FLOWER & Mad World (Short ver. MVs on YouTube)

[spanishfan]

Originally Posted by pepper

everything looks better in our memories, isn't it like that?

That's the most true fact that anyone wrote in this forum ever

also could be part of some lyrics (is it already?) xD

[BlackSilence]

I have to admit i've done the continuing complaining and projecting of "I HATE THIS" when COLOURS was released. And i still cannot stand pretty much 99% of the stuff from back then. The thing is, there's always someone who's not really into the stuff. And i thnk it's fine. people like that move on eventually. I know i did. And i somehow myself learned to ignore the people who disslike stuff i absolutelly love. I mean no matter how many times you're gonna repeat that, it's not gonna change my POV, so your opinion doesn't matter, really lol In the end it only matters to those who agree with you HOWEVER i have to say i've been into situations where i got brutually attacked by fellow fans, some of who i actually respected, for just stating my POV. I think we all need to learn to ignore things sometimes. In the end we all love her for one thing or the other. We wouldn't be here if we didn't have something we relate to. Ayu have had fails for my eyes not once, but i still refuse to give up on her, and that's probably because eventually she gives something that i absolutelly love.

[pepper]

Originally Posted by artcika

I have to admit i've done the continuing complaining and projecting of "I HATE THIS" when COLOURS was released. And i still cannot stand pretty much 99% of the stuff from back then. The thing is, there's always someone who's not really into the stuff. And i thnk it's fine. people like that move on eventually. I know i did. And i somehow myself learned to ignore the people who disslike stuff i absolutelly love. I mean no matter how many times you're gonna repeat that, it's not gonna change my POV, so your opinion doesn't matter, really lol In the end it only matters to those who agree with you HOWEVER i have to say i've been into situations where i got brutually attacked by fellow fans, some of who i actually respected, for just stating my POV. I think we all need to learn to ignore things sometimes. In the end we all love her for one thing or the other. We wouldn't be here if we didn't have something we relate to. Ayu have had fails for my eyes not once, but i still refuse to give up on her, and that's probably because eventually she gives something that i absolutelly love.

well we just need to accept the fact that you can't satisfy everyone. I have a guess that a lot of people with "i love all the stuff" are mostly kinda fresh/not so veteran fans but I might be wrong. There is nothing wrong about it, that was me back then. I listened to "A Song for XX" and thought "Depend On You" was a massive hit, even I new "evolution" "SURREAL" and a lot of MY STORY leaked tracks lol

for the Colours, well, I still dislike it much, but its not bad as it was D: I remember how I hated NEXT LEVEL omg! And now is one of my favorite album xd

Well, just put some arguments why you dislike/like something. I like to read everyone's opinion even if I don't agree with it.

[truehappiness]

Having been around for a long time now, I'd say that it is not exaggerated by any means. There are times in the last few years that I wondered whether or not this was still an Ayu fan forum. It even caused some people to leave temporarily who were fans because it got real toxic.

It's lessened in recent years especially after A ONE and her 'return to form' and because of less users posting here in general since there isn't much to talk about while she's touring and she's almost always touring nowadays.

The thing about having opinions is that it goes both ways. If you say something someone doesn't agree with, you may get a reaction if it gets to a point where they want to say something. The issue here is not that people are complaining since that has happened since back in 2003 or even before then, but that there's somehow this strange attachment people have to Ayu despite being repulsed or disgusted by nearly everything she's putting out in a certain period. Like... perhaps step away from Ayu for a bit if every time she does anything, she disappoints you?

Whatever the case is, if we all agreed, things would be boring, but at the same time, I would prefer people liking things as a whole since it makes for more of a calmer forum. I make liberal use of the ignore list just in case, but that can only do so much.

Rewatching Mad World's video, when she becomes made up, it seems to be invoking CAROLS a little bit.

[BlackSilence]

Stepping away is a good idea, except if you hadn't really given up on the artist, it's quite a difficult thing to do. You follow their work because you know they might drop something that you enjoy, and aint nobody wants to miss that, right? I'm in this situation with a certain someone's that Ayu is a friend of. And everything they do throws me off, yet since i'm surrounded by fans and groups, i still get a glimpse of that stuff. Even if i skip the groups, someone shares somethign somewhere and i just cannot ignore it, because what if this is that thing i've been waiting for?? lol It can be difficult to understand, it's like the material is all wrong for you to like, but you're still hanging onto the only thing that's left - hope and the fact that you used to love everythign they did. It takes more than a couple of months to rip all that out with roots and there's more than one factor to get that into progress.

