[Charts & Rankings] The Official Oricon Thread of Sunrise/Sunset ～LOVE is ALL～ -starting over-

[MissElin_]

For me I would like a ballad for the autum for the A-side but also something more weird on the B-side. Maybe something like alterna or Ladies Night or maybe some more rock-ish single. Would be fun to see her experiment some more.

(But yes of course, I would LOVE to hear CREA again, ballad, pop, rock doesnt matter. ^^ )

[Tony G]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

^ Sorry, for the same reasons someone else posted.(I didn't read the whole thread) Next to no promotion for Rule + album release already announced + Sunrise is a song Japanese are more likely to get into + its a summer song = it shouldn't be such a big struggle for it to even match the sales of Rule.

You seem to forget that people buy singles on the quality of what's on them as well, not just on promotion. If promotion was the only thing that mattered in the music industry, life would be a lot easier for a lot of artists. My point is, Rule/Sparkle is one of the best singles she's ever released, in my opinion. Both those songs are top notch and Sunrise/Sunset are just nowhere near as good or innovative.

And there was promotion for Rule/Sparkle, she had billboards, a video on music TV AND it was included in a hollywood movie. And what about the promotion you can't see? Newspapers etc.? For an artist like Ayu, it's not hard to find out what she's releasing something new. That's enough promotion to drive sales.

[tokyoxjapanxfan]

it's always interesting hearing non-japanese people's opinions on ayu's "best" music, because it usually goes towards her rockier songs and/or more "western" sounding songs, usually not including her ballads. While people in Japan think of ayu as a "ballad" queen more than anything. (though, my general image of ayu is "remix" hahahah, but not so much anymore )

If you ask Japanese people what songs they like by ayu, it's usually voyage, seasons, heaven, etc. The chances of people saying ourselves, because of you, rule, etc. are so low.

also, many people in japan think of ayu in terms of fall/winter music rather than summer.

These factors could play into the whole low sales thing.

but i just feel like it's not that great a single. therefore, people aren't buying it. just because it's a "summer" song doesn't mean it's good, you know?

[dreamland2.0]

^Thanks. That's interesting to know!

Originally Posted by njanjayrp

Yes we all thought it would outsell Rule/Sparkle, but it seems it won't. We didn't expect B&D/Pride to sell around 1/3 of HEAVEN, but it happened and we got used to her sales not reaching 300k Maybe this is the next step or maybe it's another talkin' 2 myself. It's too early to say.

People should stop turning her sales into a drama, especially since it was already proven that her popularity hasn't been on an increase since who knows when. I am not really sure what SunshineSlayer is trying to point out atm. From what has been posted it seems that the Japanese fans didn't receive the single that well, considering they are mostly the ones who are buying Ayu's physical releases I don't see whats the issue here. On another hand it seems that the casual listeners don't mind downloading it, which is a good thing. And it's quite obvious B'z is doing really well even now.

Thank you for this smart post!

I guess I just don't really care if other people like the single. I still like it, so I still bought it! I guess that's all I can do!

[jbrat2219]

Originally Posted by tokyoxjapanxfan

it's always interesting hearing non-japanese people's opinions on ayu's "best" music, because it usually goes towards her rockier songs and/or more "western" sounding songs, usually not including her ballads. While people in Japan think of ayu as a "ballad" queen more than anything. (though, my general image of ayu is "remix" hahahah, but not so much anymore )

If you ask Japanese people what songs they like by ayu, it's usually voyage, seasons, heaven, etc. The chances of people saying ourselves, because of you, rule, etc. are so low.

also, many people in japan think of ayu in terms of fall/winter music rather than summer.

These factors could play into the whole low sales thing.

but i just feel like it's not that great a single. therefore, people aren't buying it. just because it's a "summer" song doesn't mean it's good, you know?

Most of my Japanese friends LOVE M... Her ballads thrive there :O

[Evolution7/4]

Originally Posted by jbrat2219

^ I'm glad it wasn't a single! If JEWEL came out as a single it would have given people further reason to complain about Secret! Which I feel was a great album. I'd like to see Ayu experiment with music again! NEXT LEVEL spoiled me... Yeah everyone was buttsore about it at first, but you gotta admit, it at least was different, out there and something she hasn't done before (to that extent).

