ORICON RANKING DAILY [Startin'/Born To Be] - Page 7

Raleigh · #1 12th March 2006, 11:00 PM

Yeah it's a matter of opinion. Personally I prefer Ayu's voice because it's more versatile and enjoyable to the ears. I don't mind if Kumi gets exposure but avex is simply cheap by promoting Ayu so little for this single by giving her three magazine appearances only and not bothering to promote this single more as SunshineSlayer said.

Ayu has spent far more years than Kumi and has worked really hard and this seems a pretty poor way to repay a long term artist by throwing her aside and I really cannot find it in me to forgive avex for treating her so poorly imo.

evolution7931 · #2 12th March 2006, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Demure_Dusk

Yeah it's a matter of opinion. Personally I prefer Ayu's voice because it's more versatile and enjoyable to the ears. I don't mind if Kumi gets exposure but avex is simply cheap by promoting Ayu so little for this single by giving her three magazine appearances only and not bothering to promote this single more as SunshineSlayer said.

Ayu has spent far more years than Kumi and has worked really hard and this seems a pretty poor way to repay a long term artist by throwing her aside and I really cannot find it in me to forgive avex for treating her so poorly imo.

wow I agree 100% with everything you have just said! I mean.. don't they know that they're taking a person who brought in billions for them and basically made them what they are today, and shoving her over.. What's wrong with them?! I mean, do they have any logical sense? Even with A BEST, when she was selling 4 or 5 million cds a year, they tried to get rid of her.. where's their sense?

elepop · #3 12th March 2006, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by evolution7931

wow I agree 100% with everything you have just said! I mean.. don't they know that they're taking a person who brought in billions for them and basically made them what they are today, and shoving her over.. What's wrong with them?! I mean, do they have any logical sense? Even with A BEST, when she was selling 4 or 5 million cds a year, they tried to get rid of her.. where's their sense?

Don't you get it? They don't care. They want money, that's it. Ayu USED to be the one who made 40% of avex's profits. Yes, she USED to be the top star. Yes, she USED to make lots and lots of money for avex and she was the artist of the moment. But you see, Ayu doesn't do that anymore. Kuu is.

SunshineSlayer · #4 16th March 2006, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Demure_Dusk

Yeah it's a matter of opinion. Personally I prefer Ayu's voice because it's more versatile and enjoyable to the ears. I don't mind if Kumi gets exposure but avex is simply cheap by promoting Ayu so little for this single by giving her three magazine appearances only and not bothering to promote this single more as SunshineSlayer said.

Ayu has spent far more years than Kumi and has worked really hard and this seems a pretty poor way to repay a long term artist by throwing her aside and I really cannot find it in me to forgive avex for treating her so poorly imo.

Yeah and those 3 magazines aren't really high profile other than Sweet. I saw the TOKYO mag cover and it's a jumbled mess and doesn't contain anything about Ayu on the inside from what I paged through. However, maybe Ayu wanted to hold back with promotion for this single a bit since she was in the midst of perparing her tour.

While I do agree that Koda has a nice voice, I would have rather seen Otsuka Ai get this kind of promotional blitz from Avex since she at least writes her own material. I like a few of Koda's songs such as Cutey Honey, Butterfly, and 1000 Words, but the vast majority of them are just lacking something to make them memorable imo.

Raleigh · #5 12th March 2006, 11:13 PM

I don't think Ayu had her time. She's still producing quality releases no? And her singles still go straight to #1. She's still a top artist and thus I don't see why avex shouldn't concentrate on her. I still see her high on Oricon popularity charts and she's still one of the most loved artists of all time. I don't see why we shouldn't see Ayu all the time. I enjoy seeing her and I'm pretty disappointed when I don't. Some artists are made to shine for a very long time and Ayu certainly is one of those people.

Hikki has been with Toshiba Emi for ages yet they don't just dump her for the latest artist and give her low promotion even if she's not as huge as she was before.

