[Charts & Rankings] The Official Oricon Thread of Sunrise/Sunset ～LOVE is ALL～ -starting over-

[brener]

too low for a second day, I expected at least 15k :/

[polka-dot-jewel]

lol Seriously, this is just like MW and t2m all over again... MW to see if she'll really keep her #1 spot, and t2m because of the low sales. Unless her weekend sales really increase, I wouldn't be surprised if her sales total around 70k.

I'm not too worried about the sales. Nowadays, I think Ayu's just releasing music to release it, and she's definitely focused more on touring. But, based on the sold out concerts, of course that would be something she would focus a bit more on.

[ayumisrael]

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

Yeah, I'd say it has good chances of ending up that way, which is still pretty much ok and that way there are chances it will sell the same as talkin' 2 myself or a bit more. This should teach AVEX to make the singles more desirable for fans in the future.

I'm not sure though if it will help anymore to make the singles eye candies.
Look at kuu's 3 SPLASH, it was just an eye candy single with 3 versions with 3 different covers, 3 songs, interludes, PVs etc.
But it still doing worse than even the collaboration single with her sister misono.
It might help for longer chart life somehow but go figure if multiple versions and first presses will be helpful in the future.

[TITANIC]

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

Yeah, I'd say it has good chances of ending up that way, which is still pretty much ok and that way there are chances it will sell the same as talkin' 2 myself or a bit more. This should teach AVEX to make the singles more desirable for fans in the future.

hahaha.. hopefully it doesnt mean they make multiple version.. I hope thats the sign for another triple or quadruple A side after that....
it's been 6 years looooh

[ayumisrael]

^Same comment as my previous. xD

I sure hope ayu would do a 3,4 A-side single again!!
But her only more than 2 A-side singles are the summer singles. T_T

[AMANDABYNES]

Oh My!! What a dissaster! Another flop!


My poor AYU ((((

[RikkuChii]

Wow.

Uhm..go Ayu?

..but seriously, did anyone expect this single to sell like MW or GREEN/Days did?

Two subpar songs, atrocious covers & boring PV's?

This single was destined to not sell well.

I hope she doesn't lose her #1 streak, though.

[SunshineSlayer]

^ considering this is a fun summer song, yes. I expected it to sell more than MW and Rule but maybe not as much as Days.

It's sad to see that Ayu's sales have fallen to almost MM levels these days. In fact Ayu dropped more than MM did - and that's no small feat considering both artists usually have big drops, but rarely does someone have as big drops as MM these days. In some ways though, I can understand it.

Originally Posted by rakeru

as far as this being the end of an era, i believe so! 0_o but maybe not necessarily for single female artists. in the US, at least, there is no more money in single and album sales. it's all about the tour-- without one, an artist doesn't cash in. it seems Japan is following that trend. and like the US, i think Japan will drop boybands in a few years and (hopefully) embrace single female artists once more.

Highly doubtful. Boybands are really a part of the culture over there. Its not like they just suddenly became popular a few years ago. Boybands have been there since basically the start of Japanese pop music - they aren't really seen as something bad or shameful over there.

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

Ahm, Together When... = Double Platinum for Chaku Uta and Platinum for Chaku-uta full, so I guess the total number is close to a million, Google Translation is at least good for something -> http://translate.google.com/translat...history_state0

No chart ever has Chaku-uta and Chaku-uta full combined. (as already explained) and even if they did, 750,000 is still a ways off from 1 million.

[zyoeru]

It sucks that my favourite Ayu single's sales aren't good...oh well things will be okay!

[ayumisrael]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

^ considering this is a fun summer song, yes. I expected it to sell more than MW and Rule but maybe not as much as Days.

It's sad to see that Ayu's sales have fallen to almost MM levels these days. In fact Ayu dropped more than MM did - and that's no small feat considering both artists usually have big drops, but rarely does someone have as big drops as MM these days. In some ways though, I can understand it.



Highly doubtful. Boybands are really a part of the culture over there. Its not like they just suddenly became popular a few years ago. Boybands have been there since basically the start of Japanese pop music - they aren't really seen as something bad or shameful over there.



No chart ever has Chaku-uta and Chaku-uta full combined. (as already explained) and even if they did, 750,000 is still a ways off from 1 million.

750,000 is still not a number you can say that is unpopular or a small number though.
Nothing that is not a million is not a million of course but it's still a ways above the half of a million which the number itself is considered great.
I do remember that avex in what of their PDFs wrote that Together When... had 970,000 digital downloads in total. I'm not sure if they fabricated the numbers or if RIAJ don't count all of the downloads websites or something of that sort.
Also on kuu's official website they wrote that stay with me had 3,500,000 or 2,500,000? legal downloads while the single sold 65,000, I wonder if it's fabricated as well.

Also even if it's a summer single, as we know ayu's popularity keeps dropping through the years the sales between her summer singles drop each time.
BLUE BIRD sold around 256,000, glitter/fated sold around 165,000 (100,000 difference), and S/S will sell around the 100,000 (each is a 50,000-70,000 drop) it's only natural as it seems that ayu still didn't create something to maintain her popularity or take it up again, (and it seems that avex doesn't too probably both sides don't highly care for it or ayu or whoever).
It's just your usual ayu summer single. With each year passing, if it's what it will stay in, that's what will keep happening.

