COMPLETE playback thread

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by PinkShinigami

I thought that it was the TV concert that was released on DVD XD

The DVD was from Taiwan, the tv version was from one of the Japan dates (Yoyogi I think.)

[ownsarai]

Who cares if she uses playback now and then? At least she doesn't lip ALL of her performances!

[noidea]

^ We wrote in one of the first posts that this is NOT supposed to be a playback good/bad discussion, but a what performance was playback?-discussion

And in some concerts it actually seems like she lipped most songs (A Museum according to the DVD version I watched yesterday(wasnt able to watcvh tv yet) or PCDL(i dont hear any mic noises in the headmic songs(GREEN, WILL, vogue, HONEY, ANGEL'S SONG, Real Me, And Then..., Naturally, In The Corner...) and some songs dont even look live(HONEY xD or ANGEL'S SONG(we all know why xD))

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by noidea

And in some concerts it actually seems like she lipped most songs (A Museum according to the DVD version I watched yesterday(wasnt able to watcvh tv yet) or PCDL(i dont hear any mic noises in the headmic songs(GREEN, WILL, vogue, HONEY, ANGEL'S SONG, Real Me, And Then..., Naturally, In The Corner...) and some songs dont even look live(HONEY xD or ANGEL'S SONG(we all know why xD))

I agree that a large chunk of PCDL seems to have a high possibility of being lip synched. Just the fact that it is proven that Angel's Song and at least the one line from Over were lip synched makes whole sections of the concert look suspect. Which is unfortunate because otherwise I really love the concert. As for A-Museum, I didn't really get that impression but it has been a long time since I checked out the tv version. I would be very surprised if it was though because 2003 was actually the year where her live vocals were the most secure/stable.

[truehappiness]

Wow.. really?

[Andrenekoi]

Hm... just one more thing...
I would recommend to people that are not that interested in the subject to not take all these "for sure lip-synched" as truth... Don't get me wrong, but most of the statement are based on impresions and opinions, and there's no way to say if she really lip-synched anything if she doens't says that herself or does something like Angel's Song in PCDL^^

IMO is a lost of time to discuss this based on dvd performaces... they are REALLY edited in both sound and image and they can easily use 3 days of concerts on the same released performace in this format...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obrUUc5xghs
this is very evident in Hikki's Live at Budokan 2004... they use recording of 3 diferent days on the DVD (and she didn't use the same outfit all the says, so you can see she using 2 or 3 outfits in the same song) but you can say the audio is live 'cause she sang really bad in this concert ~~'

Even if they use the same live sound in two diferent recorded performaces, this doesn't mean she wasn't live on the recording day, and even if she sounded flawless in DVD, this doesn't mean she sang good in the actual day (this is really easy to notice if you compare TV versions of CDL with DVD versions)

Now, you can go on discussing, just remember... in the end, these are only opinions^^

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

Hm... just one more thing...
I would recommend to people that are not that interested in the subject to not take all these "for sure lip-synched" as truth... Don't get me wrong, but most of the statement are based on impresions and opinions,

Ok, but if these are all just opinions then how come after I give my opinion of what I thought was lip synched after seeing her shows in person, its not taken seriously. But then when someone else gives their opinion that they think such and such performance is really live, THAT is taken seriously. It seems to be quite a double standard around here sometimes. Also, as you mentioned there is no doubt that she has had lip synched performances that are a matter of fact, not opinion.

And what you mentioned has yes, been discussed as a possibility here. I agree, that you can't rely on dvds because of the editing, but you can get a pretty good idea from comparing tv versions to dvd versions. It's too coincidental that they would just happen to use the audio from the tv version and put it over the DVD one imo when they could easily take the audio from any concert date to do that. Why pick the audio from the tv version that they know will send out a huge red flag to the audience that the performance might be lip synched?

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

Ok, but if these are all just opinions then how come after I give my opinion of what I thought was lip synched after seeing her shows in person, its not taken seriously. But then when someone else gives their opinion that they think such and such performance is really live, THAT is taken seriously. It seems to be quite a double standard around here sometimes. Also, as you mentioned there is no doubt that she has had lip synched performances that are a matter of fact, not opinion.

And what you mentioned has yes, been discussed as a possibility here. I agree, that you can't rely on dvds because of the editing, but you can get a pretty good idea from comparing tv versions to dvd versions. It's too coincidental that they would just happen to use the audio from the tv version and put it over the DVD one imo when they could easily take the audio from any concert date to do that. Why pick the audio from the tv version that they know will send out a huge red flag to the audience that the performance might be lip synched?

I do think the lip-synchs somewhat often and there are some performaces that you don't even metioned that I'm pretty sure weren't live, and I think also that if the TV and DVD sounds are the same is because

a)she sang it well live
b)it was lip-synch

So still, we can't be 100% sure... Ayu lip-synchs much more than her biased fans think, but not so often as you all think she does in this thread... And I'm not saying this based on how much I love her or any of this crap, I just studied a little of vocal technic (still have a lot to learn, I'm just begining) and I do notice some singing mistakes in fancams or tv reports that magically disappear on DVD/latter aired on Tv versions...

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

So still, we can't be 100% sure... Ayu lip-synchs much more than her biased fans think, but not so often as you all think she does in this thread... And I'm not saying this based on how much I love her or any of this crap, I just studied a little of vocal technic (still have a lot to learn, I'm just begining) and I do notice some singing mistakes in fancams or tv reports that magically disappear on DVD/latter aired on Tv versions...

