Ayu Twitter/Weibo Discussion #31

[primavera♥]

Originally Posted by happiholic★

Its simple to me. Surprise Leslie Photobook Number One didn't go well. She already stated she didn't like the images. They should have thought of a better gift idea. Its extremely naive. And I also still think there is some truth missing, and so far we only have Ayu's statement which is of course going to make her camp look best.

There's different reasons as to why the situation didn't work with mannie. Some interview in some mag exists where she was talking about all thatt divorce stuff and the pictures...ayu is not going to view it similarly with her dancers, especially when these pics aren't even as sensual, and she said she'd like them (truth or not?) and also this time, it was more about betrayal and images being released when they shouldn't have been and etc. Trust is a complex thing, I doubt they would naturally distrust him, not after the mannie thing, because it's not the same. And leslie's been around for a while and has done other things. People don't have to drop someone out of their lives after doing one thing wrong anyway, especially when it's more complicated than right or wrong but really about other things. A situation like this would be more so when to lose trust. Ayu's dancers just did what they wanted and so did leslie, and now ayu is involved and has to deal with it.

You seem to be on the biased track though where only if the story is awful and shows badly on ayu and dancers will it be true. Which isn't any better than the other line of bias.

[happiholic★]

Originally Posted by primavera♥

There's different reasons as to why the situation didn't work with mannie. Some interview in some mag exists where she was talking about all thatt divorce stuff and the pictures...ayu is not going to view it similarly with her dancers, especially when these pics aren't even as sensual, and she said she'd like them (truth or not?) and also this time, it was more about betrayal and images being released when they shouldn't have been and etc. Trust is a complex thing, I doubt they would naturally distrust him, not after the mannie thing, because it's not the same. And leslie's been around for a while and has done other things. People don't have to drop someone out of their lives after doing one thing wrong anyway, especially when it's more complicated than right or wrong but really about other things. A situation like this would be more so when to lose trust. Ayu's dancers just did what they wanted and so did leslie, and now ayu is involved and has to deal with it.

You seem to be on the biased track though where only if the story is awful and shows badly on ayu and dancers will it be true. Which isn't any better than the other line of bias.

Ugh, that line is coming back to bite me in the ass again. Honestly, I'm not mad or offended. Not at Ayu, not at her dancers. I'm just not surprised that the photos came out. I am not out to prove Ayu as some sort of lie-telling demon, I'm just skeptical. I do consider her one of my most favorite artists.

[mi|kshake]

Sorry, but imo, regardless if Mannie decided to sell his photobook with signed copies, her dancers should have still been more wary about doing the exact same thing since it obviously didn't end well the last time. Additionally, I do recall that Leslie was selling Super Mannie himself in the gay district. So, obviously he has no issues selling things that are supposed to be a surprise. And the argument that Mannie did it first doesn't fly with me. I'm sorry, but to me its just common sense.

Totally agree!

If Ayumi didn't like the idea of Super Mannie...why would her dancers think that she would want a similar book of them?

[BlackSilence]

Originally Posted by ayu_fantasy

Haha! Sometimes I do wonder why do you wanna pose semi-nude for your colleague's birthday? Such a stupid idea IMO... And why the hell would someone wanna recieve a album of nude pictures of friends and colleagues? I wouldn't see that as a surprise, I will get freaked out or even have a nightmare... Lol.. People! Just imagine yourself receiving such a photobook ( nude photos of your colleagues, managers, supervisors, directors etc etc)... People who you see everyday and regarding formal issues ...

i don't think a phptobook was a bad idea, the way it was done was maybe the odd way, i mean what does it have to do with Ayu at all lol it's just a random photoshoot with excuse do to it... I mean Ayu many times have said that her staff/dancers is like a family to her, so it's not exactly people you just do the job with and that's where it ends. They enjoy hanging around, she attends the events they have just to support them. If you look at it as just a job bunch, then yes it would be extreamelly bizarre, but when you know the people close enough to call them a family, it's the whole different story.

[emi♡]

Originally Posted by happiholic★

Ugh, that line is coming back to bite me in the ass again. Honestly, I'm not mad or offended. Not at Ayu, not at her dancers. I'm just not surprised that the photos came out. I am not out to prove Ayu as some sort of lie-telling demon, I'm just skeptical. I do consider her one of my most favorite artists.

I don't think you're mad or anything, but I don't see the correlation with the Super Mannie book.

It was Mannie's gift. If he went to Leslie and was like "Let's sell this to further my career" It's not some sort of betrayal on Leslie's part. Or if Leslie says "Maybe we can sell this" and everyone agrees. The whole fact that it was supposed to be private is sort of irrelevant as far as that goes. That's Mannie's fault for not communicating to Ayu his true intentions, and even, who he is as a person and what he wants in life.


Also. I think some of you are projecting how you personally feel about Leslie's photography onto Ayu. Did she ever actually SAY that she didn't like the CONTENT of the photos? Did she ever say that she didn't like seeing Mannie in that particular way?

Did she ever say that she doesn't like receiving photobooks?

I think it's possible that she won't like the gift, but I think it's perfectly possible that she does like that kind of gift, and would think it's sweet. I think it's just a little superficial to think that all of this drama is happening just because Ayu doesn't like seeing her dancers a certain way. She's not like that. Give her some credit.

She seemed most angry because her relationship with Leslie put her dancers in a position where they felt lied to. And I don't think that the Super Mannie issue was some sort of warning for them at all.



