(miss)understood minus GEO?

[TeamAyu]

I personally WOULDN'T like it as much if the GEO songs were taken out. I think the GEO songs give this album a very different feel, which I like a lot. Plus my favorite tracks were the GEO ones: Bold & Delicious, Beautiful Day, Ladies Night, Pride, and rainy day!!!!

I wouldn't mind if they had taken out "criminal" though... I just can't really get into the song. It's listenable and all but still.

I think if they weren't covers everyone wouldn't be so fussy about the GEO songs. Get over it people. Haha

A dream come true...

[BanFan]

Think of it like this: mini album w/o GEO.
8 PVs. And imagine: better (good) covers!
And definetely a different booklet theme. .-.

[ImpactBreaker]

Some of the GEO songs are pretty good and they actually give more variety to the album. Ladies Night is one of the best newer ayu songs , plus it has one of the one of the coolest PVs.
And funny how some people in here thinks rainy day is one of the best newer ayu songs and also love Pride but when posting here they mention how muh it would have been better without GEO and how much they only listen to the non-GEO songs. I guess some people aren't that true when they state their opinions about songs in certain threads?
And well, it was not GEO who worked in the album covers and booklet so you can't assume without him (miss)understood would have had better covers. That doesn't make much sense in my opinion at all.
After all I'm glad ayu produced more songs for me to listen to. I got tired of Memorial address pretty fast because that album is extremely short.
I have to agree with teamAyu, it seems like people start to dislike GEO songs mostly because they're covers. I always thought liking or disliking a song was meant to be how much the songs attracts your listening, not a label that the song carries with themselves: "OMG it's a cover it has least replay value", absolute nonsense.


Now just imagine if, instead of the GEO songs they had put Startin' and Born to be... on (miss)understood? (I honestly prefer all of the GEO songs over those 2)

[BanFan]

Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker

Some of the GEO songs are pretty good and they actually give more variety to the album. Ladies Night is one of the best newer ayu songs , plus it has one of the one of the coolest PVs.
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And well, it was not GEO who worked in the album covers and booklet so you can't assume without him (miss)understood would have had better covers. That doesn't make much sense in my opinion at all.

Yeah, like I said, I really like the GEO songs, but they just don't fit in the album (well, I didn't say that second part yet) in my opinion. Good variety and all, but I don't know, they just seem a little out of place.
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And the thing about the booklet and cover is that Ayumi made both while making the Bold & Delicious/Pride PVs, so it's most likely she was getting that whole Western vibe when making them.

[~Matt~]

the only songs i like from GEO are rainy day and Pride

[Baernash]

Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker

Some of the GEO songs are pretty good and they actually give more variety to the album. Ladies Night is one of the best newer ayu songs , plus it has one of the one of the coolest PVs.
And funny how some people in here thinks rainy day is one of the best newer ayu songs and also love Pride but when posting here they mention how muh it would have been better without GEO and how much they only listen to the non-GEO songs. I guess some people aren't that true when they state their opinions about songs in certain threads?
And well, it was not GEO who worked in the album covers and booklet so you can't assume without him (miss)understood would have had better covers. That doesn't make much sense in my opinion at all.
After all I'm glad ayu produced more songs for me to listen to. I got tired of Memorial address pretty fast because that album is extremely short.
I have to agree with teamAyu, it seems like people start to dislike GEO songs mostly because they're covers. I always thought liking or disliking a song was meant to be how much the songs attracts your listening, not a label that the song carries with themselves: "OMG it's a cover it has least replay value", absolute nonsense.

Now just imagine if, instead of the GEO songs they had put Startin' and Born to be... on (miss)understood? (I honestly prefer all of the GEO songs over those 2)

Personally I'm agree with ur opinion in 100%. For me Ladies Night is one of the best AYU's new songs too - when album was released I was listening this one over and over, not counting that PV is great too (remaind me about such cool deep PVs like ourselves, alterna or F&E). I'm not huge rainy day or Pride lover - I rather some other songs on the album. I remember that after album show up someone started thread about "which songs from (miss)understood u like and dislike" - I wrote there my opinion and I didn't change my minds even if 50% of my fave songs list is obtain by GEO "cover" tracks.

