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Old 21st April 2009, 05:52 AM
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^ Well, I am referring to Catholicism.

Well, I guess not many people in Japan know about Mary Magdalene, so I've always thought that it inspired her because it was a Bible based story that she probably wouldn't have heard before (if that makes sense LOL).
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Old 21st April 2009, 06:01 AM
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^well I won't disagree that she could have heard Mary Magdalene's story instead. It's just that I find that possibility more slim than the other way around. But who knows, Andrenekoi is right, that's one of those things only ayu knows and we'll never know the answer (just like what does she officially say in the english parts of "forgiveness" and those digitalized voclas over Beautiful fighters lol) Maybe if anyone from here ever met her, hopefully they wouldn't waste the chance to clear these questions lol
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Old 21st April 2009, 06:11 AM
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I think Orthodox church has saints too^^

As I said... I think that the song is about virgin mary too... But, only ayu knows xD

It's nice to talk to another brazilian in here xDDD
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Old 21st April 2009, 06:16 AM
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My mum used to be Church of England and her Catholic cousins had little cupboards with a Mary statue in them, they used to open it and pray every day.

We're a different religion now, I was baptised Lutheran to get into a good school (well, it wasn't that good, but better than the public one lol) and they never prayed to saints, just learned about them a bit.

I think that it all depends on what sect/arm of the religion you're in. They all have different rules on who you can/should pray to.


Back on topic: I like to think that the song title has multiple meanings, the PV meaning is clear that it's "Maria", the song title "M" could stand for a large number of English words or she's done the song to fit with her other songs; A, H, &.

In the lyrics she's talking to a "Maria" so she could be talking to a saint, or maybe just to all women in the world who she's calling "Maria".
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Old 21st April 2009, 09:12 AM
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[QUOTE=ImpactBreaker;1910109]^Well, I believe only catholics pray to saints (can't remember any other christian religion that has "saints" but maybe I'm misinformed). Brazil has the largest population of catholics in the world. nobody here prays to Mary Magdalene and it's a fact here. People massively pray for Virgin Mary here, far more than to Saint Anthony. Not sure about the other catholics in the world though.[QUOTE]


I think you're right. I live in Italy, the fatherland of catholicism and here every city, every small town or village, adores a Saint and organizes celebrations dedicated to him. For istance, one of most known italian city in the world, Venice, celebrates Saint Marc.
In the post above the translation of what I found in italian version of wikipedia.
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Old 21st April 2009, 10:02 AM
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ORIGINAL ITALIAN WIKIPEDIA FILE

Il culto più antico rivolto a Maria Maddalena, risalente alla fine del IV secolo, è quello che si svolgeva nei riti della Chiesa Orientale la seconda domenica dopo Pasqua, chiamata "delle mirofore". In quel giorno si commemoravano le donne che il giorno dopo la crocifissione e la morte di Gesù si recarono al sepolcro con gli unguenti per imbalsamarlo. Tra le mirofore un ruolo importante l'aveva Maria Maddalena, l'unica che è sempre citata in tutti e quattro i vangeli canonici. Il primo centro della venerazione della Maddalena fu Efeso, dove si diceva fosse pure la sua tomba, nell'ingresso della grotta dei Sette Dormienti; si sposta poi a Costantinopoli, dove all'epoca di Leone il Filosofo (nel 886) sarebbe stato trasferito il corpo, e si diffonde poi nella Chiesa Occidentale soprattutto dal XI secolo. Il culto di Maddalena si diffuse in Europa ed i suoi devoti costruirono numerose chiese in suo onore: la più nota è quella gotica di Saint-Maximin-la-Sainte-Baume (1295) dove è conservato quello che si dice sia il teschio della santa, ma la prima in cui si formò il culto di Maria Maddalena è l'abbazia di Vezelay dove già nel 1050 si diceva fosse conservato il corpo. Di recente, soprattutto in seguito al successo del libro Il santo Graal di Baigent, Leigh e Lincoln, è diventata famosa la chiesa di Santa Maria Maddalena di Rennes-le-Château nella regione dell'Aude.
In Francia si racconta che le tre Marie, scampate dalle prime persecuzioni, approdarono nelle paludi della Camargue, dove un paese porta il loro nome: Saintes-Maries-de-la-Mer. Il culto della Maddalena, peraltro, non è una prerogativa esclusiva della Francia, come dimostra l'esistenza di molti edifici a lei dedicati ad esempio in Italia, quali la chiesa parrocchiale dell'isola della Maddalena, la Chiesa arcipretale di Longare, la Chiesa parrochiale di Bordighera, il Duomo di Desenzano, e molti altri.
Come santa cattolica, le reliquie di Maria Maddalena furono venerate a Saint-Maximin-la-Sainte-Baume, Provenza, attraendo una tale folla di pellegrini che venne eretta una grande basilica verso la metà del tredicesimo secolo, una delle più famose chiese Gotiche del sud della Francia. Benché le sue ossa siano state disperse durante Rivoluzione Francese, si disse che la sua testa fosse rimasta nel suo sacrario in una caverna a La Sainte-Baume vicino a Marsiglia. La Chiesa cattolica celebra la sua festa il 22 luglio.
The veneration of Mary Magdalene

