An amateur way to find out if ayu lip-syncs

[waterballoon]

I think it has already been pretty obvious right now that Ayu is not one who does the standard kind of lip-synching. If there's anything, she would use strong backing vocals to cover up for whatever problems she might encounter (while doing choreography etc). I mean if I were Ayu, I would find it so funny, hilarious and annoying and hypocritical that if I'm lip-synching; my back up singers are still singing their harmonies and chords...

Of course, before encountering this incident, I've always thought that lip-synching just means mouthing to the CD recording, and not singing at all. But at least now I know that "lip-synching" can also refer to singing to a loud backing track etc.

Basically, it's just hypocritical to be breathing heavily, sounding horribly out of tune in a recorded, ready-to-be lip-synched track, and getting your chorus singers to sing while you are actually just lip-synch. Don't give me all that crap about how this business is always "fake" and 'superficial'. I've heard of singers who lip-synch, and they certainly don't do what Ayu has done. They don't even show signs of breathing, and they sound PERFECT, since it's a lip-synch.

[alternarist]

Originally Posted by Ayusan

Same here, very funny thread, since some unprofessional persons CAN'T sing as her then she must lip synch lol have you more example like this, it makes my day ?! Ne don't scare me, I hope you didn't sing with your throat

Have you short memories too ? She does hard training, she is a pro, not you if right ?! She knows how to use her voice, if not better to stop, what a shame for a singer.

I personally never got prob in my dance class while dancing hard and counting the times for my students since I'm used to and I know how to use my breathing and all. And yes, I have no prob to sing and dance either. You know how to use your breathing and body or you don't.

What is even more funny is that I heard a late Marionette perf, ears bleeding, completely ugly for my ears, the TV has been heavily edited !!! Maybe not the same perf *shrug* but while using a lip synch, use something good, my ears will be very happy u_u....

I don't say she doesn't use lip synch, she surely does often but to base your decision because YOU, you can't sing it's funny and ridiculous to death. If you can't dance, are you saying that others use a trick because you, you can't do it ? If you can't sew, knit ..... same ? If you run slower than someone else, does that person used doping ? o-O

And the : you didn't jerk as much than me .... no comment, really !

Base your facts on something we can trust, I don't see the point to claim I can't do it so she can't do it either lol she maybe used lip synch or no ... I don't care, it was far to be a perfect perf anyway, then ... actually it fly over my head, who do not use lip synch in live ? And it's not like if she only use lip synch, where is the big deal, won't stop me to sleep anyway.

you can think whatever u want. as i said. it's an amateur method.

oh nvm, u dont understand. i suggest u stop replying to this thread. and i suggest u heed my advice.

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by Ayusan

Have you short memories too ? She does hard training, she is a pro, not you if right ?! She knows how to use her voice, if not better to stop, what a shame for a singer.

lol. You don't have to be a professional singer or dancer to know because it is basic physics of the human body. Take Namie, BoA, Koda - all of which are much better at dancing and singing at the same time and give them the Marionette choreography. I'm sure that none of them could do it without having those jerky movements effecting their voice.

Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker

The fact you have a different opinion, and you are frustrated that other people have other opinions different from yours doesn't mean you are right and that they have their heads stuck in the sand.

It's not that people have a different opinion than me, that's fine. It's that this subject should no longer be a matter of opinion - the evidence is extremely blatant to anyone that is willing to actually look with objective eyes. Even when actual proof is posted of Ayumi lip syncing - I'm talking video and audio evidence, people still post stuff like "Ayumi-sama would never lip sync."

Originally Posted by ImpactBreaker

A person who has their head stuck in the sand are those who only think the only reason why would someone be able to dance and sing at the same time would be "lip-synching". Not necessarily it will be that.

When did I ever say that? This is about the type of movement that she is doing, not whether she can in general dance and sing at the same time. There are several artists that can dance and sing well at the same time, but as I just pointed out, none of them would be able to have their voice come out smoothly during Marrionette - but of course there is no way to absolutely prove that other than to use basic common sense.

[Ayumi_lover]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

lol. You don't have to be a professional singer or dancer to know because it is basic physics of the human body.

