How messy was the divorce?

[happiholic★]

Originally Posted by Zahara

For me, divorce is something private. I know a few people in relationships that tell the world everything, but when it comes to divorce, all the talk stops. In Together When...she didn't use a picture of her ex, it was insinuated. I think that makes the difference to me, and it's less tacky than using a picture with his exact image. I would have liked Return Road a lot more if it was insinuated that it was about Mannie instead of blantley showing. The really makes a difference for me.

I agree. Even if Mannie was used as an actor in other PVs, it doesn't really justify what she did in RR, to me. And I'm sure if Mannie himself saw it he'd feel the same way, because I'm sure he is still sore from the divorce. I dunno, the whole marriage to me is just... baffling.

[tetsuo69]

Originally Posted by happiholic★

I agree. Even if Mannie was used as an actor in other PVs, it doesn't really justify what she did in RR, to me. And I'm sure if Mannie himself saw it he'd feel the same way, because I'm sure he is still sore from the divorce. I dunno, the whole marriage to me is just... baffling.

i would like to understand what so wrong about using a picture from one of the pvs he was in? if the picture was private i would understand it but if i'm not wrong it was use on one of the pvs he was on. whats so wrong about using something he has no right to cuz he got paid for it already when they shot the pv.

to me she needs to take a break, last two albums have been garbage in my opinion. five and party queen should had never happen but thats just my opinion.

[AyuBlackwind]

Well. Return Road PV isn't great to me either, just really depressing. It shouts, "My marriage went up in smoke just like these nuclear reactors." That's as far as I'm gonna analyze it.

[jewelbox]

^ yes it was in the Lovesongs PVs,but the only thing whats tacky is that she used that photo after her divorce, when the dust hasn't even landed yet.
If Mannie had used that photo in somewhere people wouldn't be so understanding.

[relmy]

Originally Posted by Cardboard box

If Mannie had used that photo in somewhere people wouldn't be so understanding.

This is my issue with RR, and well, the whole issue here really.

And, what if Ayu posted the psycho image? People would probably be like "you go girl, dropping him! I always knew he was weird" and so on.

Also, about RR, by linking it to Love Songs in the photograph, which was when their relationship was still professional, it makes it all seem so... trivial? I don't know the right word.

[jbrat2219]

Is it possible she asked his permission to use the picture in the PV? I haven't seen it but I'm sure it could have been easily edited out if he had a problem with it.

[happiholic★]

Originally Posted by jbrat2219

Is it possible she asked his permission to use the picture in the PV? I haven't seen it but I'm sure it could have been easily edited out if he had a problem with it.

Honestly, if Mannie did have a problem with it, I don't think that it would be edited out.

[panda♥]

^unless because the picture was so burnt up and almost unidentifiable (atleast to someone who isn't a hardcore Ayu fan) it didn't need his permission. :/

[mi|kshake]

OMG what a reply lol! I find this sort of thing on FB highly entertaining and also cringey But I enjoyed reading it anyway! Good on Mannie for not responding.

mi|kshake~

[Chibi-Chan]

Kris Rocka: @ Dahye and @김준수, And IF this post was directed to his late wife Ayumi, LMFAO.

She's a little spoiled brat ***** acting like a little girl when things don't go her way, she moved back to Japan versus staying in America because nobody and I LITERALLY MEAN NOBODY knows her here, who gives a **** if she's one of the biggest pop stars in Asia, her attitude towards my friend shows you that people who don't APPRECIATE their success act like *******s, she didn't get any SPECIAL treatment while in LOS ANGELES, she stayed only in her hotel room, ordered room service and cried like a little girl when things didn't go her way, she got treated like any other Asian in LOS ANGELES who does not even know how to follow the traffic laws here.

ALL OF YOU *******S LEAVE MY REAL FRIEND ALONE AND UN-FRIEND HIM FROM YOU FACEBOOK YOU ****ING RETARDS, THIS IS A VIRTUAL FRIEND BASED SOCIAL NETWORK AND A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO CONNECT WITH LONG LOST REAL FRIENDS. SO STOP PRETENDING THAT YOUR HIS REAL FRIEND, THIS IS NOT A PLACE TO BASH A MAN FOR HIS DECISION ABOUT A POST OF A FUNNY PICTURE, SO **** OFF AND UN-FRIEND HIM IF YOU DON'T LIKE HIS OPINION.

