[Charts+sales] A BEST 2 -- THREAD II - Page 15

ayu_fan929 · #**281** 28th March 2007, 09:55 PM

Wasn't the reason she stayed was because of A BEST's sales?

Sim' · #**282** 28th March 2007, 10:37 PM

I don't think Ayu had even thought of quitting Avex.

The think is, she just thought Avex would fire here after the BEST, since for her, a BEST-OF is like an end of a carreer, another way to say "Thank you Ayumi for your work over these years, we'll release an album to keep you in people's mind. good bye now"

Still it's my personal view, from what I understood in the NTV Special 2004's reportage and other articles. Ayumi wasn't planning to quite Avex, she just thought they would quite her, and so she was that angry-strict face during A BEST era~
[Crying in the DOME TOUR 2001 preparation, nagging on a magazine-shoot staff because they take a lot of time, the A BEST cover, ect...]

Peger · #**283** 28th March 2007, 11:21 PM

I don't see avex dropping Ayu pre A BEST, given she was incredibly popular back then. I think she wanted to quit because avex was forcing her to release things she didn't want to release (NEVER EVER, A BEST). She probrably stayed because she loves making music.

I also don't think Ayumi will be top dog of '07, not after these sales. Then again, all it takes is a few popular songs to regain popularity, which i think she can deliver.

Impracticable · #**284** 28th March 2007, 11:39 PM

hmm ... not really that big a difference 6 months or so? And, to top it off, A BESt was released at the VERY END of March. I had read this is a few articles. I'm not saying its true, im jsut saying its what I believe.

+Why would they fire her when her album before A BEST [Duty] sold nearly 3 million copies? They would be losing tons of future income. They aren't stupid, you know.

I have also read NEVER EVER was also a forced release.

Also, she stated once that [In a TIME magazine interview] That before 9/11, she sang to save herself. Afterwards, She sang for other reasons. Wolrd peace, life lessons, among others. This is also the reason behind the cover of I am ... . She originally had a cover for it already, but changed her mind after 9/11. The cover is ... [Fuzzy Quote by Ayumi] "Representing a peace muse, clad only in vines, in a desert with a white dove on her shoulder, symbolizing love". We all (should/better) know that 9/11 had probably the most dramatic effect on her career and music more than anything. She stated so. "I remember seeing the pictures of the planes crashing into the world trade center over and over again ... It was terrifying."

I read that once her tour was over, since she couldnt just stop it, she would quit avex, and that UNITE! was actually supposed to be last single. Then 9/11 happened. She came back with the single "Dearest" Shortly after 9/11. In that time ~ for Ayumi ~ The wait from UNITE until Dearest was quite long. nearly 2 and a half months. Early July to late September. Then came 'A Song is Born'. That was her charity single for 9/11.

Really. 9/11 kept her career going, not A BEST's sales. It was Ayumi's decision to quit in the first place, not avex's decision to fire her.

Everything points to my theory. Yours dosen't even make sense. Her sales were phenominal. They wouldn't have even considered firing her.

Ayumiko · #**285** 28th March 2007, 11:52 PM

I heard in the past that avex was gonna drop ayu after A BEST but because of the sales, they kept her. I never believed that seeing how well the first 3 albums sold and the numbers kept getting higher.

Peger · #**286** 28th March 2007, 11:52 PM

I dunno, i just don't buy that theory. I don't see why an event halfway around the world would affect Ayu' decision that much. I think she kept going because she loves making music, and she realized she didn't want to give that up.

Impracticable · #**287** 29th March 2007, 12:54 AM

Well, she hassaid herself.

9/11 had a HUGE impact on her

Kashoku · #**288** 29th March 2007, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Peger

I dunno, i just don't buy that theory. I don't see why an event halfway around the world would affect Ayu' decision that much. I think she kept going because she loves making music, and she realized she didn't want to give that up.

Ayu's career esentially began in New York City. Why the hell WOULDN'T it effect her??

Impracticable · #**289** 29th March 2007, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Kashoku

Ayu's career esentially began in New York City. Why the hell WOULDN'T it effect her??

Agreed. We all know how much she loves New York City.

I mean, hey, "It's not all hierachiel [baddddd spelling] and rule bound like Tokyo"

Peger · #**290** 29th March 2007, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Kashoku

Ayu's career esentially began in New York City. Why the hell WOULDN'T it effect her??

Ayu just spent a few months training there. While she may love the city, she's been there just a few times in her entire life. I'm sure she was shocked by 9/11, but i doubt it had enough impact on her to change the course of her life. I live in New York, and it hasn't changed my life in such a radical way; 9/11 hasn't had the effect you claim it had on Ayu for anyone but those who survived it or lost loved ones that day. No matter how much she loved New York, it's a stretch saying 9/11 would change her the way you seem to think it did.