Well at least in this thread I don't see any lip synching allegations that I would consider completely out of left field and without merit. All of them at least have some kind of reasoning behind them. Now if someone were to say that a Who performance were lip synched or something, then I'd agree that people are going too far.

edit: new tour report I just came across that is relevant to the thread: http://ameblo.jp/komaneko7859/entry-10241434500.html
It mentions Energize and Identity seeming like they were lip synched. Energize I can understand, but identity? O.o

[Andrenekoi]

identity is choreographed, isn't it?

[SunshineSlayer]

^Maybe. I don't like her choreographing her rock songs to begin with though.

[Andrenekoi]

so... I think you should keep distance of this tour... cause it seens that all the rock songs are choreographed xD As usual on all her performaces on all ATs

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

so... I think you should keep distance of this tour... cause it seens that all the rock songs are choreographed xD As usual on all her performaces on all ATs

Nah, she has plenty of her rock songs without choreography on her other tours.

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

It was, but it was chorepraphed to look like it wasn't
I think that only the encore is not entirely planned

That's true. I like when its totally not choreographed at all - it did rub me the wrong way to see that even the moves for a song for xx these days are choreographed too. But what I primarily meant is at least not having actual dance moves to it like Talkin' 2 myself, etc.

[waterballoon]

lmao. The only "rock" songs in NEXT LEVEL, LOVE 'n' HATE & identity are both like choreographed... haha but they have a sick beat to it, so I'm okay with it.

At least she didn't choreograph (miss)understood in AT 06. XD

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by waterballoon

lmao. The only "rock" songs in NEXT LEVEL, LOVE 'n' HATE & identity are both like choreographed... haha but they have a sick beat to it, so I'm okay with it.

At least she didn't choreograph (miss)understood in AT 06. XD

It was, but it was chorepraphed to look like it wasn't
I think that only the encore is not entirely planned

[Andrenekoi]

If you think about that, then of course people are going to hate you if you continue to talk about Lipsync everywhere on this forum

This is a very good point Sunshine Slayer... noidea openned this thread to discuss this, and more people will dislike to see this subject in other parts of the forum because of this. I know you don't do this to piss her fans off, but people are tired of this subject, and who is not is posting here too... I'm not trying to offend you or to bash you or anything like that, but if people are not interested in knowing if ayu is singing live or if she isn't and you keep bringing this on over and over again... well, as maikaru said, people will hate you.

I think that you have the right of discussing this, but other users have the right of getting bothered with this too... I sugest that you keep this subject here^^"

[spanishfan]

I can't help too much but i think if you put the non-lipsync song in green (SeaGreen) it would be better because its hard see the diference between unknown and live. Red is good for lipsync.

I also hate lipsync songs... i prefer she had the worst voice but see her effort (i know this thread is not to discuss if it's good or not to do lipsync, just i agree with some people that comment about it)
Well, I want to know what songs are live and what lipsync, because i love to heard her concerts, only heard because i prefer live sound instead studio recordered so, i want to know what songs are true live.

(OMG its too late so i've made so many mistakes writing english... sorry u.u)

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

This is a very good point Sunshine Slayer... noidea openned this thread to discuss this, and more people will dislike to see this subject in other parts of the forum because of this.

The only other place this is being brought up is the Next Level tour thread and I was not the only one. I stated what I thought was lip synched and gave my reasons and that was it - it was others that insisted on continuing to bring it up. No one is forcing anyone to read or get involved in this thread or others like it. And if people actually hate other people for discussing a relevant topic (and its really such a stupid small thing to hate anyone over), then that's just sad.

Often times I'm not the one that actually brings this up, but if someone wants to discuss about a certain issue it seems ridiculous to stop them from doing so unless it is something lewd/uncalled for. I don't go around telling people on the forum what they can and can't talk about even if I don't like it. And I agree, it should mainly stay in this thread, but it should at least be mentioned in threads that are relevant such as the Next Level tour thread.

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

The only other place this is being brought up is the Next Level tour thread and I was not the only one. I stated what I thought was lip synched and gave my reasons and that was it - it was others that insisted on continuing to bring it up. No one is forcing anyone to read or get involved in this thread or others like it. And if people actually hate other people for discussing a relevant topic (and its really such a stupid small thing to hate anyone over), then that's just sad.

Often times I'm not the one that actually brings this up, but if someone wants to discuss about a certain issue it seems ridiculous to stop them from doing so unless it is something lewd/uncalled for. I don't go around telling people on the forum what they can and can't talk about even if I don't like it.

This is relevant for you, what does not mean it is for everyone... It's like the plastic surgeries thing... People doesn't care if this is discussed once or twice... but every concert thread in some time have a lip-synch comment... usually by you... It's your right wanting to talk about this, but people are getting tired of this subject... I'm not trying to say where you can or can't post...

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

This is relevant for you, what does not mean it is for everyone... It's like the plastic surgeries thing... People doesn't care if this is discussed once or twice... but every concert thread in some time have a lip-synch comment... usually by you... It's your right wanting to talk about this, but people are getting tired of this subject... I'm not trying to say where you can or can't post...

If there is a concert with a lip synched song, why shouldn't it be mentioned? It's like cherry picking only the nice things and leaving out the not so nice. Alright, so now I've learned that even in the future if/when she lip synchs no one should ever mention it outside of this thread and everyone should just pretend that she sings live the whole time. Sure, maybe a few people on the forum will be happier with that, but it wouldn't be reality.

...and if people (some of which are in this thread) are so tired of talking about it/seeing it, why even bother to come in here? It seems the people that do actually want to discuss it, can't even do it in their own thread without having to defend themselves. It's ridiculous.