Japanese Media Addresses Ayu's Voice - Page 3

behwatch · #1 18th January 2010, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Punks

A studio recording is nothing like a live concert. Of course she sounds much better in studio recordings, but it's still kind of apparent that she has trouble even in studio recordings.

And um... I don't think we've even heard her live since January 12th, so that has NOTHING to do with her voice being bad since t2m/decision was released. @_@

sorry i think u got my point wrong... my point is voice always change once stress comes on... and then common illness comes along... i am not saying the flu cause the bad voice lolz

lets just ignore the bashers lolz no point listening to them... we can just enjoy Ayu's songs ourselves

kirei_ayumi · #2 18th January 2010, 03:15 AM

well, looks like ayu has to start voice lessons and practice on her vibrato

Max_ZZZ · #3 18th January 2010, 03:16 AM

well, i agree somewhat. it's a bit of a complicated issue though isn't it?
ayu said while recording the 10th anniversaries of TO BE and LOVE ~destiny~ that she WAS AWARE of her voice changing, and that she would try and improve blahb lah or whatever, and then at least we knew she knew her voice was like that?
second, honestly at least her recorded songs don't sound like her live, not to be rude. if the who anniversary had that ugly vibrato, NEVER would i listen to it.

but now, they are hating for the wrong reasons. OK YA, her voice changed, but the issue isn't why she can't sing her old hits well. if her voice changed then duh LOL no **** her voice won't match it like it used to. the ACTUAL issue is why her voice has become the way it is, and it is a bit nice that people are acknowledging it? ehhh i guess

but WHY do japanese people insist on being so god dam critical. like come on CHILLL, if i was ayu i would read this, get sad, then think it's unfair.

all in all, i think her voice thing is an issue live now, especially since it seems to be especially bad live now. back in 2006, it was still enjoyable, but sometimes listening to her is a bit ridiculous. but songs like dearest and voyage are being BUTCHERED and to be honest, if ayu were to comment i would love to hear her take on why her voice is like this

LOOOL sorry SO MUCH writing but YA i've always wanted to hear actual reports on her voice because sometimes i think "honestly can they NOT hear the difference??" LOL so yaaa that's my opinion '-___-

maikaru · #4 18th January 2010, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Max_ZZZ

well, i agree somewhat. it's a bit of a complicated issue though isn't it?
ayu said while recording the 10th anniversaries of TO BE and LOVE ~destiny~ that she WAS AWARE of her voice changing, and that she would try and improve blahb lah or whatever, and then at least we knew she knew her voice was like that?
second, honestly at least her recorded songs don't sound like her live, not to be rude. if the who anniversary had that ugly vibrato, NEVER would i listen to it.

but now, they are hating for the wrong reasons. OK YA, her voice changed, but the issue isn't why she can't sing her old hits well. if her voice changed then duh LOL no **** her voice won't match it like it used to. the ACTUAL issue is why her voice has become the way it is, and it is a bit nice that people are acknowledging it? ehhh i guess

but WHY do japanese people insist on being so god dam critical. like come on CHILLL, if i was ayu i would read this, get sad, then think it's unfair.

all in all, i think her voice thing is an issue live now, especially since it seems to be especially bad live now. back in 2006, it was still enjoyable, but sometimes listening to her is a bit ridiculous. but songs like dearest and voyage are being BUTCHERED and to be honest, if ayu were to comment i would love to hear her take on why her voice is like this

LOOOL sorry SO MUCH writing but YA i've always wanted to hear actual reports on her voice because sometimes i think "honestly can they NOT hear the difference??" LOL so yaaa that's my opinion '-___-

She knows about her voice for sure. She talked about it in recent Magazines, and said she is very regrettable about the way she passed her time when not singing in the past, and she is frustrated when her voice doesn't work the way it should work...

But I'm still worried that maybe she won't do anything about it. When I watched CDL... I couldn't stand any longer... I don't wanna ever listen to Pride, Because of You, and Inspire like that again... if she can't sing right on the next tour... really, what's the point???

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

This...
She was never an amazing singer to begin with... She is having problems with her deafness what makes her vocal technique that was never great suffer a lot more than usual...

