Disappointing 10th anniversary.

[emi♡]

Originally Posted by panda87

we're like on page 21. and i'm not childish. i think it's childish to just to never know when to close a discussion and don't know where to find the conclusion or settle with a compromise after loooooooooong posts and repeated hypothesis' and theories and so on and on and on and on... and... i think everything altogether: ayu's reaching the 3-0, that age most celebs get nervous of, but she's giving what she can in her position, in her state, in her pumps.

and i wasn't in a bad mood.

no you're right...however...so many new people, who...don't seem to be getting it. but anyway, it is a mix of all things. And, Ayu can always be expected to handle a situation, not only very well, but in style, as you pointed out with style. She'll come around.

and, yeah, personal assumptions about members = always a disaster, especially when you don't know anything about them.

[Lumix]

^ Well, you can't expect almost 17000 members to know where to close a discussion. People are here to discuss whatever they want, and I thought your post was pretty unnecessary.

[Jeremy911]

Ayu is going to do what ayu wants to do. If you don't like go listen to someone else. Ofcourse most of you will just *****, and whine, and buy her releases anyway.

[qwerty]

Technically, isn't her tenth anniversary year April 2008-April 2009? So does she not have 8 more months to pacify some of her fans?

[truehappiness]

Originally Posted by qwerty

Technically, isn't her tenth anniversary year April 2008-April 2009? So does she not have 8 more months to pacify some of her fans?

She still has time, and she seems like she'll deliver in the time that she does have.

However, as for the first half or so of the anniversary.. not really loving it.

[I think Ayu sorta counts her anniversary as having started when 2008 started, which is why she sorta themed CDL after the anniversary and so on.. but.. eh. It's possible that she may continue it after December 2008..]

ALSO: It will be fun if we get to see her release her 10th original album during her 10th anniversary year.. [Memorial address counts as a mini-album to like, everyone but a few people.]

[Aga-chan]

I didn't read through all the pages and what I'll write was probably written a bazillion times already, but I have to agree that the 10th Aniversary is somewhat disappointing. I can cope with the lack of a summer single or the lack of TV and magazine appearances, but what I can't understand is the release of "A (UN)COMPLETE". That's probably one of the dumbest and cleverest moves from avex so far. When I first read about it I thought "What a bad rumour". Wished it would have been just a rumour... If it wasn't for the unreleased covers, the DVD content and other possible extras: Who would buy that thing? We have 3(4) BESTs already! That thing is called "A COMPLETE", but isn't even complete. And what makes me upset is that for some people it might put ayu into a bad light. Not like "avex releases", but "ayu releases". The money that went into that thing could have been invested so much better. For a re-mastered "A Song for XX" or for the production of a new studio album or even for a new pair of shoes for ayu...

[GRACE]

^...It's STILL a record contract... The album may have been horrid, but it was still an album >.>...

She should do another mini-album. Memorial address came out during her fifth anniversary year right? So I see it makes sense that the 10th would have one as well.

[truehappiness]

Originally Posted by GRACE

^...It's STILL a record contract... The album may have been horrid, but it was still an album >.>...

Yes, and it totally means that Ayu was totally into music at the time with such a release! Obviously, this record contract wasn't just an attempt to put an idol into the world of music... obviously.

I don't see the need to have to explain everything with "But it's still a...".. it's still WRONG. Same goes for the TW... counting as a single. It's not true and never will be.

[Melrose]

Originally Posted by truehappiness

Yes, and it totally means that Ayu was totally into music at the time with such a release! Obviously, this record contract wasn't just an attempt to put an idol into the world of music... obviously.

I don't see the need to have to explain everything with "But it's still a...".. it's still WRONG. Same goes for the TW... counting as a single. It's not true and never will be.

I agree with GRACE.

Together When... was a single. NOTHING FROM NOTHING was an album. Fact. (Though I personally wouldn't call NFN an album, but more a mini-album, but still.)

Together When... wasn't sold through physical copies, so it doesn't count for her single spree (I don't even know if it reached #1, which I always follow).

NOTHING FROM NOTHING wasn't from avex trax etc., thus it doesn't count for her #1 single thing.

I'd also hardly call NOTHING FROM NOTHING a production of love for music. It sounds more like it was recorded in a karaoke bar when everyone was drunk.

[GRACE]

Originally Posted by Melrose

I agree with GRACE.

Together When... was a single. NOTHING FROM NOTHING was an album. Fact. (Though I personally wouldn't call NFN an album, but more a mini-album, but still.)

Together When... wasn't sold through physical copies, so it doesn't count for her single spree (I don't even know if it reached #1, which I always follow).

NOTHING FROM NOTHING wasn't from avex trax etc., thus it doesn't count for her #1 single thing.

I'd also hardly call NOTHING FROM NOTHING a production of love for music. It sounds more like it was recorded in a karaoke bar when everyone was drunk.

Exactly, just because it's not something she wanted, not something that's good or not something that's physical doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It still happened, it's still there, it's still counted for something.

With A COMPLETE, and the new single on the horizon, it's not really a disappoinment anymore, plus, when we finally get to see AT08, it'll all feel better =D

[♥ you!]

Originally Posted by Melrose

I agree with GRACE.