Amen! I was starting to think I was the only person in the world who not only liked that album but thought it was one of Ayus best. Now if only we could get an experimental ballad like forgiveness...

[octolina]

Originally Posted by bluegie

Here's the current sales rite now:

1 浜崎あゆみ -- 63762
2 モーニング娘。 -- 42011
3 B'z -- 40652

Practically it means B'z has to outsell ayu by ~23000 copies during the next 2 days, which I really doubt.
And even ayu sells 0 for the next two days, I doubt B'z can pull off 20000 on Sat and Sun..

thank god .. ^_^

[PEARL]

weekends! sale might increase?
japanese people like songs like Days.
maybe ayu should make another song like days xD

[AyumiBest]

Seeing that #2, I'm feeling a bit nervous.

[gothicayu]

thanks for those informations at least its number one no mather the number of sale

[Bigtop]

B'z's single released last week, so we shouldn't worry as long as Ayu is on top among the same-release-date artists...

[njanjayrp]

I don't think there is a chance of B'z getting a #1 this week and MoMoSu are out of the question as they actually dropped under Gackt who was selling 3k yesterday. There is no reason to be worried for her streak, she'll most likely sell at least 12-13 this weekend (total) which means the single will outsell talkin' 2 myself sooner or later, especially now that Ayu's releases seem to have an extended chart life, mostly due to the whole market's standards dropping. Hopefully another 100k+ single and let me remind you that Namie Amuro's WILD/Dr. didn't outsell Rule/Sparkle and considering that Namie is very popular in Japan it should've outsold it. Clearly there is a factor we're missing out on here

[krazeyo]

I think this is the first time ever in ages that Ayu has lost her number one daily position to something released a week before on oricon. Comparing songs..Dive beats Sunrise/Sunset though imo.

I think I'm one of the few people that agree with SunshineSlayer...this single should've blown Rule/Sparkle out of the water. There's quite a few reasons it should sell better too...Prepare for a long post!

Rule/Sparkle did get first press versions with a CD drawing (that some didn't like), but one extra version with different remixes shouldn't affect sales that much. Sunrise/Sunset's one remix is way better than all of Rule/Sparkle's remixes.

Rule/Sparkle had way better covers than Sunrise/Sunset.

Rule/Sparkle had 4 magazines, while Sunrise/Sunset has 3.

Rule/Sparkle was released a month before NL and didn't have the Sparkle PV on it. Ayu's upcoming album is probably next year and this single has two music videos. Why bother buying Rule/Sparkle when you can wait a month for Sparkle's music video.

Upbeat songs and ballad songs are better received in Japan than rock and experimental songs like Sparkle. Sparkle also had a massive difference in Ayu's typical lyrics (subjective as to good/bad for the single).

There was one performance of Rule (a month after) which was really promotion for the album and not the single. Sunrise/Sunset is going to have 6 TV performances. It also is being performed at a-nation along with Rule, but Rule/Sparkle is no longer charting. There's even Sunrise/Sunset smoothies!

Sunrise/Sunset has 4 tie-ins. Rule had the DB movie (Rule probably promoted the movie better than the other way around) and Sparkle had the Honda Spark commercial/Ayu cardboad stands/clearfiles. Technically Lumix hasn't been released yet, but there'll be commercials and Ayu stands in stores. Sunrise is on Dandy Daddy. There's the two online download sites for Sunrise/Sunset promotion. It's hard to tell which tie-ins do a better job though.

Sunrise/Sunset buyers get a free poster at mu-mo, and TA members get flip-flops. Rule/Sparkle got a memo pad, and maybe something else I'm forgetting. I'd prefer the sunrise/sunset prizes myself. There's also that mobile ayupan available for download that's modeled after Sunrise/Sunset.

Billboard promotion is probably similar between the two singles. No Shibuya 101 for you two!

There's reasons why Rule/Sparkle sold the way it did, but there's really no reason why Sunrise/Sunset is selling the way it is other than its ugly cover and lack of meaningful lyrics (which I don't think Rule/Sparkle had either). We get that Ayu's popularity is declining (I think SunshineSlayer understands that better than half the people on these forums), but a drop in sales, especially compared to Rule/Sparkle is disappointing. It's just that this single had higher expectations since there was way more hype in this single.

