Which concert(s) was(were) sang completely?

[noidea]

Originally Posted by alternarist

1) ok i forgot about theme of a-nation '03.

2) Calling me naive? Try telling this to everyone in the forum and see who believes u. They rather read a magazine than ur "theory" on ayu lip-synching. U cant prove anything with whatever u said.



i agree with u that it makes sense. but THIS IS NOTHING TO PROVE ANYTHING!! oh cumon.

3) I have BEEN TO that concert. I have listened to ayu's singing. Beat that.

That doesnt change the fact that your "she sang it completely live" is speculated in just the same way. Your "I was there" is nothing to prove it as well.
U cant prove anything with whatever u said. All I ever wrote makes more sense than your "I was there!!!!!!!" argument. And seriously, I don't believe that they completely replaced the audio for several songs in that tour, and that they even had the oppurtunity to do so, because she usually speaks to the audience and shouts out come on!s in songs like evolution and UNITE!.
many, many people, especially new fans, here belong to the "Ayu is perfect!"-fraction, of course they won't believe me, measuring truth by how many people think it's right is crap. Or do you say the Nazis were right because many people believed Hitler back then?

[keepsgettinbetter]

all i can add tot his is that, during HAPPY ENDING in AT05, you can clearly tell that they used the recorded vocals after the dramatic ending part where shuyu (?) gets carried off stage. it sounds IDENTICLE to the CD.

Originally Posted by noidea

That doesnt change the fact that your "she sang it completely live" is speculated in just the same way. Your "I was there" is nothing to prove it as well.
U cant prove anything with whatever u said. All I ever wrote makes more sense than your "I was there!!!!!!!" argument. And seriously, I don't believe that they completely replaced the audio for several songs in that tour, and that they even had the oppurtunity to do so, because she usually speaks to the audience and shouts out come on!s in songs like evolution and UNITE!.
many, many people, especially new fans, here belong to the "Ayu is perfect!"-fraction, of course they won't believe me, measuring truth by how many people think it's right is crap. Or do you say the Nazis were right because many people believed Hitler back then?

this is my favourite post out of all your amazing posts in this thread.

[ren0210989]

Originally Posted by noidea

^ Like I worte, I got that from statistics, statistics don't lie,

oh come on, you can't really beleave that??
statistics are made by humans using information humans give away!!!!!
it's always possible that statistics lie.

Originally Posted by noidea

@ren0210989
That took around 15 minutes and yes I have a lot of spare time, I still go to school after all and I have vacation, you really have enough spare time to read this and answer?
And the first thought is not "WHAT DID SHE SYNCH?", but you can't help but notice it, especially if you know the playback really well already from watching other concerts of hers + Theres always reports before you get the concert saying which songs probably were synched which, of course, makes you listen more closely on these songs.

wow, you just took one minute of my spare time for reading this comment an two more minutes for me to answer, oh noo~
and the "what did she synch" part wasn't aimed at you directlly, it's a general thing a lot of members seem to have recentlly, so don't get all quirky about it. i'm not here to start an argument with you nor anyone else.

of course everyone pays more attention to a song someone reported as being synched, but to search for tiny details of every performance just to see if it was live or not just ruins the whole concert and i find it sad.
(again not aimed at you directlly, it's in general)

[Ayumi_lover]

CDL0203 evolution was announced by avex as lipsynch because Ayu was ill, also DVD and TV version of CDL02-03 was filmed on the same date only parts of video were replaced by other date on dvd!
Also statistics in such case not really reliable thing, because counting songs that SEEMS to be lipsynched is fun itself because it based on your opinion only, and about CAROLS I just checked both performances - they are similar, but in AT05 vocals more stronger, while in CDL0405 it's soft and sometimes lost in music.

For you to know it's possible to sing with 99% similar vocals, especially when you're dancing, it's like you can do 10 press-up pretty similar, because vocals are made by muscules. I said it's possible to sing 99% similar, but it actually rare and applies to ballads, because they are easier to sing, it also goes to songs with energy dance because then you have each time same breathing rhythm. For me CAROLS from AT05 dvd and CDL0405 TV versions sounded 99% the same, and 1% was lost because of arrangement and CDL04-05 sound quality. If I would hear CDL0405 in real HQ when I can hear her breathing rhythm than I will agree that it is lipsynch(like evolution at CDL06-07, 07-08 etc)

[noidea]

I meant that A Museum TV and DVD version were from different dates
About CAROLS: As I said, I only qouted other people, I never checked that performance myself becauswe I just can't stand the song anyway xD

[Andrenekoi]