Ppls whos know me surely know that I'm dissapointed AYU's latest works, but it's not because of GEO songs - I really like them and I think they r good. I'm only dissapointed marketing strategy of Avex which seems to want just sale as much as they can don't care about quality of product the same like in the past. AYU released those covers to could be in time for release new album before end of the year. Avex seems to producting regularly 1 single per 3 months and 1 album to finish the year. I think this hurry is not good for AYU. Insted of another "fast" single with some covers it would better to get her some few months of rest to she could create some new tracks by herself. However I think that release covers of songs composed for Sweetbox was surely better that choosing/composing some sloppy tracks only to fill up album space - like on MY STORY. I know that most of ppls don't like MY STORY and in their opinion it's one of the worse AYU albums and those "sloopy new tracks" r skipping when they listening the album. GEO songs r really good and they just change style of AYU's latest album on something what could be called "closer" and "more familiar" for western listeners. I know that many fans like this change - some others missing by AYU's "old style". Anyway I think (miss)understood should satisfy both groups because tracks were quite various. So.. I don't see the reason to complaining so much on new album and GEO songs and if ppls changing minds only because they discovered that those songs which they like was composed not exactly for AYU then it means they didn't really like them and they r susceptible on influence

IMO if GEO songs won't be on the album - this album would be little empty.. and yeah - added Startin' and Born To Be... would only make it worse.

[HELVENEUE]

I really dont understand where all the hate towards GEO comes from. I think as a composer, hes above and beyond. Why does it matter that sweetbox did the songs too? I bet if no one found out about the fact that sweetbox (impossible, people were gonna find out but regardless...) would also sing the to the melodies, you guys would've loved the songs.

as a mini-album, it wouldve been OK :-\ there was too many singles though....if all of the singles wouldve been just a single a-side no b-side type of thing, it would've been really good ^^;

meh, <3 Ayu. <3 (miss)understood. <3 GEO of SWEETBOX

[BanFan]

Originally Posted by Baernash

ppls changing minds only because they discovered that those songs which they like was composed not exactly for AYU then it means they didn't really like them and they r susceptible on influence

Besides Rainy day, the GEO songs were all the ones I found to be pretty bland even before I knew who did the music. If I didn't know GEO wrote the music, I still would think they were the weakest tracks. Also, STEP you, Is this LOVE?, (miss)understood, alterna, WILL and fairyland had some of the best lyrics from Ayumi since 'Duty' and 'I am...'. The other songs, besides Bold & Delicious, are sort of weak lyrically.

[sora2522]

what does GEO mean?

[ImpactBreaker]

Originally Posted by HELVENEUE

I really dont understand where all the hate towards GEO comes from. I think as a composer, hes above and beyond. Why does it matter that sweetbox did the songs too? I bet if no one found out about the fact that sweetbox (impossible, people were gonna find out but regardless...) would also sing the to the melodies, you guys would've loved the songs.

LOL it would be rather funny, because people can be so attached to labels and the whole imagery of something that they end up judging things more by their package than what's inside. If the same songs had been composed by CREA and sounded exactly like they were composed by GEO, people would say how much they would love the songs. i wonder how many people skip GEO's composed songs just because they think "blah this song is not original, just a cover", I mean, more by the repugnant feeling they have of the song not being originally made for ayu rather than disliking the song itself...

Sometimes it's even scary how some people want so much that CREA compose more songs and they're the ones saying how much Humming 7/4, WONDERLAND and winding road sucks big time. I guess they just forget such songs were composed by CREA herself. Or how some people in this forum cried so much for BOUNCEBACK to leave ayumi but nowadays some of them say Memorial address is a masterpiece (that album is proportionally a BOUNCEBACK's album as much as (miss)understood was GEO's). Go figure

[truehappiness]

Sometimes I worry about Ayu fans... :\

Do they really know what they want? I guess this whole thing is a matter of what you think of the music as an individual 'untouched' by the opinions of others. A song that sucks to someone can be someone else's "BEST SAWNG EVER!'. I guess no Ayu song is truly 'terrible' or '<3 incredible!' because it is all up to the listenr to decide that for themselves.

Ladies Night made (m)u worth purchasing.

