[News] ～A BEST LIVE～ DVD/BD on 2013.10.30 + Live CD on 2013.9.18

[SKYia]

Originally Posted by js_surrealism

I just refuse to be happy with this release when she has been capable of much better e.g. in PCDL, PoM, even the RnRC tour.

True, true.

[Deep snow]

Originally Posted by ayu2001

I think poker face is prerecording, Fly high too...
i compared between CD ver. and Real live rips.
maybe HEAVEN is not full live. i think it has part of prerecording
JEWEL is live.
but i can't assure M and No way to say are full live
maybe No way to say has part of prerecording. M is full live

The ones you hear on the CD is basically the "real live ver." but polished the fuck up by Autotunes, that's why they sound similar, only better. All of the songs on the CD are "full live", but Autotuned; I doubt there is a prerecorded part in them, except for some parts in Tell All (i.e. "nani mo kowakunai yo") - so when there actually is, you can obviously tell.

[!Lawi!]

^
^The RnRC Tour is her best tour ever, maybe not vocally, but she sounded more than decent and the whole thing was so impressive !

I'm fine with what I'm hearing so far, she sounds really good on some tracks, though she does "force" her voice at some points. It's really obvious on A Song for XX, she sounds quite bad compared with other lives...
But I still think it's better than the HLS Tour, I thought she sounded really weak in that one. Vocally speaking, her last perfect concert was probably the CDL HLS, it was perfect from the first song to the end of the encore !

[js_surrealism]

^ Yes. Which is why I wish she DIDN'T release the live album after all, since it isn't a vocally or musically impressive show at all. I would have been perfectly happy with a DVD of the tour, and have her save live albums for the tours that deserve it. Even an A Best 3 (with Tell All -which I think is a great song, butchered on this tour- included) would have been a better 'celebration gift' of sorts for me.

[njanjayrp]

Originally Posted by js_surrealism

^ Yes. Which is why I wish she DIDN'T release the live album after all, since it isn't a vocally or musically impressive show at all. I would have been perfectly happy with a DVD of the tour, and have her save live albums for the tours that deserve it. Even an A Best 3 (with Tell All -which I think is a great song, butchered on this tour- included) would have been a better 'celebration gift' of sorts for me.

I don't get what's the big deal. Just don't listen to it...There are many of us who are enjoying it.

[marty]

Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

Please. Don't you ever ever ever ever ever ever compare Celine to Koda vocal-wise again. x_x

Lol, but why?? XD

[ayu2001]

Originally Posted by kinix

I think ayu2001 was trying say that those track were not from the last date recording but from other tour dates. Which means it's live and not recorded.

soorry.... but i meant she used one pre-recording song during whole being held concert (April~July) / i can say on CD, the poker face and Fly high were from last date live ver. she said 'fi-na-ru' or 'ikujae yoyogi' or 'minnade' or 'ikanji' 'ikuyo' when she sings Fly high on CD ver. you can't hear these words on fan rip ver. (if poker face and Fly high are not pre-recording songs the possibility still remains that they used other day's live ver for release. but i can assure they are pre-recording songs)

by the way i like this live cd. but releasing this CD is little bit disappointing.

[owlflight]

I'm undecided on whether to buy the bluray or not. I typically don't buy concert releases but I like this set list...

[ayumi_ed]

Originally Posted by KLJames

her chorus sing:
we're on the journey looking for love, we will grow up and to be happy

she sing: i'm on the journey looking for love

and the song end with:
bokutachi wa kono nagai tabiji no (at the end of this long journey)
i believe... anything anywhere anytime anyone

Thanks for the added lyrics! This makes Voyage an even more meaningful song

[ayu2001]

Originally Posted by Deep snow

The ones you hear on the CD is basically the "real live ver." but polished the fuck up by Autotunes, that's why they sound similar, only better. All of the songs on the CD are "full live", but Autotuned; I doubt there is a prerecorded part in them, except for some parts in Tell All (i.e. "nani mo kowakunai yo") - so when there actually is, you can obviously tell.