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The most ancient cult dedicated to Mary Magdalene was in the end of IV century and took place in the rituals of the Oriental Church the second Sunday after Easter.
In that day they celebrated all the women that, the day after the crucifixion, went to the sepulchre with the oils for embalm the body of Christ. Among these women an important role was given to Mary Magdalene the only one existent in all the four canonics scriptures.
The first place of veneration of M. M. was in Epheso (Greece) where it is told to be also her grave; then her burial has been transferred to Costantinople during Leone the Philosoph era (886 a.C) and after this transfer her cult began to diffuse among the Occidental Church fideles in the XI century.
The cult of the Magdalene was broadcasted in the whole Europe and her fideles built many churches in her honor: the most famous is the gothic one of Saint-Maximin la Sainte Baume (1295) where is cherished the skull of the Saint; but the very first church where the European cult grew up was the Vezelay abbey where already in 1050 was told to be conserved the holy body.
Recently afterwards the success of the book “The Saint Graal” og baigent-leight-Lincoln became famous the Church of rennes-le-Chateau.

In France it narrates that the Three Mary, escaped from the first persecutions, arrived in the bogs of Camargue (a France’s region), where a village still brings their names: Saintes Maries de la mer (the three Marys of the sea). Anyway the cult of the Magdalene is not a prerogative of France, but in Italy exist many buildings dedicated to her: for example the church of the Maddalena Island (in sardinia, I add that’s the most gorgeous natural place in the world!!), the Chrches of Longare, Bordighera and the Desenzano’s Dome (in the Garda’s lake banks).

As a catholic Saint, her relics are celebrated in the church of Saint Maximin la Sainte Baume in Provence, one of the most famous gothic churches of south France: this celebration attracts a huge crowd of pilgrims.Even though her bones were lost during the French Revolution is narrated that her skull rest in her sepulchre in a cavern of La Sainte Baume near Marseille.
The catholic Church celebrates her the 22nd July.


Sorry for my rude translation but I did it while working.

In the end, anyway, I feel to say that I really don’t know any Pray or chant dedicated to her: this is really common for catholic saints. You pray them with general Pray or invoching their names in your pray.
In the PV ayu wears a white pure wedding dress: even the Magdalene is a saint she couldn’t be figured out with such a candid dress symbol of Virgin Mary pureness.
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Old 21st April 2009, 10:14 AM
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Maria is actually the woman that sells plastic jewelry in some markets near my house LOL
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Old 21st April 2009, 10:41 AM
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Maria is actually the woman that sells plastic jewelry in some markets near my house LOL
too funny LOL! it's also my dear Grandmommy, I love her
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Old 21st April 2009, 10:52 AM
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too funny LOL! it's also my dear Grandmommy, I love her
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thats soo cute xD


I also have a friend called Maria xDD
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Old 21st April 2009, 07:08 PM
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The germanturkish wife of my brother first called herself Maria(we dont know why xD she later confessed her name is not maria xD) xDDD
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Old 21st April 2009, 10:32 PM
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If you've ever seen ayu's history on music station (2001 broadcast). The caption for the M performance reads 聖母マリアをイメージ . In other words, The Holy Mother.
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^nice find =D

but yes, i'm 99.9% sure she's praying to Mary, the mother of Jesus.
and i have to say, here in croatia we pray a lot to virgin Mary, but it's very rare to even hear someone prays to Mary Magdalene.... i remember learning a M.M prayer some time in middle school, but forgot about it xD

maybe she'd call the song M.M and not just M if she prayed to Mary Magdalene?
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^Well, I believe only catholics pray to saints (can't remember any other christian religion that has "saints" but maybe I'm misinformed). Brazil has the largest population of catholics in the world. nobody here prays to Mary Magdalene and it's a fact here. People massively pray for Virgin Mary here, far more than to Saint Anthony. Not sure about the other catholics in the world though.



I know. In Japan, in which the christianity rate is kinda low, MARIA is a short name they often use to refer to Virgin Mary. Several times have I see references in Japanese stuff (non-ayu related) about Virgin Mary and Jesus. Practically never about Mary Magdalene.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/ency...me.php?id=3772
So is Ayu a christian?
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Old 22nd April 2009, 12:39 AM
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So is Ayu a christian?
Not really... A friend told her about Virgin Mary... If she was christian she would know about her alread
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^Well, I believe only catholics pray to saints (can't remember any other christian religion that has "saints" but maybe I'm misinformed).
The Orthodox Church prays to saints as well.

I agree, it's the Virgin Mary that Ayu refers too. ^_^
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If you've ever seen ayu's history on music station (2001 broadcast). The caption for the M performance reads 聖母マリアをイメージ . In other words, The Holy Mother.
Good discovery Mitkki, now we have the definitive answer
.. even i was sure of it..I wonder is the church was a set or a real gothic one
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Old 22nd April 2009, 05:39 PM
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^ oh it's definitely real.

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I feel so smart knowing that "Maria" was Mary. I just assumed that all along.
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In Japan they call The Virgin Mary マリア、(MARIA)。
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Old 23rd April 2009, 08:52 AM
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In Japan they call The Virgin Mary マリア、(MARIA)。
Maybe bcoz in italy her name is pronounced Maria...don't know...even Virgin Mary real name is Mariam (in Israel)
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