but maybe the person biased with some culture is you, most jpop tracks that would not be generic on american market, are generic in Japan's market... just as any pop market in the world...

And why not comparint it to american music? What's wrong to american music anyway? Do you at least know american pop music? Cuz most people I see over here bashing over it only know Britney Spear's Baby, baby one more time...

[JackieRos]

is funny how when ayu "copies" madonna is being inspired
but when jolin "copies" ayu is called COPYING

and insulting madonna is not going to help out either
what if someone said "ayu copied madonna and ayu has chicken legs"
theres people ready to jump at you

sometimes is so obvious when an artist does copy and they say oh no
i dont see anything similar when they really do

[Crystal_Ageha]

^ I won't lie, Kumi has many very Western sounding hip-hop tracks, and Namie is just as bad with that genre, if not worse. And Hikaru..? She IS American--lived there for many years and obviously likes the culture--so whatever. But people like Ayumi, m-flo, every Visual-K band, SOUL'd OUT, hide, Gackt, pretty much any anime singer or techno pop star, and countless others... Nothing like the Western world. And many of those happen to be some of the biggest artists in J-Pop/rock/etc. history. Really, the only music that sounds Western in Japan, I think, are a lot of the hip-hop acts, and maybe some of the rock ones. Even those artists that do alternative type music or simple piano ballades, such as B'z or Chihiro Onitsuka, spice it up into something different from the Western equivalents, despite there not being much to do with such genres.

But at the end of the day, this is all just opinion. So I suppose it's another of those agree to disagree things, yes?

[Andrenekoi]

Just one more thing... most visual-k bands sells better overseas to their otaku fanbase, and anime singers are mostly low tier artists over there...
those (beside some 2 or 3 older visual kei bands), for sure, aren't among the biggest artists in Japan music most of the time

[Crystal_Ageha]

^ Most people don't care, since they're only insulting foreigners, lol. -_-

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

Just one more thing... most visual-k bands sells better overseas to their otaku fanbase, and anime singers are mostly low tier artists over there...
those (beside some 2 or 3 older visual kei bands), for sure, aren't among the biggest artists in Japan music most of the time

Um, that's why I said SOME of them are the biggest. :\ Referring specifically to Ayu and hide mostly, along with B'z. No **** anime singers are usually nothing and every artist I listed aren't legends. And just because an artist sells better overseas doesn't mean they sound just like Western artists. That had nothing to do with what we were talking about.

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by Crystal_Ageha

^ Most people don't care, since they're only insulting foreigners, lol. -_-


Um, that's why I said SOME of them are the biggest. :\ Referring specifically to Ayu and hide mostly, along with B'z. No **** anime singers are usually nothing and every artist I listed aren't legends. And just because an artist sells better overseas doesn't mean they sound just like Western artists. That had nothing to do with what we were talking about.

Usually japanese artists that sell better for western people, don't sound/look western, they sound/look the way their otaku fans think Japan is xD

Pop music has the same level of creativity every where in the world... feel artists do something original, tons of artists do generic stuff, this don't change very much anywhere in the world... even if u dislike it. Still, u called me biased, but I still find the only american pop songs u know are fromBritney Spears

[shizukanaotoko]

well the problem is, ayu has always been very open about her idolization of madonna and her deep appreciation of western artists while jolin, in response to being accused of copying ayu, said that ayu's fashion is weird and too over-the-top for her. jolin has also said that she is the one-and-only jolin which is a little disgusting. i don't recall ayu ever proclaiming herself as unique or innovative but i've heard her claim that she is a product. therefore, ayu is a madonna fan and is following in her footsteps and jolin is somewhat of a shameless copycat.

also, madonna herself says that plagiarism and copying is an acceptable process in creation and she herself has "copied" quite a bit! look at this website: http://www.aishamusic.com/lawsuit_ma...stole_from.htm anyway, even so, i'm still a big fan of madonna and definitely of ayu!!! <3

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by shizukanaotoko

well the problem is, ayu has always been very open about her idolization of madonna and her deep appreciation of western artists while jolin, in response to being accused of copying ayu, said that ayu's fashion is weird and too over-the-top for her. jolin has also said that she is the one-and-only jolin which is a little disgusting. i don't recall ayu ever proclaiming herself as unique or innovative but i've heard her claim that she is a product. therefore, ayu is a madonna fan and is following in her footsteps and jolin is somewhat of a shameless copycat.

also, madonna herself says that plagiarism and copying is an acceptable process in creation and she herself has "copied" quite a bit! look at this website: http://www.aishamusic.com/lawsuit_ma...stole_from.htm anyway, even so, i'm still a big fan of madonna and definitely of ayu!!! <3

Don't start the Jolin bashing again ~~'
She never said she is unique or innovative, just that she is Jolin and doesn't need to be compared to Ayu every time... and even if I'm not a Jolin fan, she is right! Her music doesn't sound like Ayu's, her videos don't look like Ayu's, her style doesn't look like Ayu's... It doesn't matter if she copied Ayu on the begining if it also doesn't matter if Ayu copied Madonna on the begining...

About Ayu being weird, that wasn't said by Jolin, was said by the new Wacoal Spokeperson (and she didn't said "weird", she used a word that can be positive or negative depending on how it's translated). The only thing Jolin said about Ayu's fashion is: That Ayu is a trendsetter, and for that reason she feels honoured for the being compared... and that she would never do something as bold as I am... cover... what is totally understandable, considering jpop doesn't have lots of girls releasing albums with nude photoshots on the cover (while Ayu did it 3 times)

[shizukanaotoko]

but anyway, we should all flag those youtube videos as hateful and get youtube to take them down -_-

[Crystal_Ageha]

^ What, you said I only know Britney Spears, lol? You have absolutely no reason to pull the, "I'm not biased--YOU ARE!! D:" thing with me. I'm extremely open-minded, especially when it comes to music.
I'll like anything that I enjoy listening to, for whatever reason. I listen to Japanese music, from anybody who appeals to me. Not just Ayu or Kuu -- for example, I usually really dislike Namie Amuro and Gackt music, but I have two Gackt songs I love and about half a dozen Namie songs. I also listen to music from Germany. And Greece. And various other places. And yes, even music from the US - from Christina Aguilera and Pink, to matchbox twenty and Savage Garden, to Eminem and ICP (no, I'm not kidding). I have a song in French and a few songs in Korean, even though I don't understand either. So no way do you have the right to try to turn it around on me. (As a matter of fact, I'm probably less familiar with Britney than most other famous artists from the West, lol. :\)