yes, you're right. they used autotunes a lot.
anyway, do you know PCDL has a lot of pre-recorded songs?
medley (especially ANGEL'S SONG-I have video if you want i will give you.).. SCAR.. Over... the TV version of PCDL on 12.31 proves the truth. she missed words but sound is streaming. (example. when she sings 'Over', the part 'it's over' in middle, she put down the microphone but the sound is streaming. but on DVD ver. she doesn't put down the microphone and she sang that part. it's scary thing though!! they mixed 2008.12.30 and 2008.12.31 for release. And they(Maybe it was WOWOW TV) broadcasted the same live on another day. they changed that scene.)
and she released PCDL CD for NEXT LEVEL.
i'm sure you knew these facts.
as you know she has been using pre-recorded songs for a long time.
maybe she used pre-recorded songs on A BEST LIVE too.
but i don't care about it.
and did you listen what i linked files? if you did, you could find what i said. it's almost same. i think anyone can't deny the fact.

in my case. i like this LIVE CD. i enjoyed this CD. still love her live.
but they advertise 'it's live CD'. it's little bit dishonor.
they have no sense of honor.
the CD's title is 'LIVE'. but they use pre-recorded songs on LIVE CD. can you believe?
I understand she uses pre-recording songs for LIVE.
if she uses pre-recorded songs on LIVE, I DO NOT CARE about it.
in fact, i don't like pre-recording but seriously i don't care.
but releasing LIVE cd is absolutely ridiculous. and they are selling the CDs.
i feel uncomfortable. she did already before though. (PCDL CD.)
i think she will have to never release live cd if she uses pre-recorded songs for concert. or she has to exclude the pre-recorded songs.
also i think she is to blame for that. i'm 14 years fan of ayu. i love her from 1999. but if she goes wrong way, i will blame her because i'm a fan of her. i can't stand that she loose her own pride in these days... choosing these tracks to include is disappointing decision i think..

[hidekirby]

I noticed something I don't understand with the HEAVEN perf.
You can hear a "glitch" when she sings "Koraekirezu namida aFUreta". And I always noticed this issue with the CD version! She must pronounce "afureta" in a funny way or there is something weird here.

The prerecorded tracks is not a real issue IMO. She proves she is working on polishing her voice and there is a result. It's not like a quarter of the live was "fake". We are not back to the PCDL era. I just hope the tendency to use prerecorded vocals is not back.

[title156]

^^ Hey, this LIVE ALBUM is 100% live...

lol just kidding
Releasing the LIVE CD is not only about the vocal is also the arrangement. Many artists released LIVE CD contained lip-synced tracks to fulfill the albums and that will persuade casual listeners to buy them. Can you imagine an A BEST LIVE album without 'poker face'? And do not try to find reasons why they're not singing that songs LIVE, it's the artists personal reasons.

So... enjoy the show!!

[pimenta]

Originally Posted by js_surrealism

The point is, whether you like it or not, the audio quality on this album is -objectively- bad. It's great that you enjoyed your purchase but to expect people to shell out 3000~4000 yen on something that sounds like a fan recording (yes I don't mince my words, and you would agree with me if you've heard any other live album; feel free to call me overdramatic) is ridiculous.

Amazes me that you assume I didn't otherwise I should agree with you. I love live albums, I do listen to many of those, and I still don't agree with you

We get it, you don't like this release, you made yourself very clear about it, why can't you just ignore it then? You're way too concerned in express how she should never have released it when a lot of people actually enjoyed this release. If you don't like it, just ignore it, it's just a live CD and people who're buying it are just the ones who're interested in it, it was never supposed to have good sales, it's not big deal LOL

Originally Posted by !Lawi!

^
Vocally speaking, her last perfect concert was probably the CDL HLS, it was perfect from the first song to the end of the encore !

haha I think her vocals were pretty bad in many parts of that CDL (judging by the TV ver.). I guess we all have different opinions about her vocals.