[hi-cko]

"Sunrise"/"Sunset" is her worst single and they are the first Ayu-songs I don't listen to. The only reason to me buying the single is the Mash-Up-Mix.

To me the sales are ok for this single, as everything about it is just so bad. The songs, the PVs etc. As many others already said before. It should just get number 1 for the streak and then disappear forever.

[SURREAL__RAINBOW]

Originally Posted by hi-cko

"Sunrise"/"Sunset" is her worst single and they are the first Ayu-songs I don't listen to. The only reason to me buying the single is the Mash-Up-Mix.

To me the sales are ok for this single, as everything about it is just so bad. The songs, the PVs etc. As many others already said before. It should just get number 1 for the streak and then disappear forever.

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[miskiq]

#2 again

*1　6,115　B'z
*2　5,606　浜崎あゆみ
*3　3,861　モーニング娘。

　　　　　　　　 浜崎　　モー娘　　 B'z　　 GACKT　 EXILE
――――――――――――――――────────
10（月）　　　---,---　---,---　**8,228　**2,498　**2,541
11（火）　　　*36,552　*23,301　***,***　*13,534　***,** *
12（水）　　　*12,873　*10,946　**8,980　***,***　***,** *
13（木）　　　**8,104　**4,784　**6,957　***,***　***,** *
14（金）　　　**6,233　***,***　**6,547　**3,506　***,** *
15（土）　　　**5,606　**3,861　**6,115　**3,506　***,** *
16（日）　　　
━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━
推定売上　 *69,368　*42,892　*36,827　*19,538　**2,541

[bluegie]

Originally Posted by jbrat2219

^ I'm glad it wasn't a single! If JEWEL came out as a single it would have given people further reason to complain about Secret! Which I feel was a great album. I'd like to see Ayu experiment with music again! NEXT LEVEL spoiled me... Yeah everyone was buttsore about it at first, but you gotta admit, it at least was different, out there and something she hasn't done before (to that extent).

what kinda complaint would people give to Secret?? I can't recall if there's a strong hatre when that album was released. To me Secret is a good album. Yeah it wasn't experimental, somehow it flows pretty well.

NEXT LEVEL.. well it really isn't something new off ayu's discography. For me it's sort of like LOVEppears, with some new twists. However, I'm quite glad that she jumps away from the rock/metal/whatever heavy music she has been doing for the past couple of years. The problem for NL is that ayu doesn't give a full force. She's like a bit of holding back while making this album. So it doesn't give me a super blast. In the end I still prefer this album over GUILTY.

[Ayumiko]

#2 again is ok since the drop was so little. She'll be getting weekly #1...so that's great.

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by miskiq

#2 again

*1　6,115　B'z
*2　5,606　浜崎あゆみ
*3　3,861　モーニング娘。

　　　　　　　　 浜崎　　モー娘　　 B'z　　 GACKT　 EXILE
――――――――――――――――────────
10（月）　　　---,---　---,---　**8,228　**2,498　**2,541
11（火）　　　*36,552　*23,301　***,***　*13,534　***,** *
12（水）　　　*12,873　*10,946　**8,980　***,***　***,** *
13（木）　　　**8,104　**4,784　**6,957　***,***　***,** *
14（金）　　　**6,233　***,***　**6,547　**3,506　***,** *
15（土）　　　**5,606　**3,861　**6,115　**3,506　***,** *
16（日）　　　
━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━
推定売上　 *69,368　*42,892　*36,827　*19,538　**2,541

Where did the weekend boosts go? Even if it sells 2k tomorrow it's beating talkin' 2 myself's first week sales ^_^

[bluegie]

Hmmn... I wonder about that as well.. but looking back I think the weekend boost has been fading for a year.. (please don't count MW's weekend abnormal sales cuz avex did something to boost up the sales). If you compare all artists' sales on Fri and Sat this week, most of them dun get a boost (except momosu, from 2900 to 3861).

Let's have a guess... back then when there was no digital downloads, I think weekends were the time when casual listeners buy singles. Nowadays some of those casual listeners prefer downloads, so the boost is getting away...?