Sim' · #**291** 29th March 2007, 01:36 AM

Euuh... 9/11 ?? O.o

That theory doesn't work for me personally, sorry =__=U
She would have waited 'till September to convince herself to continue her career with Avex ?
Too long for me, she could just have the courage to continue durind the DOME TOUR 2001, did you see her wish to continue after the incident, how she came back from hospital while she could have deleting all the Dome ?
It's for her staff, for her fans, for Avex and for everyone she know that she continued the DOME TOUR 2001 from the Fukuoka's Dome, and finally... It was for her that she came back, I think it was the moment of the evolution from the "OMG they'll fire me, so I'm crying during the DOME, and I'm nagging to the staff" to the "Hey! I'm back, and I'll do my best, please support me"

So my theory would be :
+ While annoncing she'll release a BEST album, Ayu thought Avex would fire her, because in her mind, a BEST Album is a sign of the end of a career, sorta of "Good bye, and thanks for all this music during 3 years" - which wasn't the case from Avex.
It was just her imagination, the way they were pushing her releasing singles & Best, it's like she'll sing for the last time, she said that during the 2004 NTV report :
-"Why all this promotion for the A BEST"
-"Because I couldn't know if I'll sing again tomorrow"
It's not like if it's her who decided to leave =)
Ans so, nagging and crying, everytime looking angry to the staff, complaining, recording A song for XX for A BEST, ect...

+ During the DOME TOUR 2001, she had a perfect opportunity if she wanted to leave Avex, because the losts would be huge if she cancelled the Dome.
We were seeing an Ayu crying and leaving the scene, but then, after the incident, she comes back happy and smily, I think she found the courage to continue during this incident, first for her staff and her fans, but then, she found it was really... for her, what she's doing =D

Yay, my own theory, just personal of course =)

PS : Why New York ? She could have left the dome in Fukuoka, her native city, it would make more sens I think if we think like that hihi =p

Kashoku · #**292** 29th March 2007, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Peger

Ayu just spent a few months training there. While she may love the city, she's been there just a few times in her entire life. I'm sure she was shocked by 9/11, but i doubt it had enough impact on her to change the course of her life. I live in New York, and it hasn't changed my life in such a radical way; 9/11 hasn't had the effect you claim it had on Ayu for anyone but those who survived it or lost loved ones that day. No matter how much she loved New York, it's a stretch saying 9/11 would change her the way you seem to think it did.

She spent 2 years there. I'm not saying 9/11 is the reason. I'm just saying, I'm sure it has a special place in her heart.

Impracticable · #**293** 29th March 2007, 02:17 AM

Yeah. I'm pretty sure ts her favorite place of all time, by the way she talks about it. She sure dosen't talk about Tokyo that way, OR even Fukuoka.

Anyway, We know Ayu sn't crazy which is my disproof to your theory ~~
Anybody inb their right mind would know they would keep her. I, personally, think my theory fits perfectly. I have yet to find ANY flaws in it.

Peger · #**294** 29th March 2007, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Impracticable

Yeah. I'm pretty sure ts her favorite place of all time, by the way she talks about it. She sure dosen't talk about Tokyo that way, OR even Fukuoka.

Anyway, We know Ayu sn't crazy which is my disproof to your theory ~~
Anybody inb their right mind would know they would keep her. I, personally, think my theory fits perfectly. I have yet to find ANY flaws in it.

You don't find the fact that she spent half a year touring, writing material, and had a new album in the works between A BEST and 9/11 a flaw?

Impracticable · #**295** 29th March 2007, 02:41 AM

no? that dosent even seem relevant in the least.
As i said, She would have her career go on after A BEST, but only until all her things scheduled were over.

Peger · #**296** 29th March 2007, 02:55 AM

I don't understand how that is irrelevant. The question is whether 9/11 convinced Ayu to continue her career after releasing A BEST, yet she was touring and making a new album in the six months between the two dates. If she was going to quit after A BEST she would have done so, not release some more singles, go on a big tour, and write material for a new full studio album. 9/11 happened too late to affect her desicion.

Impracticable · #**297** 29th March 2007, 03:12 AM

She was already touring. I already explained ALL of this. learn to read a post, jackass.
For the sake of not straining your moronic 8 year old mind; i will restate:

1. The tour was already planned. She just cant not do it. I went over this, like twice or three times already.
2. How do you know she had a full album planned? She could have easily released a mini-album with the material she already had and called it quits.
3. She really only released singles until the end of her tour. Then Stopped. Then 9/11 happened. and then, oh my god? a new single?!
4. How the HELL do oyu know she was writing material? where you there with her? or you her? are you god? do oyu know everything? i think not.

Peger · #**298** 29th March 2007, 03:21 AM

I'm not going to debate you on your point if you aren't going to be civil. If you really want to believe Ayu decided to keep making music because of 9/11, you can do so, i simply think it's far fetched. Please be more respectful in the future.

Impracticable · #**299** 29th March 2007, 03:27 AM

Well, i would have been fine with you if you didnt ask questions I had already answers, let alone answers that were directed towards you the first time. Now, I honestly don't post here to much, and right now i'm extra drugged up on pills, so im not sure what point im getting to with this post.

voltron · #**300** 29th March 2007, 04:28 AM

She's actually said in interviews that she wanted to quit AVEX, NOT the other way around. At that time she was having a hard time coming to terms with Ayu the product vs. Ayu the person, or something like that. This next part I'm not sure about, but I think the turnout of Dome Tour helped convince her to stay, because of all the love she got from her fans.

And about Misono--she was also part of the group Day After Tomorrow, and they had ok sales. The point is, AVEX has a few really big acts, and tons of well-known ones that don't sell that much. Ayu was going to take a good portion of their livlihood away with her.