HELP: New Anti-Piracy Law in Japan (2012)

[TeamAyu2004]

^ sadly yes.

But at least we can be civial about it! ^_^

[Chibi-Chan]

Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004

^^ I dont care how you justified illegal downloads... its still illegal and you are still stealing.

No, I'm not stealing. To steal means to take something from someone away so that he/she doesn't own it anymore. When I download music illegal I don't take any song away from the company. They still own the music.

Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004

And buy saying 'buying CD's supports the company and not the artist" is one of the weakest points ever.

You really think ayumi would be where she is today if she only sold 1000's of her albums because everyone was downloading it, instead of millions? No. The company invested into her and kept her around because people bought her albums.

I don't think it hurts the artists that much. 'Cos people don't just download music illegal from one artist. People download illegal stuff from EVERY artist. So there will always be artists who are popular at the moment and will have more sales than others but none of them will have a disadvantage compared to another artist. Because like I said, they are all affected by illegal downloads and the sales of an artist are always relative to the sales of other artists.

Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004

Sadly the only issue is that people want FREE things.
I dont think its unreasonable to ask for 1.29 or whatever it cost you for a download.
Or if you want to spend 40/50 bucks on that foreign album... foreign companies dont cater to anyone outside their country. And stealing their music because you cant afford to eat and buy everything that you want., well that's called being a GROWN UP. You have to make sacrifices and pick and choose what you can and can not have.
You can't have everything in life.

No, people don't want only FREE things. But 1,29 is unreasonable for just one song. I don't know how much money you have to spend just for fun things, but a lot of people can't afford this, myself included.
I'm working a lot, way more than my friends, but I always have less money to spend. My friends are just lucky to have wealthier parents than I. I guess that's life and normally I don't complain about that. But music takes a big part in most peoples lifes and I think we all have a right to have a social life. If I wouldn't download music illegal I wouldn't be able to participate in a lot of talks of my friends. Just because I had to decide to buy the album or to buy food or pay my rent. This has nothing to do with being a grown up or not.
More over listening to music is also very important for people seen from an individual and very personal perspective. Music is something that can make us happy, sad, relaxed, cheer us up and more. I guess that's the reason why most artists make music. And if you appreciate the music of an artist and you are buying it here and there within the limits of your financial resources there is nothing wrong with downloading illegal.
And like I said in my previous post, artists also have advantages from people not buying their music but still listening to their music. Most of Ayu's money comes from her tours, not from CD sales. Being able to sell out your tour is way more worth than selling a few more CDs. People quick lose interest in an artist if they don't listening to new material.

[KuuXAyu-fan]

Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004

I download all my TV shows because I dont have cable...
You dont have to worry about the american TV shows because the law doesnt effect them. Plus downloading and then deleting seems perfectly fine as well, because its all about intent.

Actually yes they do. I don't mean sound rude but your being a bit of a hypocrite here when you yourself download TV shows which are also copyright. Why should you be getting those shows for free while other millions of people pay to see them? It's exactly the same thing as downloading a CD for free and not paying for it.

[Zeke.]

Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004

I download all my TV shows because I dont have cable...
You dont have to worry about the american TV shows because the law doesnt effect them.

This is still illegal in the U.S. - I have received notice from my cable provider because Disney sent them my IP address after I downloaded an episode of an ABC original TV series that had just aired that week (not yet available on DVD and even available to watch on Hulu for free).

[TeamAyu2004]

Chibi-Chan, again, I don't care how you think you justify it, it's still stealing.

Originally Posted by KuuXAyu-fan

Actually yes they do. I don't mean sound rude but your being a bit of a hypocrite here when you yourself download TV shows which are also copyright. Why should you be getting those shows for free while other millions of people pay to see them? It's exactly the same thing as downloading a CD for free and not paying for it.

If you even bothered to watch the video that I posted you will see that no it doesn't. I can assume if a TV show is broadcasted in japan by the japanese company they might make a claim, but otherwise, no. But something that was never broadcasted in Japan but someone downloads it in japan, then the JAPANESE law does not effect the American (what ever other country) product.
And television is different when it is available for free on the net. I dont know about your country, but basic cable is free, and most of the stations, ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX are on basic cable. So no, millions of people watch free television everyday.

Or at least it use to be free, they have recently switched to digital and I don't know about that since I havent had cable since 2008

Zeke, dont know what to tell you.
I have never gotten anything. I do all my downloading from official sites?
Maybe the lesson is not to pirate?

[Chibi-Chan]

Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004

Chibi-Chan, again, I don't care how you think you justify it, it's still stealing.

I thought that this is a discussion. But if you just don't care about my opinion I don't get why you answered to my first post instead of just ignoring it. Telling someone that you are not interested in his/her opinion but to state your own argument is just rude.