For me, it's ok if she forces her vocals in some songs as long as she can keep the tone (like Who..., although it sounds completely forced, she did manage to keep the tone). My problem is when she forces and fails to keep the tone because of that

[ayumimylove]

For me the last concert where she sang really well was CDL 2012 2013 Wake me up, I think that was a REALLY good concert vocally speaking, even in tv version.

[ayu2001]

thank you title156.
i have question title156..
hmm..why some people don't try to believe poker face and Fly high are pre-recorded songs on this posting at least?
and some people look upset when i said about the live cd has some pre-recorded songs. why?
i just said it has pre-recorded songs at first. i didn't say any my opinion for including pre-recorded songs.
and then why did they do?
i enjoyed your video though. thank you

[Andrenekoi]

Originally Posted by js_surrealism

The point is, whether you like it or not, the audio quality on this album is -objectively- bad. It's great that you enjoyed your purchase but to expect people to shell out 3000~4000 yen on something that sounds like a fan recording (yes I don't mince my words, and you would agree with me if you've heard any other live album; feel free to call me overdramatic) is ridiculous. Fans put up with the obvious rip off that was "Love, again" because the music was actually good and I am afraid I cannot say the same for this release when all I hear is what sounds like her singing to a pre-recorded track (seriously, that "M" performance, the backing track was disgraceful).

By "new" material I wasn't referring to brand new songs per se. Even some of her less popular hits would have been a refreshing change. At the very least, maybe new arrangements of her hits. I just refuse to be happy with this release when she has been capable of much better e.g. in PCDL, PoM, even the RnRC tour.

Sweety, "live albums" are the bread and butter of brazillian pop music. They are the best selling albums in the career of some of our biggest performers and live recording cuts constantly become huge radio hits. The "live album" thing is SO big over here some (dull) artists release fake live albums with pre-recorded audience cheering. Pimenta probably heard 10x more live albums than you just by living on the country she lives.

[pimenta]

^ So true, it's impossible that someone who lives in Brazil isn't used to live albums, they're more popular than studio albums here

[kinix]

Originally Posted by ayu2001

soorry.... but i meant she used one pre-recording song during whole being held concert (April~July) / i can say on CD, the poker face and Fly high were from last date live ver. she said 'fi-na-ru' or 'ikujae yoyogi' or 'minnade' or 'ikanji' 'ikuyo' when she sings Fly high on CD ver. you can't hear these words on fan rip ver. (if poker face and Fly high are not pre-recording songs the possibility still remains that they used other day's live ver for release. but i can assure they are pre-recording songs)

Yes, I know what you meant and that's still my point. As what Chris85 had pointed out was the same pre-recorded track was used throughout the tour. But in this case where you've pointed out yourself was that the recording was different on the final show. Thus, there's no guarantee that all shows were used with pre-recorded track.
(Do we have fan recordings from the last live? I think we only have recordings from the earlier dates)

Originally Posted by ayu2001

yes, you're right. they used autotunes a lot.
anyway, do you know PCDL has a lot of pre-recorded songs?
medley (especially ANGEL'S SONG-I have video if you want i will give you.).. SCAR.. Over... the TV version of PCDL on 12.31 proves the truth. she missed words but sound is streaming. (example. when she sings 'Over', the part 'it's over' in middle, she put down the microphone but the sound is streaming. but on DVD ver. she doesn't put down the microphone and she sang that part. it's scary thing though!! they mixed 2008.12.30 and 2008.12.31 for release. And they(Maybe it was WOWOW TV) broadcasted the same live on another day. they changed that scene.)
and she released PCDL CD for NEXT LEVEL.
i'm sure you knew these facts.
as you know she has been using pre-recorded songs for a long time.
maybe she used pre-recorded songs on A BEST LIVE too.
but i don't care about it.
and did you listen what i linked files? if you did, you could find what i said. it's almost same. i think anyone can't deny the fact.