I disagree very much... she sang amazing during 2002 (except Arena Tour) to 2006, and then it just started fading, but with some great vocals for A BEST 2 promotions, and then it got so bad.

If it was a deaf problem, she would just be off pitch a lot... but the QUALITY of the voice is much different, much deeper and hoarse... it's not good right now!

Andrenekoi · #5 18th January 2010, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by maikaru

I disagree very much... she sang amazing during 2002 (except Arena Tour) to 2006, and then it just started fading, but with some great vocals for A BEST 2 promotions, and then it got so bad.

If it was a deaf problem, she would just be off pitch a lot... but the QUALITY of the voice is much different, much deeper and hoarse... it's not good right now!

Sorry, but i found her voice amazing from 2002 to 2006 I beg the right to disagree... on TV she only sounded good (and "good" doesn't mean "amazing") from 2005 to abest 2 promotion IMO, having some impressive performances here and there... After she discovery her deafness, her vocal quality really got worst, but it getting better again since she started promoting Days... it still is far from perfection, but she will not recover her vocals from day to night, or in 3 months, or in 1 or 2 years of hiatus having vocal training...

maikaru · #6 18th January 2010, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

Sorry, but i found her voice amazing from 2002 to 2006 I beg the right to disagree... on TV she only sounded good (and "good" doesn't mean "amazing") from 2005 to abest 2 promotion IMO, having some impressive performances here and there... After she discovery her deafness, her vocal quality really got worst, but it getting better again since she started promoting Days... it still is far from perfection, but she will not recover her vocals from day to night, or in 3 months, or in 1 or 2 years of hiatus having vocal training...

Well that is your own opinion... about what sounds "good" and what sounds "amazing."
Maybe you forgot the Music Fair in 2003?? It was the best she has ever done...
Anyways, it's your opinion, so you can think it like that...

Anyways, I do agree she has gotta improve her vocals and rest for a few times... I am waiting for the day that she can sing fully again.. ._.

Bigtop · #7 18th January 2010, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

Sorry, but i found her voice amazing from 2002 to 2006 I beg the right to disagree...

Yeah, me too - I actually somewhat like the vocals of the Jewel era...

love in music · #8 18th January 2010, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by maikaru

I disagree very much... she sang amazing during 2002 (except Arena Tour) to 2006, and then it just started fading, but with some great vocals for A BEST 2 promotions, and then it got so bad.

If it was a deaf problem, she would just be off pitch a lot... but the QUALITY of the voice is much different, much deeper and hoarse... it's not good right now!

Maybe to begin with they meant something like this

SunshineSlayer · #9 18th January 2010, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by maikaru

I disagree very much... she sang amazing during 2002 (except Arena Tour) to 2006, and then it just started fading, but with some great vocals for A BEST 2 promotions, and then it got so bad.

If it was a deaf problem, she would just be off pitch a lot... but the QUALITY of the voice is much different, much deeper and hoarse... it's not good right now!

Yes, Maikaru and I are agreeing for sure on this.

She really did have some great vocals from 02-06. Even 98-01 I would put as better than now because at least those were much more controlled. The reason Japanese press is only bringing this up now? Because it has gotten so bad that it can't be ignored anymore.

I will never understand when people say that her voice was never good so its fine that her voice is bad now because I just don't think that is true at all. Take any non-sick performance from 02-early 06 and put it up against any performance from late 06-09 and I just don't see how someone could say in good faith that no matter what period her voice was always bad.