I don't know why avex is doing this, evolution. Maybe because they just want to focus on another artist because at some point Ayu became huge and that scared avex. We can only speculate. Guess avex wants somebody to make much more money than Ayu but to be honest I can't see Kumi selling too much unless she keeps up with releasing like crazy...

elepop · #6 12th March 2006, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Demure_Dusk

I don't think Ayu had her time. She's still producing quality releases no? And her singles still go straight to #1. She's still a top artist and thus I don't see why avex shouldn't concentrate on her. I still see her high on Oricon popularity charts and she's still one of the most loved artists of all time. I don't see why we shouldn't see Ayu all the time. I enjoy seeing her and I'm pretty disappointed when I don't. Some artists are made to shine for a very long time and Ayu certainly is one of those people.

Hikki has been with Toshiba Emi for ages yet they don't just dump her for the latest artist and give her low promotion even if she's not as huge as she was before.

I don't know why avex is doing this, evolution. Maybe because they just want to focus on another artist because at some point Ayu became huge and that scared avex. We can only speculate. Guess avex wants somebody to make much more money than Ayu but to be honest I can't see Kumi selling too much unless she keeps up with releasing like crazy...

Yeah, her stuff still go straight on #1. But it seems like people care less about Ayu than they used to. So many new artist here and there. I think that if they did a survey on teens in Japan on who's there favorite artist, Ayu would not win. 3-4 years ago, of course. Now, I doubt so.

Yeah, there's rumours that they are scared of Ayu because she's too powerful. That would be a stupid reason to dump her.

Raleigh · #7 12th March 2006, 11:22 PM

Yeah but she still has a strong fanbase and her stuff still sells really well without any gimmicks which is something many artists seem to do nowadays to sell well. Putting her aside sounds a stupid move to me when she has the potential to sell so well.

It sounds a stupid reason to put her aside but we don't know what's really happening. For a while avex has been on the lookout for the artist who would replace Ayu.

evolution7931 · #8 12th March 2006, 11:27 PM

I agree Demure. I mean, Ayu's still selling on average around 2-2.5 million a year, right? She's a top artist.. Judging by that statistic, people obviously do still care about Ayu. And personally, I think Ayumi is more of an artist than koda kumi.. she ALWAYS uses her music to express herself and never uses a co-lyricist.. pfft. but, getting back on track, I think Ayumi is still a top sellign artist and she is usually much stronger than Koda Kumi in the singles department (and in the original album department, some may say) so why not let her keep a budget that lets her shine her full potential? The company will obviously be recompensated in sales >.>

Mad_Cactuar · #9 13th March 2006, 01:38 AM

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I agree Demure. I mean, Ayu's still selling on average around 2-2.5 million a year, right? She's a top artist.. Judging by that statistic, people obviously do still care about Ayu. And personally, I think Ayumi is more of an artist than koda kumi.. she ALWAYS uses her music to express herself and never uses a co-lyricist.. pfft. but, getting back on track, I think Ayumi is still a top sellign artist and she is usually much stronger than Koda Kumi in the singles department (and in the original album department, some may say) so why not let her keep a budget that lets her shine her full potential? The company will obviously be recompensated in sales >.>

Yeah correct, but I think its the part where Avex is scared that Ayu becomes too powerful that deters this. Ayu is already an icon there, and possibly in the world too. Probably Avex is frightened of Ayu's influence in the future. All she needs is one book of memoirs on Avex's cruelty and they're as good as gone.

evolution7931 · #10 13th March 2006, 03:10 AM

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Yeah correct, but I think its the part where Avex is scared that Ayu becomes too powerful that deters this. Ayu is already an icon there, and possibly in the world too. Probably Avex is frightened of Ayu's influence in the future. All she needs is one book of memoirs on Avex's cruelty and they're as good as gone.

heh I love the way you put that XD and you're right. It makes me happy that she can destroy them XDXD mehehe.

elepop · #11 13th March 2006, 02:23 AM

Well guys, if Ayu is still going on very strong. If she's still doing very well despite that the fact there's many other new female artists. If she still sales very very very well even though she has been around for a long time. If she's still at the top and if she still have a huge fanbase... If she still sale a lot of copies compared to many many other artists despite the weak promotion... Why are you complaining?