@Noidea@ I was just kidding xD Don't hate me

Most of the time, Ayu sings live... I would say that less than 20% of her performaces over those 11 years and some months were lip-synched... some people says she lip-synchs at least 2 or 3 songs per concert, but most of the time this is based on dvd versions were everything is edited (the same goes for tv versions broadcasted days or months after the recording, like the a-nations or at08). I would say that Angel's Song and Greatful Days were never sung live on concert, and some more songs I can't really remember right now... But as someone stated, I prefer to just enjoy the concert^^

[Ayumi_lover]

I still don't understand why people saying that Greatful days on A-nation 08 was lipsynch

[noidea]

^ because it just gives no live impression at all, except for the lalalas, they always seem live to me, but i only watched the a-nation '08 performance once, so i cant say anything about that

@Andrenekoi
Actually, I think something between 15-20 % probably is the amount of playback
And I know that you were just kidding^^ Just wanted to point it out, mostly for the other poeple.

[zyoeru]

I just think people who are always watching out to see if Ayu lip-syncs are missing out. In the grand scheme of things it ain't that important.

[Andrenekoi]

^ Well, I just think that if he can't bem sure it was live even being there, people who goes to her concerts and are 100% sure it wasn't live can't be trusted too..

[noidea]

^ thats entirely right, thats why i only believe reports if several reports say the same

[alternarist]

alright u win.

continue with ur collection of statistics. Good luck in convincing others.

[keikeiaznqueen]

At the end of the day, whether or not Ayu was lip-syncing at a concert or not, if you're there watching it live, it doesn't matter because the impact is pretty much just as good.

I *do* believe that AT07 evolution was playback, but that doesn't stop it from being one of my favourite performances. Also, I also believe Greatful Days at A-nation 08 was playback. However, I don't think this sort of thing should be treated as something negative, because Ayu clearly doesn't really think so.

I prefer her to do what she's comfortable with. I think having a few songs each concert as playback gives her a major boost in her vocals for her encore, otherwise she'll be too tired!

Her really early concerts though, Concert Tour and Dome Tour were definitely live. I'd also like to add Stadium Tour in there, but I'm not 100% certain. Maybe 90% certain.

[noidea]

Originally Posted by keikeiaznqueen

At the end of the day, whether or not Ayu was lip-syncing at a concert or not, if you're there watching it live, it doesn't matter because the impact is pretty much just as good.

I *do* believe that AT07 evolution was playback, but that doesn't stop it from being one of my favourite performances. Also, I also believe Greatful Days at A-nation 08 was playback. However, I don't think this sort of thing should be treated as something negative, because Ayu clearly doesn't really think so.

I prefer her to do what she's comfortable with. I think having a few songs each concert as playback gives her a major boost in her vocals for her encore, otherwise she'll be too tired!

Her really early concerts though, Concert Tour and Dome Tour were definitely live. I'd also like to add Stadium Tour in there, but I'm not 100% certain. Maybe 90% certain.

I agree with you almost 100%(only Stadium Tour is the thing I do not agree with, but we shouldnt discuss this now^^ and CDL00-01 was 100% live as well, just to add^^)
I think as long as Ayu does not synch one of the following songs:
A Song for XX
teddy bear
Memorial Address
untitled ~for her~
or a complete concert, I'm totally okay with it.
And I also LOVE some of the performances I think that were playback(Marionette in AT08 belongs to my favourite ever performances though I think it was playback)

[Ayumi_lover]

evolution at AT07 was live, at least it's ballad part! I tired of proving it by bootleg video!

[noidea]

^ yeah, i might have confused a little, i splitted the song in two files on my ipod, one being the ballad intro and the second being the main performance, so i always forget about that part

[SURREAL__RAINBOW]

I didn't mean to make people fight in this thread... I just wanted to know xD but I guess we all have our own ways to see what ayu does and she's really singing or not :S

I really wanted the facts and not the opinions, but thanks anyway!

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by SURREAL__RAINBOW

I didn't mean to make people fight in this thread... I just wanted to know xD but I guess we all have our own ways to see what ayu does and she's really singing or not :S

I really wanted the facts and not the opinions, but thanks anyway!

Facts: evolution at CDL02-03 (this is the one mimed cuz she was sick, right?), Theme of A-Nation'03 at CDL05-06 and Angel's Song at PCDL08-09

[noidea]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

Facts: evolution at CDL02-03 (this is the one mimed cuz she was sick, right?), Theme of A-Nation'03 at CDL05-06 and Angel's Song at PCDL08-09

I don't remember reading about an official announcement about CDL0203 and IF there was one, they would have included all playback songs and not just one. evolution wasnt even the most obvious one in that concert IMO

[Ayumi_lover]

Limited TA Live Tour 2003 was fully live
Evolution @CDL0203 was announced as playback(and some more song, don't remember which? Unite?) in order to not break the show