[cybermoomba]

When will this "GEO hatred" stop! Seriously, it's getting really old. I personally like ALL of GEOs creations. I think it was a good choice as it did balance out (miss)understood big time. It gave the CD a bit of a fun, slick pop finish.

[TeamAyu]

GAWD I LOVE YOU IMPACTBREAKER!! Your a breath of fresh air in this forum!

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker

Some of the GEO songs are pretty good and they actually give more variety to the album. Ladies Night is one of the best newer ayu songs , plus it has one of the one of the coolest PVs.

I love Ladies Night and the PV, but I give more credit to the people in Ayu's camp for that one, than I do GEO.(plus GEO had nothing to do with the PV^_^) I've heard the Sweetbox version of that song and I think it is pretty awful. Ayu's version sounds very different and much better - they changed it quite a bit from the original.

Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker

And funny how some people in here thinks rainy day is one of the best newer ayu songs and also love Pride but when posting here they mention how muh it would have been better without GEO and how much they only listen to the non-GEO songs. I guess some people aren't that true when they state their opinions about songs in certain threads?

I think that Pride is only memorable because of the lyrics - I love Pride for that reason, but I think that if the music were changed, I wouldn't really miss the old music that much.

I also like Rainy Day, but even that I don't give GEO much credit for because the melody is an obvious ripoff of the Close Encounters theme. Since the melody is usually what makes a song immediately memorable, John Williams and Ayu(for the way she sings it and lyrics) are the reason Rainy Day is any good, not GEO.

I do think that both of those ballads are good, but even just comparing them to her ballads on My Story - Carols, Walking Proud, Moments - I would say they are relatively weaker. I still have sudden compulsions to listen to a song like Moments again, yet I don't really have urges to go back and listen to Pride or Rainy Day and this is just a few months after the album release.

It's for reasons like that that I don't understand why people think GEO is a good composer. Most Sweetbox songs reuse melodies or directly sample from other sources - that to me, does not a good composer make. In fact I don't even know if the title composer should apply. And then the few songs that are original compositions(as far as I can tell), really aren't that great.

I do agree with the sentiment that has been expressed here though that several people seem to go around saying that they love everything CREA composes but then don't like Winding Road or something. A lot of people do seem to change their opinions at the drop of a hat or contradict themselves completely. At least I've always liked Wonderland, Humming 7/4, and Winding Road.

[LEOyumi]

For me, the GEO songs are the soul of the (m)u album. Without them the album would lose much of its essence.

[BanFan]

Originally Posted by BanFan

...There you have Ayumi's 2nd mini album, no GEO songs. I must admit, I love some of those GEO songs, but without them, this is a pretty progressive album for Ayumi. I think it's wonderful, even though it only has 4 new songs. I'd have bought it, had it been a real release. There'd be PVs for (miss)understood and Criminal: another visual album.

That was the main purpose of this thread.
Yes, I do like the GEO songs, I like 'Rainy day', 'Ladies Night' and 'B&D' a lot, but I just thought it'd be cool if the GEO songs had been excluded it was made into another visual album. A lot of you are acting like I hate GEO or something.

MUSIC ASIDE, I think the none GEO tracks really had some amazing lyrics, and her singing was pretty good in all of them, though 'Rainy day' also had some really good vocals.

[ImpactBreaker]

Originally Posted by BanFan

That was the main purpose of this thread.
Yes, I do like the GEO songs, I like 'Rainy day', 'Ladies Night' and 'B&D' a lot, but I just thought it'd be cool if the GEO songs had been excluded it was made into another visual album. A lot of you are acting like I hate GEO or something.

MUSIC ASIDE, I think the none GEO tracks really had some amazing lyrics, and her singing was pretty good in all of them, though 'Rainy day' also had some really good vocals.

Banfan I'm not referring to you in my posts. I know how yo felt about many of the GEO songs even before they mentioned the composers or that the songs were covers, and I read all of your posts in this thread. I was just speaking that in general I've seem some people who were enjoying GEO songs and even preferring some of the GEO songs over many other non-GEO(miss)understood tracks and now they say how much it would have been better without him. That's where my comments were being focused.

[BanFan]

Ok. *Blinks* Whoops. .-.