An amateur way to find out if ayu lip-syncs

[LacusClyne]

it could also be possible that she's lipsyching some parts and singing over the recorded part

[Ayumi_lover]

^that's very hard to do and so can be easy revealed because of different acoustic in every Arena she performed

[alternarist]

Originally Posted by AyuHamasaki01

And you should care why...? It's my bussiness if I want to do the test or not.
Besides, I'm not gonna make a fool out of myself (no offense though, seriously, since I am sure you all have a good voice ) since I cannot sing.

lol.. we are not expecting u to do my test and record it and post it up here.

but just do it, try singing the first chorus of Marionette from "BOKU..."

while doing the same exact actions as ayu.. it's difficult to sing it without shaky voice.

[Ayumi_lover]

^are you studying vocal professionally?

[waterballoon]

The thing is, in the lives of Mirrorcle World, Ayu actually jumps around in the "wow wow yeah yeah" parts... and so far, from what I can hear, it sounds okay, and not shaky at all. But I doubt any live of Mirrorcle World was lip-synched!

I don't want to jump to the gun, but I think that Ayu CAN sing properly even while doing extreme physical movements. I think that it's harder to sing smoothly while jumping (or at least it's on par) than doing a Marionette-esque dance.

So, I just think she uses a strong/loud backing track... come on we can hear her breathing and singing super out of tune for some parts... doesn't seem too smart if she wants to use such a rendition to lip-synch, no?

[maikaru]

Originally Posted by alternarist

i found a clip of ayu performing Marionette in the last show in Taiwan. Here it is!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyKdN4sxsXs

and i compared the chorus of Marionette in Taiwan's last show with Japan's last show. I must say the chorus sounded 98% alike except in these 2 lines (of Taiwan's last show):

"hikari sae miushinai
mou nando mo akirameta"

the bolded & underlined syllables are slightly off from Japan's last show.

haha.. i am going for the details. you guys take a look!!!

if there is any parts off, then it cannot be lipsync, period.
If she used a lipsync track, why wouldnt the entire thing be the same??
It's not logic.
If you play both tracks on top of each other, and it just sounds the same, with a higher volume, then it is exactly the same track.
That's how you tell..

Anyways, Marionette is not a hard song to sing at all,
And in all honestly, I dont think the moves are that intense that she cannot sing that easy song.
Remember, what may be hard for you is easy for her because she knows her voice, and its easier for a professional singer. And especially, male cannot sing female key the same way, so alternist method cannot be used between male and female.
I am not saying she didnt lipsync, but this method cannot be used effective.

[happy_ai]

i watched it again and it didn't or looked like she lip synced
To me(and I could be wrong):
She jerked around 4 times.
when she jerked up for the third and fourth time while singing "BOKU" she moved with it... like "BO" (jerked one time) KU!!! (jerked a second time) and then one more time to get back into a straighter position...
oh, it so hard to explain what in my heard tight now... lol

[Sasuke Hamasaki]

Ayu-sama is never lip sync plain and simple

[ayuayu798]

I dont understand what's the big deal... I mean you want her to sound good right? while someone is jerking arounding like that, it's understandable to have have some parts of the performace lip synced. As long as she's not doing that throughout her whole show, I think it's ok to do that... oh, and for those of you who think that just because you cant sing that part of the song, that Ayu cant either... um.. 1.she's a professional and2.She's had loads of tuime to work on her singing and performaces for this tour....

[noidea]

Marionette was NOT lipsynched, it's an easy song, she was off some times, shes is a VERY experienced singer and it's not even a very hard move, even I was able to do that "test" of the first post without a very shaky voice, but I think most people got that by now, happy ai explained it quite good, she moved WITH the lyrics, not AGAINST the lyrics, though that has to be learned first, too, its way easier than singing moving against the singing(or more simple: she starts sudden moves at the same moment she starts a syllabe)..just wanted to kind of complete the thread...mentioning everything important in a few sentences

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by alternarist

so the story goes.

i was watching ayu's TV version of ASIA TOUR 2008. as any ayu fan would behave, i went totally crazy over ayu's Marionette performance and then suddenly i thought.. it seems possible for ayu to be lip-syncing for this song.

I AM NOT SURE IF AYU DID LIP-SYNCHED FOR THIS SONG OR NOT.

