COUNTDOWN LIVE 2012-2013 A ~WAKE UP~ information thread

[TeamAyu2004]

Originally Posted by Chibi-Chan

Excuse me, but this is the whole point of it, also in Japan: to make women appear immature and naive.

you are completely ignoring everything that everyone else and myself have said.
IT'S NOT CONSIDER THAT.
they do it because its cute. it has nothing to do with making a woman stupid, which is what you are saying. Women act cute because they are stupid and this is not the case.
they act like that because its deemed cute.
Japan is just all about the cuteness.
Look at the men... if you asked the average american man (one that doesn't know anything about the culture) about japanese men looking cute,, they would say he was gay and that is not the case.

Also, look up the police mascot for japan


that is cute.
thats just one example of the cuteness in the culture. Look up the video of the male politician doing the dance from the AKB song.. this is a culture that loves being cute.
its the same with men/women/boys/girls/older people.
there is no hidden agenda to bring women down, its in the culture.

[Max_ZZZ]

LOL honestly... whether we like it or not ayu will be wearing pink frilly dresses and pink frilly wigs until her boobs sag down past her knees. i don't like it either but i've accepted it, whether it's cultural or not.
at least she's not being madonna and flashing her vajayjay everywhere (no hate i'm just saying)

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004

you are completely ignoring everything that everyone else and myself have said.
IT'S NOT CONSIDER THAT.
they do it because its cute. it has nothing to do with making a woman stupid, which is what you are saying. Women act cute because they are stupid and this is not the case.
they act like that because its deemed cute.
Japan is just all about the cuteness.
Look at the men... if you asked the average american man (one that doesn't know anything about the culture) about japanese men looking cute,, they would say he was gay and that is not the case.

Also, look up the police mascot for japan


that is cute.
thats just one example of the cuteness in the culture. Look up the video of the male politician doing the dance from the AKB song.. this is a culture that loves being cute.
its the same with men/women/boys/girls/older people.
there is no hidden agenda to bring women down, its in the culture.

You have way too much reading problems, damn!

Chibi-chan is not saying japanese women act cute because they are stupid or immature, she never said it. Chibi-chan is saying japanese women act cute to look stupid and immature. And they do that because men find it sexy. And japanese men find it sexy because it puts girls on a submissive position.

And this is far from being something exclusive to japanese culture or to the East... Britney Spears' peak was 100% based on the fetish of being a submissive school girl, and a lot of famous celebrities and sex-symbols like Marylin Monroe, 90s Mariah Carey, Taylor Swift, Katy Perry, Miley Cyrus (and all the other Disney princesses) Carly Rae Japsen, etc, etc, etc use a innocente/childish/cute image to appeal to the public as submissive girls.

But I don't really think Ayu is strong enough to fight this all by heself, and I believe she perverts this idea a lot, so, I like it when she uses it most of the times.

[douggn]

once again something new, and the fighting begins again

[douggn]

Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004

you are completely ignoring everything that everyone else and myself have said.
IT'S NOT CONSIDER THAT.
they do it because its cute. it has nothing to do with making a woman stupid, which is what you are saying. Women act cute because they are stupid and this is not the case.
they act like that because its deemed cute.
Japan is just all about the cuteness.
Look at the men... if you asked the average american man (one that doesn't know anything about the culture) about japanese men looking cute,, they would say he was gay and that is not the case.

Also, look up the police mascot for japan


that is cute.
thats just one example of the cuteness in the culture. Look up the video of the male politician doing the dance from the AKB song.. this is a culture that loves being cute.
its the same with men/women/boys/girls/older people.
there is no hidden agenda to bring women down, its in the culture.

I slightly agree. If ayu is the only thing you like from Japan then you wont understand the culture. It prude to judge how a nation of people act in society from the eyes of another, yet alone just because its seen as different in a western view

[AyUmIXx]

^ ikr! LOL
what matter is, Japanese fans LOVE the cuteness and she'll keep doing it.

[Jawdarna]

I think everybody needs to go read the lyrics to my name's WOMEN.

Ayu specifically states that she still enjoys 'pretty things'. But, she feels the need to defend this as men believe that this image is a reflection of a personality. When it isn't.

Basically, she's saying that women should own this. This is OUR thing. We shouldn't have to abandon it to gain respect. If we want to look pretty or cute, we can. It shouldn't have that submissive or innocent label attached to it because it is simply not true.

This is where Chibi-Chan is also correct. Ayu basically addresses this issue in the song; women ARE shown as being light-headed, immature, and childish, and this in turn, is how men see them (in her opinion; of course not everyone is like this). And it is wrong. Ayu just thinks that we shouldn't have to give up the image that has created this illusion...

[douggn]

I also don't get why people don't get this as a bit of fun. Its not like she sport pink frilly dresses all the time and act like a teen. Its a concert, its suppose to be fun. and 34 isn't too old. If she was Madonnas age wearing that, that would be a bit creapy, but shes just having fun and I think it looks cute.

[FoxyPinkGirl]

ironically enough, currently westerners are much more drawn to the Japanese culture because of the cuteness and their unique style and technology wise. And Japan's style is so unique and different, people find it fascinating.

I personally like Ayu's cuteness. For one thing, she's a positive influence and sends good and empowering messages and not a sleazy bad girl influence (like a lot if artists and actresses here in America). Plus I like her personal fashion style, I dress like that.

[RealLight]

Loving the discussion...

[Jennie Mae]

Basically anyone who is concerned about Ayu wearing a pink frilly dress on stage should Google the word 'costume'

[Earth_maiden]

in the arena, when ayu first appreared wearing her pink dress, the screams were probably the loudest after the curtain went up for the first time. the japanese love the cutesy-ness, and walking through different prefectures in japan, you can see that it will always be something that they will love. whether you agree with it or not, you can't deny or change it.

[ayujarl]

I LOVE AYU BEING CUTE
and blow kiss always works~

[zellyx]

yay!! good setlist, aaand UNTIL THAT DAY wooooh!!

[maikaru]

You guys, why do you even bother?

It's like you're talking to a wall... Save your energy typing out long responses to that one...
And it's seriously making everyone into a bad mood... let's have fun talking about the Countdown Live!
Just block him like I have.

I'm gonna to be there tonight with my friends~ I'm exciting about it!
First Countdown Live since I returned home... can't wait.

Im really surprised she chose Rule... I can't wait to hear it live finally!

[ayu-butterfly]

I think being cute is a part of who Ayu is and it's part of her culture, makes her who she is. Sometimes it's a little annoying, but most of the time I think it's really sweet. Loved the outfits, love the long hair, she looks great.

Btw, I was told Fuji TV will air the CDL live tomorrow. Is that true? Also, if it's not, do you guys have any link that will air it live? Thanks!

[jyujiw]

I think we need to make a party all together. It would be pretty interesting. I would love to see that.

Anyway, I can totally see all the CDLs being done in the circular arena, I think it's more attractive and intimate, it fits very well with the proposal of it.
I think they can handle many good ideas using this format.

[TeamAyu2004]

wowow is airing it on the 2nd...
thats the only one that has been announced I do believe.

[FoxyPinkGirl]

I wonder if tonights performancr be a noticeably different from the first and second night? Wish it was being Ustreamed.

[SURREAL__RAINBOW]

Spending the very last moments of this year with ayu!!!!!!! So bloody excited!!!!!