Together When... was a single. NOTHING FROM NOTHING was an album. Fact. (Though I personally wouldn't call NFN an album, but more a mini-album, but still.)

Together When... wasn't sold through physical copies, so it doesn't count for her single spree (I don't even know if it reached #1, which I always follow).

NOTHING FROM NOTHING wasn't from avex trax etc., thus it doesn't count for her #1 single thing.

I'd also hardly call NOTHING FROM NOTHING a production of love for music. It sounds more like it was recorded in a karaoke bar when everyone was drunk.

NOTHING FROM NOTHING was such a desperate attempt to cash off the recent success of EAST END x YURI lol. Poor Ayu.

[GRACE]

^I never said that. I said that it still counts as an album and a record contract, I never said that she liked it, or that she wanted to do it. All I'm saying is, we can't pretend it didn't exist because it did exist....

[truehappiness]

Originally Posted by GRACE

^I never said that. I said that it still counts as an album and a record contract, I never said that she liked it, or that she wanted to do it. All I'm saying is, we can't pretend it didn't exist because it did exist....

I never said that it didn't exist. Basically I was saying that a lot of artists WANTED to become artists and did things in order to do so [they performed in contests, went to music school, learned how to play instruments and wrote their own songs..] That album basically doesn't count for diddly if you think about that. That was the argument and it somehow got twisted into: "Oh, Ayu had a CD when she was 17 shouldn't she be counted with them too?"

And also, Ayu was born on October 2nd, 1978.. so.. unless for some reason you guys think she was born in 1980.. yeah.

[ayumisrael]

LOL I could pay ayu 50$ for making an album and it will be same as NOTHING FROM NOTHING, that's pretty much what columbia records did with her, they invested in her 0% and didn't even promote her. Just let her record an amature hip-hop mini album album that no japanese knows

truehappiness - She was 15-16. (it was 1995 or 1996).

She was discovered for her skills just 2 years afterwards anyway by max and oh he did his best choice ever bringing her to avex
ayu's the only one that was been discovered from the big divas that's what I think truehappiness meant, she didn't go to any audition or have any musical background (or singer in her family) or anything like that.

I'm still waiting for a new single announcement!

[ayumisrael]

Right I forgot that there was a gap of 2 years between the discovering and her debut lol

[GRACE]

True, I agree that it wasn't a really an attempt that Ayu was into and all, but it still counts for something, it even charted (INCREDIBLY horribly, but it DID chart).

LOL Just imagined of an anniversary version of NFN XD!

[criminal]

Could someone please back the claim up that the two NOTHING FROM NOTHINGs charted? I've seen articles at Wikipedia and the like, but they are without any sources.

[emi♡]

Originally Posted by GRACE

True, I agree that it wasn't a really an attempt that Ayu was into and all, but it still counts for something, it even charted (INCREDIBLY horribly, but it DID chart).

LOL Just imagined of an anniversary version of NFN XD!

but...her short-lived contract with Columbia has nothing to do with true's point comparing Ayu and the other artists.

Ayu still is considered to have no background in music, unlike many other artists.

[panda87]

i think stating that fact that this discussion in particular is dragging on is just as necessary as those who found it necessary to state it wasn't. like i ever ask for and want any drama--it's that last thing i want when i come here (AHS forum) as i come here to relax and share thoughts about Ayu and others in the off-topic forums.

it seems we're mostly in a panic here with all these explanations and complaints about Ayu and its obvious that we are. and now we're talking about her previous releases before PokerFace? my gawd.
if we do love Ayu, appreciate what she has done already for her anniversary and bear with her. plus, let her chose for herself. this is HER accomplishment and special personal occasion anyways. she does what she wants. all she probably wanted to do was have a cup of champaign, listen to all her music for a day and reflect. *shrugs* so what? go suck your thumb and cry in your pillow if that bugs you.

[SolarAngel]

Originally Posted by panda87

i think stating that fact that this discussion in particular is dragging on is just as necessary as those who found it necessary to state it wasn't. like i ever ask for and want any drama--it's that last thing i want when i come here (AHS forum) as i come here to relax and share thoughts about Ayu and others in the off-topic forums.

it seems we're mostly in a panic here with all these explanations and complaints about Ayu and its obvious that we are. and now we're talking about her previous releases before PokerFace? my gawd.
if we do love Ayu, appreciate what she has done already for her anniversary and bear with her. plus, let her chose for herself. this is HER accomplishment and special personal occasion anyways. she does what she wants. all she probably wanted to do was have a cup of champaign, listen to all her music for a day and reflect. *shrugs* so what? go suck your thumb and cry in your pillow if that bugs you.

My goodness, nobody shackled you onto this thread. If you feel the need to be an ayu avenger, there's no need to be so rude about it. "If we do love ayu... and reflect" would have been enough. We get the point but we don't have to accept it.

There's a good point being brought up about how technically, her 10th anniversary is from 4/8/2008-3/8/2009. In which case, she started with a bang with MW, a fantastic japan tour, a fantastic asia tour in the future, a 10th anniversary compilation and more to come! That's a whole new way looking at it for me. Anyway, i don't think many japanese artistes do TONS of stuff for their special anniversaries. Mostly just compilations. Perhaps because it's ayu, more's expected but in context, it's actually quite fine.