[3/22] 'Secret' 16th Week Sales

[Lee_Hamasaki]

i think Secret sold more copies in taiwan,singapore,china and hong kong than 150.000..

[ayumisrael]

Originally Posted by LEOyumi

Erm.. Actually, I don't believe these numbers by avex. Oricon seems to be far more reliable.

So why do you think avex release those numbers? They don't have any reason to lie in their own sales issues... and they won't write just high numbers because they want to... I think that the sales that they write about those are the number of sales they got money from (well and those sales are the important ones) because avex gets money for those copies and ayu a high salary.

[ayu_fan929]

Originally Posted by ayumisrael

They don't have any reason to lie in their own sales issues...

To impress shareholders/investors so that their stock will go up.

[evolution7931]

Originally Posted by ayu_fan929

To impress shareholders/investors so that their stock will go up.

But isn't that illegal? Like fraud?

[Raleigh]

^ Well since many think that the avex statistics point towards shipped copies, maybe it's not exactly lying. Plus Oricon too is not so reliable from what I've read..

[ayu_fan929]

It would be fraud if they were to lie about their revenues or the stuff that actually goes on to their financial statements. An artist's sales numbers aren't in reported in a statement, so I don't think it would be fraud.

[ayumisrael]

Ok so I don't understand.
Avex sales are reliable? (in any way shipping, worldwide or what not).

[ayu_fan929]

^I think they are reliable in shipping and also worldwide shipments.

[ayumisrael]

^Which are the sales they've published?

[evolution7931]

Originally Posted by ayu_fan929

To impress shareholders/investors so that their stock will go up.

Can't the stockholders just like, look on Oricon's website? Or Wikipedia's? XD Rofl. Really, if I was investing in a company like that I'd be keeping track of sales numbers on my own

[Ayumiko]

Avex makes money by whatever the amount of cds they ship out not the amount of sales from stores...so I think those are shipped numbers which they made money from. I don't think its that important if those are sales numbers or not...at the end, ayu and avex made a lot of money from the releases.

[ayu_fan929]

Originally Posted by evolution7931

Can't the stockholders just like, look on Oricon's website?

Well, as people have mentioned, Oricon's numbers are not 100% accurate.

[ayumisrael]

Originally Posted by Ayumiko

Avex makes money by whatever the amount of cds they ship out not the amount of sales from stores...so I think those are shipped numbers which they made money from. I don't think its that important if those are sales numbers or not...at the end, ayu and avex made a lot of money from the releases.

That's what I said earlier, that it doesn't matter what it is, the numbers that avex publish are must be the number of copies they get money from and ayu gets a high salary for it. (yay!)

[Peger]

I find it hard to believe oricon 'missed' half a million of BC's sales...

[Raleigh]

^ The way Oricon counts sales is too secretive to know. neomarxisme notes how Oricon manpulates rankings to how they see convenient. Ikimasshoi have mentioned how Oricon seems to have a connection with Johnny's. Might explain why some Johnny's group keep on getting consecutive #1.

[evolution7931]

Originally Posted by Demure_Dusk

^ The way Oricon counts sales is too secretive to know. neomarxisme notes how Oricon manpulates rankings to how they see convenient. Ikimasshoi have mentioned how Oricon seems to have a connection with Johnny's. Might explain why some Johnny's group keep on getting consecutive #1.

Woah. That really is intriguing.. and freaky. If Oricon really is that messed up then I think I'd much rather put my faith in Avex's numbers

[ll moments ll]

i wouldn't think ORICON would just make up numbers. if they favor JE artists, wouldn't they have given TOKIO the weekly #1 when they released "Hikari no Machi / Run Free"? it was number one the first day, but Kobukuro's "Tsubomi" grabbed the weekly #1. KinKi Kids' new single did manage to get the number 1, but its sales are their lowest yet (it didn't break 200,000+ like their previous singles). i would've gave them their usual opening sales, no?

i'm pretty sure ORICON has its flaws, but if it's the most recognizable music chart in Japan, you would think there would be some truth to what numbers they release.

[Raleigh]

As I said, they're only suppositions. However when a guy wrote about Oricon's dubious system he got sued. And people are starting to question even more and more since Oricon seems to be more keen to shut up whoever questions their system rather than explain the process of counting sales. Obviously they cannot overdo it so I imagine they only tweak with small numbers, otherwise it would look too obvious.

I think Oricon is the most recognizable chart because it's been around for long. However yep, it's arguably the most reliable chart around.

[4ever*ayu]

it will be 666,666 for sure...

[c_zou1987]

All the sales in her discography needs to be changed back to their original oricon sales.