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5th August 2010, 09:52 PM
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Most of Hikki biggest hits like First Love, Can you keep a secret?, Sakura DROPS and Flavor of Life had VERY strong tie-ins... so, yeah, Hikki's marketing team is VERY good =) Good enough to keep her in without really having her to promote stuff... Quote:
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5th August 2010, 10:35 PM
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I guess the time that utada released first love was new genre of music in japan it was like a classical and elegant version of gaga
like you know how gaga make a new sense of music those days utada was like that...
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6th August 2010, 12:14 AM
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But yeah good u agree on that part. Its the only thing I could really make of it XD 'tis just what I think about the song (and album). Nothing too positive... Last edited by primavera♥; 6th August 2010 at 12:17 AM.
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6th August 2010, 12:18 AM
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^Ok, right now I think I love u xD
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6th August 2010, 01:34 AM
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6th August 2010, 05:42 PM
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Could be a lot of reasons.
-She made the already existing R&B style into a popular style, more american sounding in Japanese. -She was pretty young and wrote a love song like First Love> ->First Love which got really well marketed using a popular drama that fitted to it, that way a lot of people could get to know it. -A lot of people in the process probably liked that she is young and writes and composes everything herself. -I don't know if it was known then but maybe also because she is the daughter if keiko utada (her mother) that was a famous singer in the 70s or 80s in japan. people got interested in utada the daughter. -Since Automatic she already got good tie-ins, it was a variety show's ending theme, Movin' on without you was in Nissan Terano car CM, that's probably how a lot of people started to discover her from. -Using First Love is the album title/theme was a smashing great tactic. She might be awesome but that's not a reason for a phenomenal success 
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6th August 2010, 08:18 PM
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That was her artistic name =)
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6th August 2010, 08:53 PM
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To sum up what ayumisrael has said:
Back then there were some R&B and hip-hop artists in Japanese market, but none of them could really fight into the mainstream market. (They produced most likely heavy R&B songs and Japanese people just could not get into it I think?) When hikki released Automatic, you can see it's a R&B-pop fusion and people were like "wow". Also, back then Toshiba used a strategy that worked really well to increase her popularity: hiding hikki. Hikki wasn't on any tv or radio show at all, and this create a stir in the public wondering who she really was (well they knew how she looked like since she was on her own pvs, but still they couldn't see her in shows). I remember that before First Love was released, the tv company has already signed a deal with Toshiba that a song would be a drama opening theme (which was First Love). When First Love released, everyone rushed to buy the album that it was sold out on the first two or three days (can't remember exactly). I think the initial press was about 2 million copies btw. Then the drama began and luckily it had a high ratings, which attracted lots of people to listen songs inside like First Love, Never let go (a song always played in the drama as well). This really boosted the sales. And I think hikki didn't really go on to any show until June (three months after album release). I think she attended MS that time, and if not beaten it's still the highest rating of the MS show ever. but.. Quote:
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I dun see why hikki's success if overshadowed by the tie ins and stuff, as every artist is doing the same thing. Also, I dun think it's fair to connect Mariah Carey with hikki, especially just for a song First Love. Yes Mariah Carey does release that type of songs for a decade or so, but in Japan it's rather new. Also, no matter what First Love is still a really good song, which captures lots of Japanese's hearts (and some of us as well ).
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#33
6th August 2010, 09:19 PM
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@bluegie
I don't connect Mariah to Hikki other than First Love era, but really, Mariah had the best selling english album of Japan until Exodus, so, yeah, IMO the song First Love sounding somewhat like Mariah's ballads has something to do with Hikki being popular... obviously not the only factor, but one of the many... And I don't think it's a bad thing at all having a good marketing team... FL isn't Japan's best selling album just cuz she is talented (what she IS) and cuz people loved her (what they DO), but also (and NOT only) cuz she was (and still is on Japan) very well promoted. Hikki's fans tend to forget she IS a pop star, she sells tons, she is markeatable, she has strong tie-ins, she releases easy to listen romantic generic ballads from times to times, she milked her fans with that cartoon cat I forgot the name... They tend to forget she wants to sell her music and does it very well and they like to live on a imaginary land where the only reason she sells is cuz she is talented... Sorry, but nops... as much talented she is (and considering she is my FAVORITE musician of all time, I consider her to be very talented), she and her staff also make use of good marketing and good timing... edit: and my big complain about her fans wasn't about u, Mr. bluegie, actually, I really like ur posts =)
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#34
7th August 2010, 12:25 AM
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. I like what you posts as well Andrenekoi haha.Somehow.. yes, I do agree she has generic ballads from time to time. (hmmn... is there any in DEEP RIVER? or UTRA BLUE. I actually dun find those love ballads that generic.. or maybe the arrangements make the songs not too generic for me). FOL is one of the best examples. I thought that song would not sell that much until a few days after the premiere. It was one of the lovely lovely Japanese ballads with hikki's voice in it. It is a great song, but not too hikki unique style (you know what I mean). I never knew it would be that successful. I think that one indeed was super boosted by the drama. I think if the drama wasn't there, the single might sell about 150 - 200K physically, while ~2 million digitally. It's kinda off topic but sometimes I wonder what would happen if ayu has a better drama tie ins. So far her songs connect to dramas with lower ratings. Back to the topic. Yeah... talent doesn't equal to selling. We can see lots of talent artists sinking into nowhere (Misia for example). Hikki's team (her dad's team? ) made a really good tactic in the beginning, and it's fortunate that hikki is beloved by the general public in Japan. It's a miracle that she can still sell quite a lot after that many years (well in Japan an artist's top peak is really short), as there aren't many artists capable of doing that. (OT: I think I can still count ayu is one of them. Even tho her physical sales are mainly from the hardcore fans. It's not that easy to maintain that standard after 10 years in the industry. And her digital sales are not too bad rite...? Someone said she's the third best selling artist in the digital last year.)