So i did a test.. i will follow ayu's actions from the chorus onwards (as it's not that "flowy") and see if i could sing out the same thing as ayu.

i did the same action as ayu for the first 2 beats when ayu was jerking up and sings "BOKU" of the 1st chorus.. it was impossible for me to even sing the first 2 syllables of the chorus. i tried to continue and it's really hard for me to sing as smooth as her (not even talking about hitting the right pitch).

So i thought it could be that ayu really lip-synched for this song. i duno.. it's just a simple test and i failed. probably u guys can try at home and see if u can do it .. haha..

DISCLAIMER: just in case any arguments/debates/quarrels start here over ayu lip-synching, i am not responsible for it..

Actually this has been analyzed to death for months on this forum. Me and basically only one other person had been saying for a long time that it is physically impossible for her to be singing that song live. Even when I saw it live, I thought immediately that it was probably lip synced. Plus all of the performances of it that we have bootlegs of sound exactly the same. (as do a few other songs from the concert.)

Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker

fitness? I can dance a littlçe and even do a few spins and sing normally. I don't have complex dancing skills, but neither does ayu. Of course I understand that in a concert you actually work a lot more, but then, I'm sure ayu is way fitter than I am LOL Plus, I do notice her vocals get worse when she has a medley of fast songs linked together and she has too walk too much and jump around like the evolution+SURREAL combos.

That should make it obvious to you then that it's lip synched. She can barely walk and sing at the same time without her voice jumping around like crazy these days. How is she going to dance and sing at the same time and have it come out smoothly?

Originally Posted by waterballoon

The thing is, in the lives of Mirrorcle World, Ayu actually jumps around in the "wow wow yeah yeah" parts... and so far, from what I can hear, it sounds okay, and not shaky at all. But I doubt any live of Mirrorcle World was lip-synched!

lol, Mirrorcle World has never sounded anywhere close to smooth, least of all at the wow wow yeah yeah parts. People need to do what Melrose said and actually compare the audio bootlegs from the tour. The tv version the audio has been tweaked to sound better (although to me it still sounds pretty much the same as the other Marrionette's just with higher quality audio.)

Please excuse my rudeness here, but it's frustrating because a lot of people in this thread seem to like having their heads stuck in the sand...

[truehappiness]

I think it's because the term lip-sync implies that she isn't singing and is lipping to some other track, which people refuse to believe.

It's obvious at some points that what we're hearing isn't her voice during some performances, but she's definitely singing into the microphone, so perhaps we shouldn't really call it lip-synching...

[Yum!Fruit_Salad!]

After doing alternarist's test, Ayu could have been singing while jerking around. I just tried it now and the movements don't interrupt the breathing much, meaning being on pitch and being very audible has a high possiblity. Whether or not she did lip-synch, I can't say definitely.

[chocopockymaster]

My theory is that she synchs for the majority of the performance, up until she and her dancers "break free", so to speak, and then she proceeds to sing again. There were very noticeable differences in the quality/sound of her voice towards the end of the song between her shows on 6/28 and 6/29, both of which I was able to see live.

[alternarist]

Originally Posted by Ayumi_lover

^are you studying vocal professionally?

No actually.. But i find it very interesting to study the relationship between ayu's movements and her vocals..

Originally Posted by maikaru

if there is any parts off, then it cannot be lipsync, period.
If she used a lipsync track, why wouldnt the entire thing be the same??
It's not logic.
If you play both tracks on top of each other, and it just sounds the same, with a higher volume, then it is exactly the same track.
That's how you tell..

i already pointed out the 2 extremely minor differences between the 2 videos. and these extremely minor diff may just be due to diff sound qualities of the 2 videos.

i actually played both tracks on top of each other and it's exactly the same. But i was just being critical by pointing out 2 very extremely minor differences.

Why dont u do the same thing and play both tracks on top of each other and see if it's the same!! u will be surprised.

Originally Posted by maikaru

Anyways, Marionette is not a hard song to sing at all,

are you saying this on behalf of ayu? or u admit that u are a better singer than ayu?

Originally Posted by maikaru

I am not saying she didnt lipsync, but this method cannot be used effective.

And since u are a female, why dont u try it? really.

Originally Posted by Sasuke Hamasaki

Ayu-sama is never lip sync plain and simple

I always believed this theory until Marionette.

Originally Posted by Yum!Fruit_Salad!

I just tried it now and the movements don't interrupt the breathing much.

that means u didnt jerk hard enough as me.. haha jk!

as i said, this is a very amateur way of finding out if ayu lip syncs. i cant guarantee anything. but from my point of view, ayu did lip sync for this song as i am not convinced that she can sing BOKU without jerky voice.