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Originally Posted by Andrenekoi

maikaru
Some songs on Music Fair were good, but this don't make her other lives from as 2003 good...
Even if she goes for vocal coaching, if she needs to re-learn how to use her voice and her ear all over again, it will take more than 1 or 2 years...
And even with voice post deafness, she has some very good (and some of her best) vocal performances:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8SL-...eature=related (Yeah, it's the dvd, but the tv version is as good)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyTeswlUbf8

http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/pdA7262pvRQ/

http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/4oqrQFt5xmM/

http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/6JcSzjoEc58/

Honestly, those performances are only "good" because we view them through the "current Ayu standard" filter. To any regular person viewing those, they are average at best. And most of the Japanese comments I've seen about Kohaku this year have thought that her voice was awful. And I love ya, but I think you are crazy for including any Sunrise performance.

hidekirby · #10 18th January 2010, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

She really did have some great vocals from 02-06. Even 98-01 I would put as better than now because at least those were much more controlled.
I will never understand when people say that her voice was never good so its fine that her voice is bad now because I just don't think that is true at all. Take any non-sick performance from 02-early 06 and put it up against any performance from late 06-09 and I just don't see how someone could say in good faith that no matter what period her voice was always bad.
Honestly, those performances are only "good" because we view them through the "current Ayu standard" filter.

I can't agree more... I don't understand people who think that she's not a good singer... Of course her vocals abilities are not perfect but she could put awesome performances in the past, her lives could be amazing. She was not an average pop star trying to sing, she could sing!

Andrenekoi · #11 18th January 2010, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SunshineSlayer

Honestly, those performances are only "good" because we view them through the "current Ayu standard" filter. To any regular person viewing those, they are average at best. And most of the Japanese comments I've seen about Kohaku this year have thought that her voice was awful. And I love ya, but I think you are crazy for including any Sunrise performance.

that's ok, being crazy is part of my charm

Really, the Together When performance was one of her best ones ever IMO, and the Rule one was almost flawless... The Sunrise one is far from being amazing, but she is singing in the way it's expected for the song

If japanese people love ayu Dearest performances from 2001 and find Rule at kouhaku bad, I will agree with Namie... They don't think hard ^^

Andrenekoi · #12 18th January 2010, 03:16 AM

Woah! More drama! AHS was really needing it! :B

Evolution7/4 · #13 18th January 2010, 03:17 AM

Where were these bashers in 2008 when her voice really was not her best. Excluding the evolution performance, her voice has been the best its been in the past few years.

Andrenekoi · #14 18th January 2010, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Evolution7/4

Where were these bashers in 2008 when her voice really was not her best. Excluding the evolution performance, her voice has been the best its been in the past few years.

This...
She was never an amazing singer to begin with... She is having problems with her deafness what makes her vocal technique that was never great suffer a lot more than usual...

NintendoHTF1242 · #15 18th January 2010, 03:18 AM

She just needs to take a 3 month break or something. Go to a rural place or go to an exquisite spa/hotel. Go take vocal lessons. She needs to do something about her voice.

love in music · #16 18th January 2010, 03:27 AM

I guess since I'm a fan I'm used to her voice and have low standards for her live vocals and cut her slack because of her ear problem, but to other people they just hear it and are like "wow this is so bad". But I watch her lives for the entertainment and her personality/stage presence more than her live voice because I never thought it was that great (she has her moments though) so it really doesn't bug me as much as it bugs other people. As long as she still has her stage presence and still makes great songs and never sings Dearest how she did at AT08 again I'll be satisfied.

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Originally Posted by Evolution7/4

Where were these bashers in 2008 when her voice really was not her best. Excluding the evolution performance, her voice has been the best its been in the past few years.

I agree with this. Her voice now is far from amazing and she has moments where she sounds completely terrible, but I notice an improvement from the last few years, especially CDL 07-08 and AT08.

freedreamer · #17 18th January 2010, 03:29 AM

Wow now this has gotten really big. I hope Ayu does listen and do something now. The fact that she makes news with this shows how much she is being looked upon even to this day. And with more improvement, I think she'll be again to capture attention again.

FIGHT AYU!

Bigtop · #18 18th January 2010, 03:33 AM

You know what, here's something in a nutshell:

GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, AYU AND AVEX!!! That should be a way to resolve issues here...

Polyrhythm · #19 18th January 2010, 03:47 AM

I can't honestly say I disagree...because it's true =[ I still think she has the ability though...she surprises with performances like A Song For XX @ a nation's 08 and 09.

Yumsushi · #20 18th January 2010, 03:58 AM

Strange, I didn't think she sounded that bad at Kouhaku, the performance identity linked was much worse and that was 2002. Either way, rest up Ayu!