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#35
7th August 2010, 05:40 AM
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I agree a lot with what andrenekoi and ayumisrael and blugie said more or less.
And yes I think this applies to flavor of life. Like of all the singles. Really? Seriously? Lol. I think hikkis marketing ia fine but I think its good she's not always in the publics face. And has never released as many albums as say ayu. Like u can say she has as many "successful" japanese albums as ayu does. It just took her until 2008 to get there But also as someone mentioned its definitely not pure talent (although she's talented. the album was simple, generic and no example of it sadly). Just look at the music scene in japan, america, etc and many popular artists are usually not really the most talented But talent often finds its way out. Although its good I found hikkis later music or I wouldve ignored her like I eventually do most of jpop. I'm too picky and it took a lot for me to find some greatly talented artists XD But even if I don't love this album I'm happy it got hikki so popular so that she could go on to blossom with Deep River and grow with Ultra Blue and sort of settle with more simplicity with HS. Distance and exodus somewhere in between. TITO just a little mar. So no harm done at all 
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#36
7th August 2010, 06:06 AM
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I agree with the posters above me, lol. I can't speak for the album but personally, I always found First Love to be an absolute bore... she's had so SO much better material more deserving of "epic" status in imho.
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#37
7th August 2010, 06:42 AM
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All I can say is.. if First Love wasn't that success, there would be no hikki. Then again, there must be something about hikki that makes many people love her. I just dun think hiding from the public would continue the success.
Remember Mai Kuraki? She's the "clone" of hikki, as her company used the same tactic to sell her: 1) hiding her, 2) R&B pop, 3)quite talent (writing her own lyrics). She was a bit thing in 2000. I remember that I hated her so much because she technically copied hikki's moves, but I ended up liking her songs as well (R&B-pop, the popular type at that moment) (PS: I was a bit sad when Duty couldn't sell more than Delicious Way.. I thought Duty would break 2 million copies on the first week, but ended up selling around 1.68 (?) million copies..). Anywayz, Mai could not maintain her popularity and sank gradually (like... from yearly no. 1 album selling artist to selling less than a million copies for her second album. It was quite a drop). Her songs became too generic in the end. I guess that makes the difference between hikki and mai. Hikki did create a even more generic album after First Love (yeah.. I think Distance is her worst album even tho the singles are great). But then she began to seek for new direction and DR was the OMG album from her.
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#38
7th August 2010, 08:54 AM
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^Well, the woman for sure is talented... And the first album of any pop act will always sound a little generic cuz the artist didn't had the time to grow up... Hikki (and Ayu, and Namie) had a successful image, but she never limited herself to it (what seens to be common on jpop, more even than western music)... She didn't limit herself to be the "r&b dream girl", she tried new things, got good and bad responses and even now, she keeps changing her style not only to sell, but also in order to not getting stucked on a "Hikki Image" having a generic "Hikki music"...
From times to times she releases generic stuff in order to sell, but the good sales of those generic music pay her good creative music =) (and I believe it's the same with Namie and Ayu, the 3 lastest jpop female singers since Seiko Matsuka to become living legends)
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#39
8th August 2010, 01:43 PM
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I agree with everything blugie and andrenekoi posted.
 I don't understand what's wrong and what's the shame with having a good marketing? Sure it's nice to have a phenomenal success just by releasing music and do nothing else but those things never happen. blugie, actually I really like Distance, I see why you like it less though. xD and yes ayu was #3 yearly on recochoku and Days is the most legally downloaded PV of 2009 (full pv #2 chaku movie #1)! I actually think that if Sunrise ~LOVE is ALL~ had a better rating drama then it could be a smashing success. It had 530,000 downloads for the chaku uta and 250,000+for the full song and it was in a low rating drama! Had a good portion of the public would see it every week I think that it could bit a big big hit. And where is hikki now? I hope she will release something soon... we talk about her but she is on a long vacation. =P Last edited by ayumisrael; 8th August 2010 at 01:48 PM.
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8th August 2010, 04:03 PM
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Because people liked it? Because people bought it? Because it just did? Because it was released on the best possible moment?
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