New live DVD/BD 'ARENA TOUR 2012 ~HLS~' March 8, last of five 15th anni. releases

[TeamAyu2004]

Originally Posted by maikaru

All of these products have "Self-Cover" in the title of it.

So unless you are an industry professional who can override the "naming" of these kinds of songs, they are Self-covers and not remixes.

Remixes are just that - re-mixing a song with previously existing tracks. There is no re-recording of the voice in any remix I have ever listened to. That would be simply a different version.

Take Whatever. They are two different recordings of the same melody and lyrics. They are not called remixes of each other, they are called versions.

A Best A Song for XX is not a remix in any form. It keeps the same instrumentation, but with changed vocals. Same with End Roll, and the others on the album. They are not marketed as remixes in any way, shape, or form.

So unfortunately, you are the only one in the planet who thinks like you do. All other Industry Professionals call these songs "Self-Covers" or "Version (insert title here)"

Honestly Im completely over this subject, but since you felt the need to reply, I'll go along:

Just because someone tells you something doesnt make it true (there are TONS of examples where people come up with a gemic to sell their product, a so called self-cover is a gamic in that department, but it doesnt make the statement true.)... I have said over and over again, that this is the way I view it, you dont have too. And honestly people are wasting their time because im NOT going to change my mind for you. You can not self cover yourself. Anything you do with your own song after the fact is a remix.
I have already given the links to back up my thoughts, im not going to do it again.
And I'm glad you have contact with over 7 billion people to say that I'm the only one that thinks like this.
Thanks for clearing that up... although you may have forgotten a few people here and there(especially the people that think like me), but its all forgiven because, I mean, lets face it, 7 billion is a lot of people to ask about this.

I also like to point out that it appears that so called self covers seem to be an asian music scene kind o thing. I googled for a bit and it doesnt appear that the rest of the world do this, which also points to a gimic practice to try and sell something.
If someone can point out some other musical acts, besides asian acts that say they have so called 'self-covers' that would be nice as well.

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004

Honestly Im completely over this subject, but since you felt the need to reply, I'll go along:

Just because someone tells you something doesnt make it true (there are TONS of examples where people come up with a gemic to sell their product, a so called self-cover is a gamic in that department, but it doesnt make the statement true.)... I have said over and over again, that this is the way I view it, you dont have too. And honestly people are wasting their time because im NOT going to change my mind for you. You can not self cover yourself. Anything you do with your own song after the fact is a remix.
I have already given the links to back up my thoughts, im not going to do it again.
And I'm glad you have contact with over 7 billion people to say that I'm the only one that thinks like this.
Thanks for clearing that up... although you may have forgotten a few people here and there(especially the people that think like me), but its all forgiven because, I mean, lets face it, 7 billion is a lot of people to ask about this.

I also like to point out that it appears that so called self covers seem to be an asian music scene kind o thing. I googled for a bit and it doesnt appear that the rest of the world do this, which also points to a gimic practice to try and sell something.
If someone can point out some other musical acts, besides asian acts that say they have so called 'self-covers' that would be nice as well.

You're being stubborn as usual and about yet another petty thing. Ayumi Hamasaki is an Asian singer. It might be an Asian thing, but she is Asian therefor it applies to her as well. You can really think whatever you want to, but the fact is, self-cover albums exist and they aren't called remix albums in Japan/Asia, as those are completely different things as a couple of people have already tried to explain to you. If you're never ready to change your mind about things then what's the point in discussing them at all?

[kinix]

Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004;2968525
Just because someone tells you something doesnt make it true (there are TONS of examples where people come up with a gemic to sell their product, a so called self-cover is a gamic in that department, but it doesnt make the statement true.)... [B

I have said over and over again, that this is the way I view it, you dont have too. And honestly people are wasting their time because im NOT going to change my mind for you.[/B] You can not self cover yourself. Anything you do with your own song after the fact is a remix.
I have already given the links to back up my thoughts, im not going to do it again.
And I'm glad you have contact with over 7 billion people to say that I'm the only one that thinks like this .

Honestly, I'm glad that you've finally realise this!

Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004

*you still missed the point of the original post.*You and Me appeared on Best album before it appeared on original album.Thats the point. She has never done that before.So yes, your example is wrong.Also, it doesnt matter how you treat the mini's they were marketed as MINI's not singles... thats way some people are pissed.and SO WHAT if Rainbow was on another album, its a valid example. And satsugyo shashin being a cover means nothing.She sampled Memorial address/covered it and it appeared on an album... whats your point?

Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004

And how you treat the MINI's and singles DOESN'T matter when it comes to official statements about the mini's. All that matters is how avex and ayumi treated them which is what caused most of the backlash in the first place. It's not being rude. It's FACTS if you dont like it, that is your problem, no one else's. And quite frankly I was giving you MY opinion.

Either you've realise that or you're just contradicting yourself

[miru2590]

Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004

I have said over and over again, that this is the way I view it, you dont have too. And honestly people are wasting their time because im NOT going to change my mind for you.

Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004

^ it is interchangeable. I never told anybody that they are wrong in their thoughts, unlike some. Its just not the way I view it.

I agree


On another note I can't believe return road is not on the DVD. Has this been confirm???

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by Delirium-Zer0

*eyeroll*

"Covers" are by other people.
"Self-covers" (this is a common term used in j-pop by the way, "self-cover" albums are marketed as "self-cover" albums) are covers by the same person. (Hence the "self-" prefix. I don't even see how there's debate about this.)