[SunshineSlayer]

^ Yeah, of course I'm not saying it sold bad just that it didn't sell the ginormous amount of copies people seem to think it sold.

btw, I was pointed to Amazon (by 2ch) and it seems this single is not nearly as well received as her past singles in terms of reviews: http://www.amazon.co.jp/Sunrise-Suns...ref=pd_sim_m_1

[Evolution7/4]

^Interesting. On iTunes its recieved glowing reviews.

[noidea]

oh my....this is one big flop...I expected the japanese to love this single...a summer song and a ballad(though I myself think these sales are still too much for such an IMO crappy single), I hope she keeps her streak at least

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by ayumisrael

I'm not sure though if it will help anymore to make the singles eye candies.
Look at kuu's 3 SPLASH, it was just an eye candy single with 3 versions with 3 different covers, 3 songs, interludes, PVs etc.
But it still doing worse than even the collaboration single with her sister misono.
It might help for longer chart life somehow but go figure if multiple versions and first presses will be helpful in the future.

The only difference is that Kumi doesn't have the fan base of the same size.

Originally Posted by riozz

hahaha.. hopefully it doesnt mean they make multiple version.. I hope thats the sign for another triple or quadruple A side after that....
it's been 6 years looooh

Ah well I personally don't mind multiple versions, it's better to have many versions to choose from even if the covers are similar.

I'd say it's obvious Ayu might have a tough time selling her singles physically, that doesn't mean the songs aren't popular, as obviously they are doing well digitally, just that AVEX needs to make her singles more worthwhile, Rule/Sparkle had the remixes, posters and the package was cool - I am not blaming Ayu, as I think the music and the songs are just fine, just that when it comes to marketing AVEX isn't doing the best job imo.

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

btw, I was pointed to Amazon (by 2ch) and it seems this single is not nearly as well received as her past singles in terms of reviews: http://www.amazon.co.jp/Sunrise-Suns...ref=pd_sim_m_1

That same page says NEXT LEVEL was rated 5/5 by the reviewers. You can never be sure with those, as both the hard core fans and the hard core trolls are posting. I am not saying those don't reflect the opinion of general public, but it's hard to reflect it with just 30 opinions.

Anyways, I didn't say TW... sold million+ just that it was close to million than you originally posted

[ayumisrael]

Did ayu break a new record or something?

http://www.oricon.co.jp/news/rankmusic/68392/

"あゆ、連続初登場首位記録の更新なるか!?
( 2009年08月13日 11時00分)

　浜崎あゆみの46枚目のシングル「Sunrise / Sunset ～LOVE is ALL～」が、3.6万枚を売り上げ、発売初日となる8/11付デイリーシングルランキングで首位を獲得した。

　本作は「Sunrise ～LOVE is ALL～」と「Sunset ～LOVE is ALL～」の両A面シングル。「Sunrise ～LOVE is ALL～」は、舘ひろし主演のテレビ朝日系ドラマ『ダンディ・ダディ？～恋愛小説家・伊崎龍之介～』の主題 歌。浜崎がドラマ主題歌を担当するのは、佐藤浩市主演のTBS系ドラマ『高原へいらっしゃい』の「forg iveness」（累積売上22.2万枚）以来、6年ぶりとなる。

　また、「Sunset ～LOVE is ALL～」は、Panasonicのデジタルカメラ「LUMIX FX60」CMソング。3曲目には、浜崎の夏の代表曲「July 1st」「Greatful days」「fairyland」「BLUE BIRD」「glitter」をリミックスしたスペシャルトラックを収録している。

　浜崎は、今年2月にリリースした前作「Rule/Sparkle」（累積売上13.0万枚）で、2002年4月発売の「Free＆Easy」以来、20作連 続で週間シングルランキング初登場1位を記録。ソロアーティスト、ならびに女性アーティストとして史上初の 快挙を達成した。本作でも週間ランキング1位を獲得し、連続初登場首位記録をさらに更新できるか、注目が集 まる。"

[Ayumiko]

^is it just the continuation of her streak?

Its nice to see what ayu's sales are like with only 2 versions and no extra goodies. Of course compared to her old standards, its low but compared to nowadays as a female solo artist, she's doing quite well imo.

[Kingdom]

wow.. the second day sales were really unexpected.. more than half her first day drop

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by Ayumiko

^is it just the continuation of her streak?

Its nice to see what ayu's sales are like with only 2 versions and no extra goodies. Of course compared to her old standards, its low but compared to nowadays as a female solo artist, she's doing quite well imo.

This

[Evolution7/4]

^Ditto.
Stop calling it a flop. Sure it didn't do as well as some expected but its not a flop. Pessimism is a disease here.

[ayumisrael]

Originally Posted by Evolution7/4

^Ditto.
Stop calling it a flop. Sure it didn't do as well as some expected but its not a flop. Pessimism is a disease here.

lol I will agree with that for reasons I mentioned earlier.
Also getting some first days sales from past singles threads, it seems that for all of the singles since 2007 has a it's a flop/it's so low 5-6 first pages comments.

I guess people have to get used to the new standarts until ayu puts out smashing hits and avex will startegy her accordingly.