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Old 7th October 2010, 04:34 PM
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AKB48 needs the high sales.. I mean there're like 48 of them lol
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haha, the secret of AKB48's sales is out~ God that's a soulless marketing strategy. I don't know why I'm so surprised that the label'd pull a stunt like that, though. Faith in people has once again been ruined.
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Old 7th October 2010, 11:13 PM
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^ Whats interesting is how so many people in Japan actually like that. I know several 40 something women here who act and dress like they are still in their 20s. By western standards that's weird, but in Japan it seems fairly normal and accepted.

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I personally don't see anything too wrong with it. Unless you're talking like, micro mini skirts or something:p
I don't think you should have to start wearing 'old lady' clothes just because you're getting older.
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Old 7th October 2010, 11:33 PM
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I personally don't see anything too wrong with it.
I don't think you should have to start wearing 'old lady' clothes just because you're getting older.
Which is ALSO a problem in Japan as several idols (noticeably in Hello!Project) who have hit 20+ start to wear old lady clothes because they are now "adult." (i.e. Aya Matsuura. Poor girl, what happened to her? ;~; )
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I personally don't see anything too wrong with it. Unless you're talking like, micro mini skirts or something:p
I don't think you should have to start wearing 'old lady' clothes just because you're getting older.
I'm not just talking about the clothes they wear, but their entire demeanor in general. They put on a very cutesy demeanor and voice (ala Seiko Matsuda), even though it doesn't really suit their age. And yes, sometimes a micro mini accompanies it.
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Old 7th October 2010, 11:52 PM
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I personally don't see anything too wrong with it. Unless you're talking like, micro mini skirts or something:p
I don't think you should have to start wearing 'old lady' clothes just because you're getting older.
Well, I'm a Madonna fan... I have no problem with older women wearing mini skirts, or even less...

But I do find it weird to see someone older than 12 wearing this:


Maybe this is just me being biased towards western culture... And I don't wanna offend any of Seiko fans... But I do find it strange... not only the outfit... but the way she is singing, her body language, etc. I know Ayu, Koda, Otsuka and (rarely) Namie does those kind of stuff... But usually u have a cute look and a sexy choreography, or a song filled with innuendos (mainly Otsuka), etc... For 2, 3 songs of a concert, not all the concerts for 30 years @_@
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I'm kinda shocked at the lack of AKB48 fans in AHS =O I feel the need to report here as a fan so this thread will have at least a bit of AKB-love xD

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I do think that now female idols do have a chance to make a comeback more so than over the past couple of years, I just wish it wasn't AKB leading the way.
I'm kinda curious xD like, AKB48 just seems like... what japanese female idols are usually like? Like Morning Musume and etc... I never managed to like Momusu at all though :| in fact I've never liked japanese girl groups at all cause they seemed kind of "awkward" with the excessive cutesy/innocent image, so I'd been following just korean ones until now, AKB was the only one that "conquered" me, lol.

Anyway, what kind of idol did you want to lead the way here? More "mature" groups like SPEED? I'm curious now, ha.

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Aaaand to keep this post at least slightly in topic, I did wish L would outsell crossroad... because this feels to me like her most epic single in a long time, it totally blew me away... and I never went crazy about crossroad like everyone elese did. It's a good song, definitely sounds better than the preview did, but that's it for me. lol. Plus it's the 50th single....
But this is decent at least. at least the record's broken ^__^ congratz, ayu~
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I'm kinda curious xD like, AKB48 just seems like... what japanese female idols are usually like?

Anyway, what kind of idol did you want to lead the way here? More "mature" groups like SPEED? I'm curious now, ha.
No I want female artists that are more talent than AKB48 or momosu. Just like back in 2000 - 2003: ayu, hikki, ringo, misia, aiko, etc.
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^^ no need to feel sad, ayu is still making a shiiitload of yen every year.
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honestly as much as I think ayu has left a bigger mark,
I think utada has been consistently more popular.
marketing blah blah w/e but the numbers stand, people want them some hikaru

but i do hope ayu's next best album blows it out of the water!
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after hearing Utada's new song, I'm pretty sure Japan would much prefer Ayu over that
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after hearing Utada's new song, I'm pretty sure Japan would much prefer Ayu over that
utada is already all over tokyo with her pepsi commercials and stuff... is a bit annoying lol she looks gorgeous though

i even saw a big video of her with pepsi in shibuya


so somehow i feel people are getting spoon-fed with her image.

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Utada has always had really smart promotion. She always seems to get the massive tie-ins for her songs etc.