A remix has only the instrumentation changed. A self-cover has the vocals changed, and usually the instrumentation changed also. A self-cover makes changes as though the artist, in their current form, is a different artist with different talents and artistic ideas and tastes. Which is kind of the truth. A self cover is usually useless if it's done only a year or so after the song originally came out because there's probably not gonna be much difference.

Here's a handy comparison chart:
A Song for XX "she shell REPRODUCTION" (remix) | A Song for XX "030213 Session #2" (self-cover)
Dearest "Depth nostalgic windmix" (remix) | Dearest "Acoustic Piano Version" (self-cover)
Endless sorrow "Natural Green dub mix" (remix) | Endless sorrow ~gone with the wind ver.~ (self-cover)
LOVE~Destiny~ "TODD'S LOVERS CONVERSION" (remix) | LOVE~Destiny~ (10th Anniversary Version) (self-cover)

I hope this makes it easy for everyone to understand so they can stop debating just for the sake of debating.

Don't keep the debate... Trust me, you won't convince him. Of anything. Never.

[DonkeyKongRemix]

Round-and-round the discussion goes!

[Zeke.]

Originally Posted by Delirium-Zer0

Dearest "Depth nostalgic windmix" (remix) | Dearest "Acoustic Piano Version" (self-cover)

I always wondered if the Acoustic version of Dearest had different vocals! It sounded slightly different to me so I am glad you have answered this question of mine without me ever having to ask it. Thanks!

[njanjayrp]

First of all re-arranging and remixing are two different things. When it comes to self-covers the tracks are usually re-arranged (Kaijura Yuki has a couple of self-cover albums and so does BONNIE PINK) and feature new vocals. Oh well I think Deli pretty much said it all...

[DogboyShugo]

I can see why people think the 5 releases were a joke, but in a way they're kind of not.

No matter what Ayu says or any website, I do not consider LOVE or again mini albums. The contents were treated like her previous singles in the past. A few originals, a few different versions of the originals, and the instrumentals? In what universe is that a mini album? That's all they were...Singles...A mini album is FIVE or Memorial address..., not LOVE or again. They had no remixes, no different versions, no instrumentals, just pure original music

I see the joke part there with them being treated as mini albums, but they all did come with different versions of songs so it wasn't a complete waste. There are probably a lot of fans who like instrumentals, remixes, acoustic, ect...So that wasn't a complete waste.

[TeamAyu2004]

^ well to be fair, FIVE did have a remix.

But about the DVD... I just got to the part of the concert ( i know! far behind) towards the end (about 1 hour 50 minutes) where she is messing around with Zen and the Shyua and then the audience...
what is she saying?
its at the end of the Boys and Girls song!

thanks!

[Delirium-Zer0]

I'm not counting The Mixture since that was self-covers, remixes, and b-sides.

[YuriChan]

^Oh yeah... o_o;

[js_surrealism]

Well she said she wanted to release a lot of new songs - we got 3 on LOVE, 4 on again, and now we're getting 5 on LOVE again. We essentially got 12 new songs across 5 months, that's more than 2 songs on average per month.

Even A Classical sort of gave us new music with all those wonderful arrangements.

[adantatu2]

I can't wait for the cover and that mysterious gift !!

[DogboyShugo]

Also, you guys can't blame Ayu for these releases being not what you wanted. We all knew we would get 5 releases on the 8th of every month. We didn't know what. Everyone guessed what they would be and based their hopes on that. It's not her fault a lot of members got their hopes up on large releases and didn't receive them.

Be thankful for what you got. They're great songs!

[spanishfan]

This is like the singles called mini-albums lol

whatever the name the things have, they're what they are...

I agree I'd like A Song for XX 15th anniversary version, but as XX is 20 in roman numbers, it would be nicer for her 20th anniversary xD

And for A Best 3, I don't like Best of album, unles they have some new versions (resung) of some/all songs. Unfortunatly for me, I think AB3 will be release this year at some time.

BTW... I wonder if we'll get the tracklist of the DVD soon...

[Jawdarna]

I think they're all interchangable to be honest.
Ayu can call it whatever she wants.
Remix, version, self-cover.
Even 're-imagining' would be a great word to use.

Anyway, back to the topic.
I can't wait to see that performance of Return Road!!!

[polka-dot-jewel]

Sometimes I feel like I forget this is the AT12 DVD/bluray thread.

Originally Posted by Jawdarna

Anyway, back to the topic.
I can't wait to see that performance of Return Road!!!

I hope it's on the DVD!! In still a bit irked kiss'o'kill replaced Return Road

[EnergizE]

Originally Posted by polka-dot-jewel

Sometimes I feel like I forget this is the AT12 DVD/bluray thread.



I hope it's on the DVD!! In still a bit irked kiss'o'kill replaced Return Road

I saw Return Road at the AT12, it was amazing !

But I don't think it's gonna be on the tracklist of the main DVD, I think it will be on the DVD 2 with the different performances of the encore (I saw Call and Last Angel)

[TeamAyu2004]

^ it is interchangeable. I never told anybody that they are wrong in their thoughts, unlike some. Its just not the way I view it. When Zeke and I were talking about it it came down to its the same thing, just called differently by people.

also, remake.. i like that term as well, lol.