And just one more dollar of all my cents. Just because Leslie had an exhibition filled with photos of the same thing, doesn't mean that other pictures he took wouldn't fit in with it. Artists do that all the time when they're exploring a particular subject.

There could be part of the story missing, but if he specifically told them the pictures would be private, and then went on to put them in an exhibition, then it's kind of fucked up, even if he thought it was harmless.

[pimenta]

^ THIS. You pretty much expressed everything I'm thinking (much better than I tried to do before)

[VegetaLove]

I'm a bit wary asking this, but the original link with the photo or photos in question seem to be gone, is there another place to view?

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by VegetaLove

I'm a bit wary asking this, but the original link with the photo or photos in question seem to be gone, is there another place to view?

Don't worry, there's nothing out of this world about them...


And Peco doesn't belong to Ayu's troupe anymore, even if they most likely still are friends... Maybe he just aproached her on a whole different context. She wouldn't need to go all hidden take her photos as she most likely doesn't see Ayu as often as her dancers...

[ExodusUK]

Ayu already said the photos were something they could have laughed about in private together. The problem Ayu has is not about the subject matter of the photos but the betrayal by Leslie who tricked the dancers into posing for photos letting them believe that they'd just be private and for Ayu.

[emi♡]

omg. I want to be the person who just flips the fabric in every shot.


I actually like the photos. I wish he hadn't been so skeevy about them.

[adantatu2]

Photobook with her dancers ??
C'mon she is ayu, she wants a Swarovsky Hello Kitty for her birthday.

LOL

[truehappiness]

Or Louboutins, haha.

[Didz-19]

Maybe she expressed her feeling about the photography face-to-face with leslie. She doesn't need to put it in her TA/twitter, that's why she didn't mention any name about the betrayal on her recent post. She could tell everyone who did it, but she's being professional about it. She probably forgive Leslie about the Mannie incident, and help bail him from prison.

[happiholic★]

Originally Posted by emi♡

I don't think you're mad or anything, but I don't see the correlation with the Super Mannie book.

It was Mannie's gift. If he went to Leslie and was like "Let's sell this to further my career" It's not some sort of betrayal on Leslie's part. Or if Leslie says "Maybe we can sell this" and everyone agrees. The whole fact that it was supposed to be private is sort of irrelevant as far as that goes. That's Mannie's fault for not communicating to Ayu his true intentions, and even, who he is as a person and what he wants in life.


Also. I think some of you are projecting how you personally feel about Leslie's photography onto Ayu. Did she ever actually SAY that she didn't like the CONTENT of the photos? Did she ever say that she didn't like seeing Mannie in that particular way?

Did she ever say that she doesn't like receiving photobooks?

I think it's possible that she won't like the gift, but I think it's perfectly possible that she does like that kind of gift, and would think it's sweet. I think it's just a little superficial to think that all of this drama is happening just because Ayu doesn't like seeing her dancers a certain way. She's not like that. Give her some credit.

She seemed most angry because her relationship with Leslie put her dancers in a position where they felt lied to. And I don't think that the Super Mannie issue was some sort of warning for them at all.

Well, if my memory serves, Ayu did say that she found the content of Super Mannie to be less than appealing. I, personally, don't see anything wrong with the photos of her dancers or any of Leslie's work, so that to me is irrelevant. I just don't think a photobook with Leslie was the best idea for a gift. Sorry, but we just don't feel the same.

[douggn]

Originally Posted by Mai82Go

Is it really weird? Maybe it is - if you believe that everything that Ayu writes in her entries is the whole true story. But maybe, just maybe it is only Ayu's truth, or even the truth that avex wants her to publish. Yes, I'm repeating myself here, but I don't think this story is as simple as evil Leslie Kee/ good Ayumi Hamasaki. The dancers may have another version of the story, and maybe Leslie himself sees things a bit differently, too.

This drama is so strange, I just want it to stop.

Peco is a bit different. She is no longer part of ayu's staff. She is a friend and if you look at her pictures, they are not bad for her to be released compared to ayus male dancers. Peco is off doing her own thing now. Its more about how Leslie released the photos when he told ayus dancers they would only be for ayus eyes

[ayu-michan]

This whole drama thing is such a big headache I also don't find any problems with the dancers being fully exposed like that, it's Leslie's betrayal as her friend that's a problem. She did say that it's something for them to laugh together, didn't she? They already took photos together while all naked and probably seen everything already so I'm assuming she doesn't mind that at all.

In conclusion, Leslie is the problem, that's all I have to say.

Man I used to kind of dislike Peco back then but now I somehow want her back. The chorus is turning into a mess now (not Princess ofc)

[maikaru]

Again, I don't believe for a moment Ayu has any problems with the content, or else she herself would not have done two (or is it three now?) nude photoshoots to date.

It's definitely the fact that she feels her dancers have been had.

And for Super Mannie, I think now she probably felt that it was really immature of him to want to sell something like that. Can you imagine opening up a book of your significant other to THOSE images? Like they're not even artistic and classy. It's just "sex-in-your-face." Ayu has always been more classy in the way she portrays sexuality, even with her nude shots.

[UHPlus]

Ayumi. Over-react. Drama. Ayumi. Over-react. Drama.

I think her upcoming single might be entitled "Betrayal ~to him~"

[emi♡]

I actually laughed at that.

But if she turns that song into a ballad I will buy a Leslie photobook.

[Pieces_of_SEVEN]

I can't read through 7 pages of this thread. Has anyone posted or translation the recent few TA entries? I think even one or two of them were written in English.