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6th May 2007, 02:03 AM
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6th May 2007, 03:27 AM
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Avex makes money by whatever the amount of cds they ship out not the amount of sales from stores...so I think those are shipped numbers which they made money from. I don't think its that important if those are sales numbers or not...at the end, ayu and avex made a lot of money from the releases.
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6th May 2007, 04:26 AM
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5th May 2007, 05:22 AM
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Some stores probably did not have get enough copies while other stores probably had too many copies.
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5th May 2007, 08:40 AM
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As I said, those COULD BE THE TOTAL SALES including Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan etc.And that would be a reason why ORICON's numbers are lower.And btw most of the other record companies do release the total sales, take TOSHIBA EMI for example.
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5th May 2007, 12:55 PM
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i think Secret sold more copies in taiwan,singapore,china and hong kong than 150.000..
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5th May 2007, 04:41 PM
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^ Well since many think that the avex statistics point towards shipped copies, maybe it's not exactly lying. Plus Oricon too is not so reliable from what I've read..
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5th May 2007, 04:41 PM
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It would be fraud if they were to lie about their revenues or the stuff that actually goes on to their financial statements. An artist's sales numbers aren't in reported in a statement, so I don't think it would be fraud.
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5th May 2007, 05:43 PM
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Ok so I don't understand.
Avex sales are reliable? (in any way shipping, worldwide or what not).
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5th May 2007, 11:13 PM
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^I think they are reliable in shipping and also worldwide shipments.
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5th May 2007, 11:50 PM
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^Which are the sales they've published?
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6th May 2007, 07:23 PM
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^ The way Oricon counts sales is too secretive to know. neomarxisme notes how Oricon manpulates rankings to how they see convenient. Ikimasshoi have mentioned how Oricon seems to have a connection with Johnny's. Might explain why some Johnny's group keep on getting consecutive #1.
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Last edited by Raleigh; 6th May 2007 at 07:26 PM.
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7th May 2007, 02:12 AM
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 If Oricon really is that messed up then I think I'd much rather put my faith in Avex's numbers
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7th May 2007, 04:05 AM
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i wouldn't think ORICON would just make up numbers. if they favor JE artists, wouldn't they have given TOKIO the weekly #1 when they released "Hikari no Machi / Run Free"? it was number one the first day, but Kobukuro's "Tsubomi" grabbed the weekly #1. KinKi Kids' new single did manage to get the number 1, but its sales are their lowest yet (it didn't break 200,000+ like their previous singles). i would've gave them their usual opening sales, no?
i'm pretty sure ORICON has its flaws, but if it's the most recognizable music chart in Japan, you would think there would be some truth to what numbers they release.
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7th May 2007, 09:46 AM
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As I said, they're only suppositions. However when a guy wrote about Oricon's dubious system he got sued. And people are starting to question even more and more since Oricon seems to be more keen to shut up whoever questions their system rather than explain the process of counting sales. Obviously they cannot overdo it so I imagine they only tweak with small numbers, otherwise it would look too obvious.
I think Oricon is the most recognizable chart because it's been around for long. However yep, it's arguably the most reliable chart around.
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Last edited by Raleigh; 7th May 2007 at 11:19 PM.
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