I don't think Ayu has really cared about that kind of thing in YEARS. It doesn't seem to bother her that all of Japan doesn't worship her lol
And hey, if I were in her position I'd rather have fans that genuinely liked and respected the music I make (and myself as a person), than have a lot of off-and-on fans.
Ayu seems way happier recently than she ever was when she was at her peak.
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Utada has always had really smart promotion. She always seems to get the massive tie-ins for her songs etc.

I don't think Ayu has really cared about that kind of thing in YEARS. It doesn't seem to bother her that all of Japan doesn't worship her lol
And hey, if I were in her position I'd rather have fans that genuinely liked and respected the music I make (and myself as a person), than have a lot of off-and-on fans.
Ayu seems way happier recently than she ever was when she was at her peak.
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I'm wondering if ayu could do something catchy and hot in the future. Something like Namie Amuro??
Last Angel is a different song, but is too pop yet and there is not a lot of promo from avex.
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@ero-kakkoii Well, every Hikaru album oversold Ayu's released on the same year... Even Ayu's best selling album was oversold by Utada... So, I'm pretty sure u don't really now how much power the woman has xD

@TeddyGrahams You are just saying that cuz people over her praise Ayu for everything they like and blame Avex for everything they dislike... Bad news for you: She makes more money touring than selling albums and singles... and even worst: more money from concerts goes to her pocket than money from albums/singles...

@waterballoonThis would be a valid argument if 90% of her biggest hits weren't among her most generic tracks... Actually, besides M and Evolution, all of her big hits are pretty much generic jpop...


People over here should stop talking like she was an Avex doll o.O She is always releasing the kind of music japanese people don't like (her rock tracks), she is always recording pvs japanese people don't like (all the pvs people over here love) and she seens to be very damn happy with her tours! She is not a ****ing doll, she is not Avex puppet, and she is pretty much doing whatever she wants! People over here is complaing she is not selling like Arashi, well, thanks God she is not trying, or we would have a new version of her post 2001 albums every year ~~'



Let her do her thing... her singles are selling good, she is in fact overselling people who peaked after her! Her tours have more dates every year unlike other former top acts that needed to take dates out and tour on small venues like BoA... So, why so much complain! She is not searching for food on trashcans or something, she is pretty much among the top earning female stars every year since her peak! When she is not THE top earning of the year x_____________________________x
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@ero-kakkoii Well, every Hikaru album oversold Ayu's released on the same year... Even Ayu's best selling album was oversold by Utada... So, I'm pretty sure u don't really now how much power the woman has xD
power she has? or the power that great marketing and sales tactics is made of?

not saying ayumi isn't heavily marketed or whatever, but utada's new song isn't groundbreaking or anything compared to ayu's new music IMO, and to hear it's being "spoonfed" to people... hmmm.
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power she has? or the power that great marketing and sales tactics is made of?

not saying ayumi isn't heavily marketed or whatever, but utada's new song isn't groundbreaking or anything compared to ayu's new music IMO, and to hear it's being "spoonfed" to people... hmmm.
She could be releasing a track made totally from farts... Considering this Single Collection is almost totally made of strong singles, IMO it will sell very well
Only 2 of it's 13 songs didn't sell over 1 million on digital charts, and one of those 2 was very close to it... 3 songs sold + than 2 million, and one, more than 7 million digital copies...
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@waterballoonThis would be a valid argument if 90% of her biggest hits weren't among her most generic tracks... Actually, besides M and Evolution, all of her big hits are pretty much generic jpop...
Yeah ikr, her most famous songs like Days, BLUE BIRD, SEASONS, Sunrise are all your standard J-Pop fare, which is why I don't think it's like she stopped making "amazing" music just because she doesn't have good tie-ins.

Btw, you're right that Ayu goes against the trend by releasing whatever she wants and all that, but if we've noticed, her recent singles have all been 'safe' songs...

- Days/GREEN
- Sunrise/Sunset ~LOVE is ALL~
- You were.../BALLAD
- MOON/blossom
- crossroad
- L

Almost all the songs in there are ballads/pop songs, so it's like yeah she's going on the safe route; maybe to ensure a #1 weekly for her streak, maybe to keep the public moderately interested in her, I dunno either lol.

Her "unique" stuff are mostly always album tracks or at most B-Sides... alterna, ourselves, Don't look back are the 3 songs off the top of my mind that are either B-Sides, not the main song in a maxi single or an album track. Even for Last angel on L, which could arguably be the "different" song, also isn't the main song on L. Heck it didn't have a PV.

Also, her last single with a rock song was... Mirrorcle World? But that's a 10th Anniversary special single, so if we disregard that, it would be talkin' 2 myself, which was like 3 years ago lol.

Nothing wrong with her going down the safe route, but I think everyone should at least understand why she's releasing singles in this way and genre lol
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