in my case. i like this LIVE CD. i enjoyed this CD. still love her live.
but they advertise 'it's live CD'. it's little bit dishonor.
they have no sense of honor.
the CD's title is 'LIVE'. but they use pre-recorded songs on LIVE CD. can you believe?
I understand she uses pre-recording songs for LIVE.
if she uses pre-recorded songs on LIVE, I DO NOT CARE about it.
in fact, i don't like pre-recording but seriously i don't care.
but releasing LIVE cd is absolutely ridiculous. and they are selling the CDs.
i feel uncomfortable. she did already before though. (PCDL CD.)
i think she will have to never release live cd if she uses pre-recorded songs for concert. or she has to exclude the pre-recorded songs.
also i think she is to blame for that. i'm 14 years fan of ayu. i love her from 1999. but if she goes wrong way, i will blame her because i'm a fan of her. i can't stand that she loose her own pride in these days... choosing these tracks to include is disappointing decision i think..

Just wana touch a bit only the PCDL. I hope everyone remembers that she was injured before the live show and had little time to do rehearsal and even at the point before the concert, she was dealing with pain and this CDL consist of olders song which she didn't sang live before. So I don't blame her for the use of prerecording and lip-syncing during this show (for some tracks).

Originally Posted by ayu2001

thank you title156.
i have question title156..
hmm..why some people don't try to believe poker face and Fly high are pre-recorded songs on this posting at least?
and some people look upset when i said about the live cd has some pre-recorded songs. why?
i just said it has pre-recorded songs at first. i didn't say any my opinion for including pre-recorded songs.
and then why did they do?
i enjoyed your video though. thank you

Back to the pre-recorded tracks again, since she has already proven that it wasn't always pre-recorded tracks with the last show of the tour, she might not have use pre-recoreded tracks throughout the tour which maybe is why there is 2 views on this. So instead of asking people to accept that she used pre-recordings, have you ever asked yourself if you would accept that she didn't do it for the whole tour? (unless of course, that you've been to all her tours and had recorded and compared all the live recordings)
I don't know who you're talking about being upset regarding this but I feel that it's a little bit difficult to see who is upset by just looking at the words. The person might just be debating on the topic and not really upset about it (like in my case. It's more of sharing my view. I'm not really upset about pre-recordings. I'm upset about the quality of the recording instead...)

[RealLight]

Originally Posted by pimenta

^ So true, it's impossible that someone who lives in Brazil isn't used to live albums, they're more popular than studio albums here

I ain't. :v

[js_surrealism]

Originally Posted by pimenta

We get it, you don't like this release, you made yourself very clear about it, why can't you just ignore it then? You're way too concerned in express how she should never have released it when a lot of people actually enjoyed this release. If you don't like it, just ignore it, it's just a live CD and people who're buying it are just the ones who're interested in it, it was never supposed to have good sales, it's not big deal LOL


haha I think her vocals were pretty bad in many parts of that CDL (judging by the TV ver.). I guess we all have different opinions about her vocals.

For me, it's ok if she forces her vocals in some songs as long as she can keep the tone (like Who..., although it sounds completely forced, she did manage to keep the tone). My problem is when she forces and fails to keep the tone because of that

I can't ignore it because I am a fan who has a certain expectation of what my favourite artist does. Sorry then for having an opinion on something she does that is different from yours (though I am not sure why I am apologising, since one would assume that a discussion forum by virtue of it being a FORUM would yield different kinds of opinions).

I've never given 2 hoots about sales like some of the sales number nazis we have over here. I am just want my favourite artist to release good material which this live album, frankly speaking, isn't. All I did was to express that but it seems like you're the one who is "way too concerned" that I just think it sucks.

It's wonderful that you have listened to so many live albums; I will avoid the obvious issue of taste here because that is just too easy.

At any rate I am done with this discussion since obviously it is going nowhere. God forbid we ever have differing opinions on a discussion forum.