I mean, hey. Ayu still sale very well even if she doesn't have a lot of promotion compared to, say Kuu... You guys both said it, she's still at the top of the top. And doesn't need a lot of promotion to do so. Isn't that supposed to be something good?

Indie · #12 13th March 2006, 02:56 AM

it is good, I'm kinda glad she still has success even though her promotion is nowhere near the level it was 3-4 years ago.

she doesn't need to be everywhere (magazines/tv) all the time, it's like giving the people a break without actually taking a break herself.

evolution7931 · #13 13th March 2006, 03:59 AM

^^ Um.. I wouldn't get my hopes up for that =.=

ayu_fan929 · #14 13th March 2006, 04:05 AM

lets make this clear again. ku is part of Rhythm Zone. ayu is part of avex. yes, Rhythm Zone is part of avex as the 'bigger' label, but i really doubt that max matsuura or any of the higher execs at the avex 'main' label have much control over wut happens at rhythm zone.
someone mentioned that ayu was getting 'too big' for the company (thru market share etc. yeah thats true and avex/sub-labels have been trying to diversify all they can and invest in other artists. wut would happen to avex when ayu finally decides to call it quits? thats not good for the company, so thats y they do this, its not like they are betraying ayu or anything. and we've seen wut avex/sub-labels invests in. ie: BoA, Otsuka Ai, Koda Kumi. it makes perfect sense to invest in them more than ayu cos they still have a long way ahead of them. at least 5 years (for BoA, like 10 years.) how many years does ayu have left? not very much. once artists, especially female ones hit 30, do u see the in the mainstream jpop world?
and i agree with asongforxx. if ayu can still be strong w/out the promo needed, y r u complaining?

truehappiness · #15 13th March 2006, 04:42 AM

I wonder why Avex chose now to use Koda like this..

Perhaps they wanted to choose the period where Ayu would be the least strong? x.x

/dies

Mad_Cactuar · #16 13th March 2006, 04:53 AM

Anyway, lets get back to Ayu.. xD Are there any strong contenders this week? I hope Startin' stays at #1 for the whole week and possibly the next.

truehappiness · #17 13th March 2006, 05:15 AM

~_~

Well, HINOI TEAM, Janne de arc, Morning Musume.. next week anyway... hm... the FFXII single by Angela Aki x.x..

That's all about worth mentioning. I think Ayu might be able to hold her position till next wednesday. :[

ayu_fan929 · #18 13th March 2006, 05:35 AM

NEWS is getting #1 next week for sure. not only r they a JE group but their last singles have debuted at 180k+ on 1st week.

truehappiness · #19 13th March 2006, 05:44 AM

Oh THEM. >>

Yeah Ayu ain't gettin' no. 1 next week XDD probably this week only.

Damn JE people >>

Kikaru · #20 13th March 2006, 05:49 AM

Avex is a company, and they want to be less dependent of Ayu. Although it's kind of sad to see that they're somewhat "tossing" the older artist, from a business point of view it makes sense. As a company, their primary goal is to earn profit.

Most singers, especially pop, doesn't go beyond the age of 30 and strong. Ayu's considered pretty old in the pop world. Ayu done a pretty admiral feat of remaining strong after 7 years. Even Seiko Matsuda's status begins to fade after 5-6 years, as well as Namie Amuro. I figured that Avex probably thinks that Ayu's going to retire in a few years and when she does, the company won't suddenly collapse.

But Ayu has a pretty sturdy fanbase, and she can still sell, and I think Avex knows that. LIke Ayu_fan929 said, Ayu probably have few years ahead of her as a queen and there are younger artists with longer time. Strategically, it's a good move for Avex.

I think at a point Avex wondered if Ayu is too big for them to handle...but if they kick her out because she's too powerful, that's just kind of wierd...