[Raiu-Ayu]

I think this argument is kinda funny. Just because people in the forum can't sing while moving like ayu doesn;t mean that ayu can't. She is a professionally trained singer and has been doing it for 10 years. Of course she's gonna know some tricks to help her with her breathing while singing and dancing.

Still I do believe that ayu does lip-sync sometimes during concerts, especially recently with the whole ear thing. But at least she does it semi-live. She propably plays back a recording from a rehersal or something. At least she's not like the JE bands where the ACTUAL song is just playing while they jump around and pretend to sing (Oh I still cringe when I watch the infamous Yamapi MS moment X_X)

[Ayumi_lover]

it is possible to sing this song with such movements, as it possible with alterna, he just making her shows more amazing and some people could not belive that it possible to do without cheating.
I played both tracks, and well, i want to admit that chorus is pretty similar, but i can't hear much on HK rip so i would agree that it is similar. anyway verses is 100% live for me

[noidea]

to find out if they are the same, the only real way is to invert one, if all the vocals vanish that way, its playback, if you put them on each other they sound the same because you hear both, they sound more full and you dont hear mistakes very good, its kind of the worst way to find out if its the same, bacause you see NOTHING from that, we have to wait for the dvd-version of marionette to really compare

[Ayusan]

Originally Posted by Raiu-Ayu

I think this argument is kinda funny. Just because people in the forum can't sing while moving like ayu doesn;t mean that ayu can't. She is a professionally trained singer and has been doing it for 10 years. Of course she's gonna know some tricks to help her with her breathing while singing and dancing.

Same here, very funny thread, since some unprofessional persons CAN'T sing as her then she must lip synch lol have you more example like this, it makes my day ?! Ne don't scare me, I hope you didn't sing with your throat

Have you short memories too ? She does hard training, she is a pro, not you if right ?! She knows how to use her voice, if not better to stop, what a shame for a singer.

I personally never got prob in my dance class while dancing hard and counting the times for my students since I'm used to and I know how to use my breathing and all. And yes, I have no prob to sing and dance either. You know how to use your breathing and body or you don't.

What is even more funny is that I heard a late Marionette perf, ears bleeding, completely ugly for my ears, the TV has been heavily edited !!! Maybe not the same perf *shrug* but while using a lip synch, use something good, my ears will be very happy u_u....

I don't say she doesn't use lip synch, she surely does often but to base your decision because YOU, you can't sing it's funny and ridiculous to death. If you can't dance, are you saying that others use a trick because you, you can't do it ? If you can't sew, knit ..... same ? If you run slower than someone else, does that person used doping ? o-O

And the : you didn't jerk as much than me .... no comment, really !

Base your facts on something we can trust, I don't see the point to claim I can't do it so she can't do it either lol she maybe used lip synch or no ... I don't care, it was far to be a perfect perf anyway, then ... actually it fly over my head, who do not use lip synch in live ? And it's not like if she only use lip synch, where is the big deal, won't stop me to sleep anyway.

[ImpactBreaker]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

Please excuse my rudeness here, but it's frustrating because a lot of people in this thread seem to like having their heads stuck in the sand...

The fact you have a different opinion, and you are frustrated that other people have other opinions different from yours doesn't mean you are right and that they have their heads stuck in the sand. Get frustrated all you want (that's not anybody business, much less mine ), people can deduce whatever they want, unless there's some pretty solid truth that you can bring to this thread like showing that her mouth was completely closed and that sound came out of it. Period. Basing it because in certain performances it happened differently is ridiculous. There are days I can climb several floors through stairs and feel completely fine and there are days I can climb the same ammount of stairs and get exhausted.

And your explanation to my quote didn't make it any obvious to me. I'm not saying she NEVER lip synchs, but I said that other things can explain how can someone be able to sing and dance at the same time without their voices getting flawed. I'm not a singer, far from it, and I can, because I'm quite fit in my cardiopulmonary resitance (I can do a lot of moves and heavy exercises before getting a heavy breathing and shorted breathness due to aerobic exercises). There are days my resistance drops out to a considerable ammount, that's called overtraining, but I can get my good performance back once I give it the proper rest. A person who has their head stuck in the sand are those who only think the only reason why would someone be able to dance and sing at the same time would be "lip-synching". Not necessarily it will be that.