Pretty nice mistake as for me. You don't have to be professional swimmer to know that it's just impossible to swim so fast.
Well, in fact singing as swimming when you doing it professionaly for many years making your lungs much bigger than other people's and the same with voice - they're studying to control it and breathing helps it.

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by Ayumi_lover

Pretty nice mistake. You don't have to be professional swimmer to know that it's just impossible to swim so fast.
Well, in fact singing as swimming when you doing it professionaly for many years making your lungs much bigger than other people's and the same with voice - they're studying to control it and breathing helps it.

:sigh this has nothing to do with lung capacity. No matter who you are if you jerk your chest and neck violently while singing - IT WILL EFFECT YOUR VOICE. I just don't see how anyone can believe after watching 10 years of tv performances (which are all 100% live) where she does not move nearly as much in Marrionette, her voice is no where close to stable much of the time. Yet in Marrionette she gyrates all over the place and her voice is completely smooth and some people have no trouble believing that it's live. Never mind the fact that ever performance clip we have of it sounds exactly the same with the only difference being audio quality.

[Ayumi_lover]

&the movement in marionete isn't so much hard and wild as you saying them to be lol

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by Ayumi_lover

&the movement in marionete isn't so much hard and wild as you saying them to be lol

For singing, yes it certainly is.

[ImpactBreaker]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

When did I ever say that? This is about the type of movement that she is doing, not whether she can in general dance and sing at the same time. There are several artists that can dance and sing well at the same time, but as I just pointed out, none of them would be able to have their voice come out smoothly during Marrionette - but of course there is no way to absolutely prove that other than to use basic common sense.

I guess there might be a little misunderstanding then. When I first said that about dancing and singing, I was replying to rusuke, because I thought he was asking a generic question, but I was not referring to the marionette performance. Actually, as I've posted in my previous posts in this thread, I still haven't seem this paticular marionette performance you guys are talking about, so I can't give an opinion on it, and I wouldn't be insane to give my opinion on something I haven't even watched. I was just trying to justify that there's a reason why ayu could dance and sing to some songs without getting her voice flawed. Depending on the dance and song it is possible, specially because I believe ayu is fit. The only clip I've seem of marionette so far was the taiwanese clip alternarist posted there of ayu doing moves simillar to those in the marionette PV. I tried the ones that play in that clip at home while singing and my voice came out perfectly, with no flaws, but then I assume the other ayu did the moves were actually more complex and made it impossible, I dunno..I'd have to watch it, but I don't feel like downloading a whole concert just for that.

[SunshineSlayer]

^aaah I see. I was under the assumption that you had seen the performance.

[alternarist]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

lol. You don't have to be a professional singer or dancer to know because it is basic physics of the human body. Take Namie, BoA, Koda - all of which are much better at dancing and singing at the same time and give them the Marionette choreography. I'm sure that none of them could do it without having those jerky movements effecting their voice

I totally agree with u. Although it may be a ridiculous way to prove tat ayu lip-synched, at least i did provided my reasons.

All those who said that "ayu is a professional singer, hence she will not lip-synched" are not presenting well supported evidence.

Originally Posted by Ayumi_lover

Well, in fact singing as swimming when you doing it professionaly for many years making your lungs much bigger than other people's and the same with voice - they're studying to control it and breathing helps it.

This is your assumption number 1. You cannot generalise all activities and treat them the same way. If i have been walking for many years, does that make me walk faster as i get older? No. In fact, its the direct opposite.

Your reasoning doesnt holds through.

Originally Posted by Ayumi_lover

&the movement in marionete isn't so much hard and wild as you saying them to be lol

This is your assumption number 2. You are not ayu. You are not there doing what ayu is doing. I dont think you have done my test. So i suggest you stop replying with ur assumptions.

[Ayumi_lover]

^i did your test, and i sung it the same way awful as i sung it without any movements

and your example with walking isn't right, because singing is a skill that can be improved, and walking also but you wouldn't walk slower because of geting older, you know there are some grannys that can go much faster than youy, it all depends on your style of life

[alternarist]

Originally Posted by Ayumi_lover

and your example with walking isn't right, because singing is a skill that can be improved, and walking also but you wouldn't walk slower because of geting older, you know there are some grannys that can go much faster than youy, it all depends on your style of life

Alright noted that u feel that ayu doesnt lip-sync.

Next comment please.

[noidea]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

For singing, yes it certainly is.