[truehappiness]

Honestly, I just kinda take unintentional breaks from Ayu for a while now. I don't really pay attention to stuff or listen to her during these times. Not that it's hard since she tours so long nowadays that there doesn't really tend to be much I am missing until I check up on stuff one day and bam there's something new!

Somehow I feel like it makes the music that much better if you've been away from it for a bit. Lord knows I haven't listened to some older albums since a few years ago...

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

Honestly, I just kinda take unintentional breaks from Ayu for a while now. I don't really pay attention to stuff or listen to her during these times. Not that it's hard since she tours so long nowadays that there doesn't really tend to be much I am missing until I check up on stuff one day and bam there's something new!

Somehow I feel like it makes the music that much better if you've been away from it for a bit. Lord knows I haven't listened to some older albums since a few years ago...

How do you manage? Even after 10 years I find myself listening to nothing, but her stuff. I keep rediscovering songs, especially when I figure out what some of the lyrics mean on my own.

Sure there are times I listen to others, but I always go back after a few days.

[Yoake]

Ok guys. It's time to close the out of topic discussion about "everyone can say their view/ stop to complain about complainers, etc".

I would like to remind you that all opinions (positive as negative) are welcome on AHS as long as you express it in a respectful and civil manner. Same for the debates. We are all different and have different tastes. None view is superior to another.

[Aderianu]

Ignore list rules. I don't want to read all this shit from "fans" who kill all joy every time, and it helps a lot. My list grew after this thread.

I just don't understand why you guys keep arguing. It is pointless here

One site has very nice comments rating system - all posts with "-" karma become more and more transparent. Too pity we can't make it here. I prefer to see half blank page than this

[//ABEST]

Originally Posted by Aderianu

Ignore list rules. I don't want to read all this shit from "fans" who kill all joy every time, and it helps a lot. My list grew after this thread.

I just don't understand why you guys keep arguing. It is pointless here

One site has very nice comments rating system - all posts with "-" karma become more and more transparent. Too pity we can't make it here. I prefer to see half blank page than this

i have only one person on ignore list since i don't remember how to add people there

Originally Posted by truehappiness

I am a bit sad if "diva" Ayu is gone for good because she always looked so glamorous... however, if it makes Ayu happiest to be this way, there's no reason for her to go back to the way things were.

me too! i became fan when she was the biggest diva (2008) and god i miss those days, she looked so unreal and fabulous like she didn't give a flying fck what people say about her

i really miss those days

[truehappiness]

Yeah, the lack of some of Mad World was something a little strange I noticed too...

I don't think that line got edited out.

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

How do you manage? Even after 10 years I find myself listening to nothing, but her stuff. I keep rediscovering songs, especially when I figure out what some of the lyrics mean on my own.

Sure there are times I listen to others, but I always go back after a few days.

I always listen to her eventually, but sometimes I just don't listen to much music at all, lol.

[spanishfan]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

Yeah, the lack of some of Mad World was something a little strange I noticed too...

I don't think that line got edited out.

I think that the video aired in youtube was edited in order to keep the preview around 2 min.

At least, I hope so, because I like too much that song in full.

[mi|kshake]

also could be part of some lyrics (is it already?) xD

That's what I thought too!

I'm in this situation with a certain someone's that Ayu is a friend of. And everything they do throws me off, yet since i'm surrounded by fans and groups, i still get a glimpse of that stuff.

Who could this be?

PV-wise as usual, I haven't seen any of them yet but am intrigued. Esp by Mad World if it has her old PVs etc showing in the background.

[truehappiness]

I wonder when we will get full versions and from where. MTV? Space Shower?