Manny this is my second opinion after sleeping on it, and you know I ALWAYS VOICE my opinion, If you feel that my words are out of line, next time you see me you can punch me in the face and I will not fight back and I will apologize, you also can un-friend me as well on Facebook if you want. I know that were REAL friends and you'll forgive me and that well go out for drinks after we have a disagreement and still be GREAT FRIENDS. This proves that we appreciate each other's friendship, we work through the ******** and realize that TRUE friends are there for each other through the THICK and THIN.

Love ya buddy.

To be honest I love this post. I have no idea how Ayu acts in real life and what really happened between Mannie and her, so I have no right to judge any reactions towards the marriage/divorce.
But for me this post perfectly shows what friendship should be. It's just a friend of Mannie here who defended him against some crazy psycho stans. And he most likely knows Mannies feelings and had seen how he got hurt. Especially the last paragraph really made me smile. Defending your friend although you know that he might not like the way you are defending him, 'cos you are saying something bad about the person he loved and telling him he would be free to punsh you in the face and you wouldn't fight back but apologize - you can't be a better friend.
Furthermore I think that the reaction of Kris Rocka shows, that Mannie got hurt because he really loved Ayu. Although we would like our relationships to end without anything bad and we would like to stay friends - sadly that's not how life works, especially not if you really loved someone and that person hurt you.
No one of us has the right to judge a relationship and how it ended nor the reactions without being in anyway involved personally. We have no idea how Ayu behaved towards Mannie or how Mannie behaved towards Ayu. Of course their is most of the time this one way you should, espesially in public, act towards someone to be morally right. But we are all only human and we all have a point were our limits are exceeded so there are moments we don't care anymore. And sometimes you feel you or a friend got hurt so much that you don't have to be nice anymore. In the end we shouldn't judge relationships we weren't in or without being friends with at least one of the partners.

[ayumisrael]

Why must they had a problem besides the fact that they didn't want to move to the other's country thus they couldn't be/live together and such marriage are meaningless?

If ayu would have any problem with Mannie, I seriously don't think she would like to put him in her work (Return Road's PV pic).

[SURREAL__RAINBOW]

Both sides are wrong? lol wtf seriously

I would say no side is wrong, we know nothing honey, at all

[AyUmIXx]

^thank you~~

[(miss)understood]

What a douchebag.

Edit: I say this because I never liked mannie. not because i think he's wrong for posting such a thing. It's his facebook.

I seriously think they are both still hurt by the divorce. And I think this is because neither of them really wanted to do it. Making me think one or the other (or both) did something that hurt the other's feelings, either by accident, or a misunderstanding.

Seriously, most relationships (marriages) need counseling, it's incredibly easy to become upset by someone you value, and even harder to reconcile when you're hurt by them.

[jbrat2219]

^ Why do you think he's a douche bag? What did he do?

[ownsarai]

Originally Posted by jbrat2219

^ Why do you think he's a douche bag? What did he do?

I'm sure that person thinks he's a douche bag just based off of his looks or whatever, because honestly none of us know him personally, so I don't know how anyone can comment towards him like that.

[emi♡]

a lot of other people apparently get "bad vibes" from looking at him

man. People.

[microphone]

That is interesting Chibi-Chan, because I would be embarrassed. It's nice that Mannie's friend has such a vigorous spirit in defending him but he really could have handled himself better.

I'm still sympathetic for Mannie. That's not to say I condemn Ayu, however.

@ownsarai
With that logic, you can't make judgements on any celebrity or public figure no matter how clumsy they behave in public.
Instead trying to read his mind, why don't you let him clarify his statement?

Originally Posted by microphone

That is interesting Chibi-Chan, because I would be embarrassed. It's nice that Mannie's friend has such a vigorous spirit in defending him but he really could have handled himself better.

I'm still sympathetic for Mannie. That's not to say I condemn Ayu, however.

@ownsarai
With that logic, you can't make judgements on any celebrity or public figure no matter how clumsy they behave in public.
Instead trying to read his mind, why don't you let him clarify his statement?

Yes. Nobody should do that.

[emi♡]

And even if Mannie did clarify his statement and said that it wasn't about Ayu...would people even believe him?