[TeamAyu2004]

^ your right. I should of phrased my response better.

THe reason why I said I dont care is because clearly, you dont think you are doing anything wrong.

I have already stated the facts on the subject and you just repeated yourself.
I dont feel like repeating myself over and over.

So i was just stating that I am done with.

[emi♡]

Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004

Chibi-Chan, again, I don't care how you think you justify it, it's still stealing.

Except that you probably should care because her justification was actually not too shabby.

And you didn't even address her claim in your earlier facts...so I don't know why you think you're repeating yourself...or why you think she's repeating herself.


You never dismissed her claim with better evidence...all you said was that you didn't care. That's...not very good discussion imo. It's actually the kind of things people say when they can't back up their point anymore.

And I'm sure you think you can, so...tbh I'm a little disappointed in this response...

but you know, whatever.

[TeamAyu2004]

^ lol. For being so blah about it you sure seemed invested.
If I wanted to I could, but I'm just tired of this discussion.

If you or chibi Chan were artists and were selling you paintings for 200.00 a piece and that's how you lived, how would you fill if someone bought that piece of artwork and decided to make prints and sale it for only 10.00.

It's the same principal. If chibi Chan wants me to discuss her points I will. But she wouldnt change her mind and I won't change mine .. I see it as stealing and thats something i jsut don't do.

[KuuXAyu-fan]

Originally Posted by TeamAyu2004

I see it as stealing and thats something i jsut don't do.

But you DO do it.

[emi♡]

I was blah about personally debating with you...

Doesn't mean I stopped following the discussion.

You don't have to change your mind. If you don't want to discuss, that's fine, whatever.

[Chibi-Chan]

Originally Posted by emi♡

Except that you probably should care because her justification was actually not too shabby.

And you didn't even address her claim in your earlier facts...so I don't know why you think you're repeating yourself...or why you think she's repeating herself.


You never dismissed her claim with better evidence...all you said was that you didn't care. That's...not very good discussion imo. It's actually the kind of things people say when they can't back up their point anymore.

And I'm sure you think you can, so...tbh I'm a little disappointed in this response...

but you know, whatever.

Thanks emi! Nice to see that someone actually read my posts. (^-^)

[ILoveGeniuses]

Originally Posted by hayasaki

Thank you so much for the video.

If this kind of law has been implemented so long ago, Japanese artist or even artists as a whole, will not be so famous in places you'd never imagine their names could reach. Its actually not that I feel like i'm entitled to FREE entertainment, but there are certainly times when I feel like it helped me, and perhaps other people, in some ways like deciding whether or not to spend money on online media. It has always been like that, but it suddenly felt different. As if I lost a part of my daily routine. LOL

I find it DRACONIAN because of its strictness. And I have nothing against it either.

I feel this way too on the whole downloading thing. If i don't know if i like it or not I simply say "Forget it". I'm not spending the money only to discover I'm not fond of it. Then have to sell it to someone else for like half the cost of which I paid for it. Plus, none of the Music Stores even here have listening stations anymore, so there's no way to pick it up and give it a listen in the stores for what we do get in music. I admit I DL, but if I do like it then I'll buy it. Another thing however to bother me is the possibility of them limiting what we can and can't import in terms of entertainment into my country. I really don't want them suddenly saying I can't buy my Asian music CDs and concert DVDs/Blurays online.

[harufi]

Originally Posted by hayasaki

Thank you so much for the video.

If this kind of law has been implemented so long ago, Japanese artist or even artists as a whole, will not be so famous in places you'd never imagine their names could reach. Its actually not that I feel like i'm entitled to FREE entertainment, but there are certainly times when I feel like it helped me, and perhaps other people, in some ways like deciding whether or not to spend money on online media. It has always been like that, but it suddenly felt different. As if I lost a part of my daily routine. LOL

I find it DRACONIAN because of its strictness. And I have nothing against it either.

Completely agree, if I can't test something first I won't buy it full stop.
If I hadn't been able to download a handful of songs from (miss)understood and GUILTY about 5 years ago, I wouldnt've heard of Ayu, and I wouldn'tve gone on to buy about 15 albums (remix+studio), 6 live DVDs, tour merch and posters from her. That's a heck of a lot of money I spent to say I illegally downloaded and "stole" something. You're welcome Avex!

[ILoveGeniuses]

^My feelings exactly!! I wouldnt have gotten into Namie Amuro & L'Arc~en~Ciel WAY WAY BACK in 1997 without the early internet, and now that things have advanced SOOOO MUCH since then there's even more for me to try out, which is what got me into Ayu, Kuu, BoA, Hikki and A TON of other singers/musicians. I always buy it as long as I like it. And I delete what I DL'd to begin with whether I like it or not after I've listened to it a couple times, and then replace it with my CD's once they arrive at my doorstep.