Looking at the contrast between the two, I wonder if diva Ayu will make a return for the 20th anniversary or perhaps even next year... the difference between her recent set of looks and the ones from the mid to late 2000s is very striking, lol. Would be nice if she swapped into it here and there. It's a little weird getting mostly one look from Ayu for a few years (messy, lightly curled hair and then occasionally pulled back tightly) but I suppose it's been going on since she colored her hair dark. I feel like she's been more beautiful than ever but she may need to play with more styles. Perhaps she wants to avoid wigs and weaves from now on aside from some performances which may explain why we don't get much variety in these last few years.

Also, I'm curious if collaborating with Alvin was a bad thing for her since when she did go a bit 'out there', it just looks like too much with her breasts sticking out some hole in the side of a dress. Now that it seems like they aren't working together, perhaps that La Perla event (white suit) is a hint at how she'll look from now on for events.

[jyujiw]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

Looking at the contrast between the two, I wonder if diva Ayu will make a return for the 20th anniversary or perhaps even next year... the difference between her recent set of looks and the ones from the mid to late 2000s is very striking, lol.

I don't know, the message in Mad World PV seems to me just like the opposite. Like, the natural and "true" Ayu being forced to be the Ayumi Diva Hamasaki, changing her image to what she built and retain for so many years...

I like the way she hints to look back at her "past" (the screen) but she doesn't really. The ink coming at her while being diva may be a interpretation for being polluted or a sort of thing. Let's wait for the full thing

[Refix]

I would rather MAD WORLD to be like a mix of Do it again and 1 LOVE. Her as a Queen of the post apocalyptic world, strolling in the street watching people gone mad, ocult organization everywhere offers salvation and many others stuff.

About Flower... well rather than a now days actress, I would choose she became a traditional artist, Geisha, just like that Geisha movie. Doesn't mind when she's geting breakdown like in the video, decent acting for me.

[DonkeyKongRemix]

The thing I find fascinating about these PVs is the concept of sincerity and raw emotions. There's something about it in these PVs that almost feels forced, but I don't hate it. It's just so Ayu and it feels like she just so badly wants to scream at us how she feels. It almost makes me think of a caged animal.

To me, a truly sincere and raw music video of hers that never felt a bit forced to me was Daybreak. It's the reason why it's still my favorite of hers. Her style is so strange and there's something very surreal about the entire thing, but none of it feels fake to me. Contrasting that kind of realness of emotions with her acting in Mad World and FLOWER is interesting to me.

I just keep churning in my head how I feel about these new PVs. I like them because they make me wonder.

[waterballoon]

do you guys think that FLOWER might end with Ayu naked or maybe in lingerie, just laid out unconscious on the streets?

I noticed she seems to present herself as a flower in the video, and it seems like cutting her hair and ripping off parts of her clothing could represent a flower scattering its petals and/or withering, which are concepts she has sung before like in "Moments".

right before the cut she seems to be running out of a hotel room, maybe possibly into the streets? i think it'd be cool if she lost more and more of her "petals" and finally died off

[yamadashun]

Originally Posted by waterballoon

do you guys think that FLOWER might end with Ayu naked or maybe in lingerie, just laid out unconscious on the streets?

I noticed she seems to present herself as a flower in the video, and it seems like cutting her hair and ripping off parts of her clothing could represent a flower scattering its petals and/or withering, which are concepts she has sung before like in "Moments".

right before the cut she seems to be running out of a hotel room, maybe possibly into the streets? i think it'd be cool if she lost more and more of her "petals" and finally died off

From what I remember of the news clips previously, she might run into the bathroom and started wiping off the makeup on her face with bare hands and then getting soaked by the shower.

[truehappiness]

We saw a bit of the later part of the FLOWER PV in the making.

She's drenched in the shower later on and it looks like the Tell All photobook.

Originally Posted by jyujiw

I don't know, the message in Mad World PV seems to me just like the opposite. Like, the natural and "true" Ayu being forced to be the Ayumi Diva Hamasaki, changing her image to what she built and retain for so many years...

I like the way she hints to look back at her "past" (the screen) but she doesn't really. The ink coming at her while being diva may be a interpretation to being polluted or a sort of thing. Let's wait for the full thing

I am a bit sad if "diva" Ayu is gone for good because she always looked so glamorous... however, if it makes Ayu happiest to be this way, there's no reason for her to go back to the way things were.