Nope, im neither singing nor dancing professionally, but i was able to do it without a big difference in my voice(recorded it once with and once without movements and it was almost the same), her dances are made to fit her songs, also, someone said she started singing for real after she "breaks free" ---total ********, it sounds way better after she "breaks free" than before, because she makes much more natural movements and why would you lipsynch if yo0u sound better live?

and im no person saying ayu doesnt lipsynch, just read the evolution from AT07 and CDL0708 the same? thread, i just say shes not synching marionette AT08 TV-version

and you didnt explain an amateur way, you explained an useless way, because you were thinking: if i cant do it, nobody can!

@ ImpactBreaker
She did do almost the same movements she did in the pv, nothing more complex, id rather say its easier in some parts

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by noidea

Nope, im neither singing nor dancing professionally, but i was able to do it without a big difference in my voice(recorded it once with and once without movements and it was almost the same)

Then you are some kind of super-human. Also, there are other reasons for why Marrionette is lip synced other than this, but they have been posted about 100 times by now.

[chocopockymaster]

Originally Posted by noidea

also, someone said she started singing for real after she "breaks free" ---total ********, it sounds way better after she "breaks free" than before, because she makes much more natural movements and why would you lipsynch if yo0u sound better live?

You have no right to call my opinion "total ********". I was AT TWO the concerts, I was able to see/hear what it was really like without ANY of avex's post-concert editing and that is what I heard.

For the last freaking time: she lipsynchs with the jerky movements because it is physically impossible to sing with the way she's moving. All of you who've "done the test" and think it's possible to sing normally while jerking around like that are not doing it properly. It's not possible.

[SunshineSlayer]

Originally Posted by chocopockymaster

You have no right to call my opinion "total ********". I was AT TWO the concerts, I was able to see/hear what it was really like without ANY of avex's post-concert editing and that is what I heard.

For the last freaking time: she lipsynchs with the jerky movements because it is physically impossible to sing with the way she's moving. All of you who've "done the test" and think it's possible to sing normally while jerking around like that are not doing it properly. It's not possible.

Thank you. And it's odd that we were at the same concert and both went to the Hana Yori Dango movie but never met, haha.

[chocopockymaster]

Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

Thank you. And it's odd that we were at the same concert and both went to the Hana Yori Dango movie but never met, haha.

I know, right? What were the odds of us not running into each other? >__>

[Ayumi_lover]

Originally Posted by chocopockymaster

For the last freaking time: she lipsynchs with the jerky movements because it is physically impossible to sing with the way she's moving. All of you who've "done the test" and think it's possible to sing normally while jerking around like that are not doing it properly. It's not possible.

uhm, yeah. Thank you for revealing.

[alternarist]

Originally Posted by chocopockymaster

For the last freaking time: she lipsynchs with the jerky movements because it is physically impossible to sing with the way she's moving. All of you who've "done the test" and think it's possible to sing normally while jerking around like that are not doing it properly. It's not possible.

For this, I LOVE YOU.

i just hate it when pple try to convince me that ayu doesnt lip sync without any form of evidence.

Worse still, by telling me ayu doesnt lip sync as she is a good singer. -______-

[noidea]

Originally Posted by chocopockymaster

You have no right to call my opinion "total ********". I was AT TWO the concerts, I was able to see/hear what it was really like without ANY of avex's post-concert editing and that is what I heard.

For the last freaking time: she lipsynchs with the jerky movements because it is physically impossible to sing with the way she's moving. All of you who've "done the test" and think it's possible to sing normally while jerking around like that are not doing it properly. It's not possible.

She forgot her marionettelyrics on at least one concert(Yoyogi, April 5th, read it in some review in this forum,it also said her voice was "wavery" in it), also, I neither trust your ears, nor your memory, though I normally wouldn't trust this review,too , I see no point in lying that she forgot her lyrics and how can you forget your lyrics and sound bad on playback?

@ alternarist
i hate it when people try to convince me that ayu lipsynch without good evidence, for me, not being able to sing while doing that dance and ONE person saying he/she has such a good brain that he/she can remember every notes lenght and exact pitch and can compare them with just listening to both once in a loud hall just arent good evidence
and for you ayu forgettin her lyrics in one performance and being off isnt evidence?